A Little Vice (Trans Magical Girl fic)

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The more I learn about magical girls, the more I suspect they're just shonen battle manga with a girlier aesthetic. Though the first thing I'd point to for that is their Power of Friendship.

In the 90s, Naoko Takeuchi realized that she could make a spellcasting teen girl version of Super Sentai (we know it as Power Rangers).

In the 00s, Toei Animation realized that they could make a spellcasting teen girl version of (the goofier seasons of) Kamen Rider.

Technically, modern magical girls descend from tokusatsu martial arts shows, which is...more or less live action battle anime.
 
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I knew Nanoha was inspired by Gundam, but I kinda assumed similarities to shonen anime in other branches of the magical girl family tree were less shared ancestry and more...using themes and ideas that were floating around kids' pop culture at the time.
 
Granted, the MG-Tokusatsu connection gets a lot thinner when you consider series like Cardcaptor Sakura and Princess Tutu
Cardcaptor Sakura, though it borrows some Sailor Moon formula, is definitely a lot closer to the classic pre-Sailor Moon "story about a girl who does magic" type of magical girl, rather than the modern "transforming superheroine who fights with magic", and is also (as always with CLAMP's in-house stuff) Extremely Fucking CLAMP.

Princess Tutu...I need to watch Princess Tutu. Conceptually it's the best thing I've ever heard of, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

In any case there's obviously always exceptions to any discussion about genre, and magical girls existed before Sailor Moon and have continued to exist independently of it long after. SM was just so ridiculously, apocalyptically popular that it changed the direction of multiple genres of kids' show to be more like itself.
 
Cardcaptor Sakura, though it borrows some Sailor Moon formula, is definitely a lot closer to the classic pre-Sailor Moon "story about a girl who does magic" type of magical girl, rather than the modern "transforming superheroine who fights with magic", and is also (as always with CLAMP's in-house stuff) Extremely Fucking CLAMP.

Princess Tutu...I need to watch Princess Tutu. Conceptually it's the best thing I've ever heard of, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

In any case there's obviously always exceptions to any discussion about genre, and magical girls existed before Sailor Moon and have continued to exist independently of it long after. SM was just so ridiculously, apocalyptically popular that it changed the direction of multiple genres of kids' show to be more like itself.
It's so funny to me how from the outset CCS seems like it would star a transforming superheroine, going off convention. But Sakura's "transformation" specifically is just her pendant turning into wand form- the frilly outfits come from the fact that she has a rich friend who has a truck full of costumes accompany her when she's out doing superhero work.
 
Princess Tutu...I need to watch Princess Tutu. Conceptually it's the best thing I've ever heard of, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Tutu's interesting since it's its own unique little thing, as unlike other post-Sailor Moon shows it's not really an action series, but its plot-heaviness (in and out of universe) contrasts the pre-SM Sally the Witch mold.

I've also gotten back into Buffy the Vampire Slayer (not really a MG show, though I'm sure someone could argue otherwise) and it occurs to me that C is kinda like if Xander turned out to be Faith or Dark Willow all along... Okay, comparing them to Xander of all people is pretty harsh, especially since Xander's cis (AFAWK), but they did fill the same 'resentful about not having powers and needing to be rescued' niche.
Oh, and Faith's boss was actually nice to her
 
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The Xander comparison did strike me, as did one to Ron Stoppable. In all honesty, "heroine's hapless apparently-male sidekick who has angst about it" is the most American Kids' TV trope in this story, but I definitely think it's a fair one to explore in the even-more-gendered world of anime formulas.
 
Extremely Fucking CLAMP.
There are CLAMP works that are even more Extremely Fucking CLAMP, but I see your point.
Princess Tutu...I need to watch Princess Tutu. Conceptually it's the best thing I've ever heard of, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
Not just the concept, but the execution is also briliant.
It's so funny to me how from the outset CCS seems like it would star a transforming superheroine, going off convention. But Sakura's "transformation" specifically is just her pendant turning into wand form- the frilly outfits come from the fact that she has a rich friend who has a truck full of costumes accompany her when she's out doing superhero work.
Even funnier is that CLAMP had written transforming heroines in Rayearth previously, so even their previous readers would have been surprised by the truckful of dresses.
 
no, meguca are also significantly more likely to be queer

nope, see, thats another things magical girls have in common with battle shonen. when the majority of your cast is the same gender, and there's such a large emphasis on passionate emotions, its gonna end up being read as pretty gay regardless of what the author intended
 
nope, see, thats another things magical girls have in common with battle shonen. when the majority of your cast is the same gender, and there's such a large emphasis on passionate emotions, its gonna end up being read as pretty gay regardless of what the author intended
Magical girls tend to be textually queer a lot more often though.
And the fandoms a lot more accepting.

