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“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest

Would you Distort or manifest EGO?

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Nyarky said:
Bad news: Hitomi definitely touched the thorns at the end, she was about to touch the *plant* and Porcubus is full of thorns all over.
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I didn't notice this message right away, but I was more likely to say that according to the lore, Porccubus poison does not kill instantly, instead it is addictive. It can still lead to your death pretty quickly, just not right away. We may need Sayaka's healing and Lobotomy to completely eliminate the mental and physiological effects.

Nyarky said:
We have no confirmation of being able to remake our body, and given NT's speed, just the time it would take us to do so would be a disaster.
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questioningmeme said:
That's playing really risky against an opponent that can literally one-shot Homura before she can blink.

NT isn't slow. In the Shell state, it was still ridiculously quick. And the Shell state is literally completely useless in Lob Corp.

It hasn't even revealed its incomplete mimicry state, Coccoon State, and the goddamn combat form's Mimicry.

I would rather not bring any of our girls to fight that damn thing. Also, you forget. NT has a shit ton of regeneration. In fact, I worry that we will run out of steam before that thing dies.
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Yes, but NT can't be faster than time. There are physical limits to how fast you can be. Homura can instantly move from one end of the island to the other. If we don't underestimate NT and get attacked first, we'll win. Regeneration doesn't matter if it doesn't have time to work. Another thing is that it will be very difficult to avoid civilian casualties in this way. Maybe if we evacuate the population of the entire city before the battle? So yeah, I hope it doesn't come to a fight. But if it's going to be a battle, Homura's magic will be incredibly important.
Alternatively, we can study the esoteric effects of the Blue Star EGO. Resisting gravity is very difficult no matter how much physical strength you have. And that may not even be all it can do.

questioningmeme said:
As for Mami vs Porccubus. She's still relatively useless. Porccubus takes no damage from range attacks. Mami is all guns and no melee.

Sure she can probably bind it. But this thing is literally invincible against range attacks. Inviting her to the battle is just gross negligence when we alone can suffice.
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Nothing prevents Mami from turning her ribbons into swords, for example. I'm not saying we should solo Mami against Porccubus, but I wouldn't be surprised if she can do it if she knows exactly what she's dealing with.
 
Eternal_0bserver said:
I didn't notice this message right away, but I was more likely to say that according to the lore, Porccubus poison does not kill instantly, instead it is addictive.
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Then I misinterpreted your message, I thought you were telling she didn't touch them at all, which is almost definitely not the case, and unfortunately, from what I remember, the main reason why employees get addicted and die in LobCorp is because they touched it, with the ones not dying being the ones not touching it.

We still probably have time to save her, I think her friends will potentially see something is wrong tomorrow, either because she's not in class or because she look stoned and we can intervene then.

Eternal_0bserver said:
Yes, but NT can't be faster than time.
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She doesn't need to, she just need to be faster than Homura's arm when she goes for the shield, and I wouldn't put this past her given what we've seen.

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I also categorically refuse to go see her with a mindset of *this will turn into a fight*, we know negotiations are possible and our best bet and this kind of thing can very well tank them before we even try.
 
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Nyarky said:
The main problem is that while it is probable, it isn't confirmed and as you said, being in a situation to test that is not really a good thing.
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True, but X could find herself in many very nasty situations where options are limited. Being aware of all possible abilities she has a could be key.

We don't want to test that, partly because I suspect X would react... badly... to having irreconcilable evidence to what she is shoved in her face. But it is something to keep in mind.
Nyarky said:
She doesn't need to, she just need to be faster than Homura's arm when she goes for the shield, and I wouldn't put this past her given what we've seen.
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I would. Sayo in the side story got off a hit. She's fast, but not that fast.
 
Nyarky said:
Here's a very simple way to make it so that you don't have any true death from this: the result is saved even if you do a true reset, just go back to the last checkpoint once you finished her fight and you won't have any true deaths. That's what I did after every meltdowns, they are too disruptive otherwise.
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I know. My current goal for my run was to use the Repo as little as possible but I am still on track (considering you only have to use it once) also I count a true death as any death on the end of day screen minus any planned sacrifices.
 
Long story, short. None of the girls