There are a bunch of issues with the anime/manga industry's treatment of mlm vs wlw...
 
Speaking of superheroes, anime and magical girls, there is a currently running superhero anime called 'Shy' that is very magical girly, and the villains there really reminded me of the Abyssal Forest with how they operate.
 
Magical girls tend to be textually queer a lot more often though.
And the fandoms a lot more accepting.

There are a bunch of issues with the anime/manga industry's treatment of mlm vs wlw...
I'd say it's more having a different set of issues; MLM is often dismissed for being corruptive and harmful like a pyramid scheme, while WLW is dismissed as childish whimsy.

And to be fair, that's not limited to anime/manga. Or, for that matter, to romance. Men (or trans women) who want "the wrong thing" are assumed to be perverted monsters; women (or trans men) who want "the wrong thing" are assumed to be ignorant of what they really want/need.


Speaking of superheroes, anime and magical girls, there is a currently running superhero anime called 'Shy' that is very magical girly, and the villains there really reminded me of the Abyssal Forest with how they operate.
That show's heroes struck me as more Super Sentai than Sailor Senshi. Which I guess ties back into the whole discussion we were having...
 
I'd say it's more having a different set of issues; MLM is often dismissed for being corruptive and harmful like a pyramid scheme, while WLW is dismissed as childish whimsy.
There seems to be a lot more WLW than MLM in anime and western animation, I'd say.

But yeah, you're right; for lesbians, the traditional audience is expected to see them as "not actually being serious" and/or sexualise them, and gay guys are either not there or are never allowed more than a hug because some dudebros would vomit.


Do not get me started on fandoms.
 
I'm guessing it is meant as a joke on the two interpretations of MLM (Men Loving Men/Multi-Level Marketing), but it also points out that there is still a shockingly large number of people that still believe homosexuality is corruptive, and that gays want to "convert" others, especially kids, because they conflate one form of sexual perversion (as they see it) with all forms of sexual perversion, especially paedophilia. Although there's a level of deliberate misinformation involved in the conflation by some people who don't really believe that, but just want to make LGBT people look worse by forcing the link.
Plus there's the chauvinistic view in Japan that lesbian relationships, especially among young women, are all merely practice before they settle down for a "proper" relationship with a man, as another form of denying women their agency.

Honestly, the knots some people wrap themselves up in to demonise minority groups is really gross and disturbing. Especially when some let slip "It's what I'd do in their place," and you realise they're projecting their own foul attitudes onto others. Especially when they're political or community leaders.

Anyway, I swore off dealing with that stuff when I quit activism fifteen years ago. Let's get back to the silly bat. I think she might actually be starting to get a few slivers of self-awareness in the latest chapter. Maybe she can combine that with a realisation that although maybe expressing sin can be good for some, so long as Superbia is running the show it can only go badly in the long run and that he needs to be stopped.
 
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I don't know if this is a joke but I think you're conflating two different things abbreviated MLM.
I mean, the "pyramid scheme" thing was definitely a pun, and I spent way too long figuring out how to make that kind of joke work, and I'm not 100% happy with it but it works well enough so I didn't want to waste more time on figuring out a different way to make that joke.

But also, queer men (or more precisely, queer AMAB people) are often considered to be threatening or predatory in a way that queer AFAB people usually aren't. You still get the occasional psycho lesbian, but these days queer women/trans men are generally more likely to be infantilized or trivilalized than demonized.

The difference is most obvious by contrasting how TERFs talk about trans women and trans men, but it's still present when contrasting gay/bi men and lesbian/bi women. The specific attitude that lesbianism is practice for heterosexual monogamy is (AFAIK) not common outside of Japan, but the idea that lesbianism is some kind of phase that girls go through is, as are various ways to "fix" lesbians. Gay men, not so much. Instead, you get stereotypes/joke/"jokes" about gay men being pedophiles, which isn't really a thing for lesbians. And so on.

I think it's an intersection of heteronormativity with toxic masculinity and misogyny. Women (read: AFAB people) are assumed to be objects; their stated desires don't matter, they'll become good wives and mothers eventually. Men (read: AMAB people) are assumed to be aggressive predators who indulge (or at least want to indulge) their appetites for aggression and sexual satisfaction.
But I haven't read any feminist/queer theory, it's just patterns I noticed. I might be missing something.
 
Sexual objectification is old feminist discourse, but you don't see much of the obvious counterpart, which is sexual actor-ification or whatever. Being assumed to be the initiator and cause of sexual activity leads to lots of other consequences culturally.

I've yet to see a good paper on it, but garg probably could do a whole essay here about it. :p

Anyway, a bit off topic for the thread!
 
Anyway, a bit off topic for the thread!
Yeah that's been and it's been getting a bit depressing so let's talk about something funer AU ideas
( I accidentally posted this while I was still writing it so I might edit include some stuff)
So I did a bit more thinking and I figured out the crest I want for Inessa

The crest of ENVY

I picked it because I thought it was a good way to show how similar Inessa and Chiros are

I also changed the evolutions of her partner because I didn't like Dynasmon as her Partners final Evo though I still like the Digimon ( regardless of the form)

So instead of

-> Wingdramon -> Dynasmon (X-Antibody)

It is

GROUNDRAMON -> Medieval Gallantmon

[ I imagine the metallic bits of them being more bluish just to match the entire line together better ]

The reason why I chose GROUNDRAMON as the ultimate is

1. A ultimate related to Wingdramon

2. it also has those giant claw wings which serves as a good good way to connected with
Paledramon + it has a color scheme similar to Medieval Gallantmon

3. I just like it it's one of my favorite Digimon everything about it is super cool yet simple

Medieval Gallantmon was a digimon I was thinking of using as a mega already but I couldn't figure out where to place it so it worked here in this line the only issue was the color scheme luckily I found away around it

The reason why I like it as a mega for this line is that it's a magic user like the rookie and champion,it's a x antibody and finally it's also a dragon ( also it's weapon has the power of a wyvern)
 
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Speaking of trauma and trans girls, How Can I save the World if I'm No Longer the Hero is a longer (finished!) work with a very solid and psychologically rich deep dive into its protagonist.
Thanks for the recommendation, I read it and it was ballin. The only complaint I have is that I feel it ended very quickly after the main climax, and didn't spend much time on the epilogue.
It was actually has a very similar style to this story, now that I think about it. Did you take any inspiration from it for how you've written ALV?
 
One thing that stands out to me about ALV is it's a rare story that actually uses the Seven Virtues, whereas every other story I know based around Virtues uses their own system for them (e.g., the aforementioned Ultima, Digimon with its Crests, the Elements in MLP: FiM). Meanwhile, the Seven Deadly Sins are stuck to almost every time.

Likely reason is the Sins are just more famous than the Virtues, but also two out of those three examples are kids' shows so explaining what Chastity is could get awkward (though you can easily substitute Love). Then again, I've seen kids' media still use Lust, e.g. the aforementioned Keys to the Kingdom, if toned down.

Also, to briefly bring up MLM again, another thing that makes Cardcaptor Sakura stand out is it has a gay male couple, something you almost never see in MG series (in part due to them usually not having enough men in the cast for one). Well, that one Sailor Moon movie at least tried...
 
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One thing that stands out to me about ALV is it's a rare story that actually uses the Seven Virtues, whereas every other story I know based around Virtues uses their own system for them (e.g., the aforementioned Ultima, Digimon with its Crests, the Elements in MLP: FiM). Meanwhile, the Seven Deadly Sins are stuck to almost every time.

Likely reason is the Sins are just more famous than the Virtues, but also two out of those three examples are kids' shows so explaining what Chastity is could get awkward (though you can easily substitute Love). Then again, I've seen kids' media still use Lust, e.g. the aforementioned Keys to the Kingdom, if toned down.
tbf, which virtues are part of the list is a bit more ambiguous than the sins.
 
tbf, which virtues are part of the list is a bit more ambiguous than the sins.
Not really? There are at least two lists of seven deadly sins, which match to the two sets of capital virtues that I'm aware of. There are also cardinal and theological virtues, but by the same token there are older lists of eight or nine deadly sins (which don't just add one or two unusual sins).

The reason the Deadly Sins are more common motifs than the Capital Virtues is just that more people are familiar with the Deadly Sins, which is in large part because the Deadly Sins are more common as motifs. There's probably a root cause somewhere, and it's probably related to Catholic guilt, but I don't think it's relevant to modern fantasy series.
 
Thanks for the recommendation, I read it and it was ballin. The only complaint I have is that I feel it ended very quickly after the main climax, and didn't spend much time on the epilogue.
It was actually has a very similar style to this story, now that I think about it. Did you take any inspiration from it for how you've written ALV?

I can't say it was a direct inspiration per-say. But it does have a certain degree of thematic similarity in terms of dealing with trans girls who feel pretty bad most of the time.
 
Also, to briefly bring up MLM again, another thing that makes Cardcaptor Sakura stand out is it has a gay male couple, something you almost never see in MG series (in part due to them usually not having enough men in the cast for one). Well, that one Sailor Moon movie at least tried...
Mytho and Fakir in Princess Tutu weren't a thing in canon, but I could imagine all four main characters in a polycule together without any trouble, and Lantis and Eagle in Rayearth seemed interested in each other from what I heard ?
Also you called Tokyo Babylon a magical boy story once. (I will never not find that hilarious, even though it's kinda true)
 
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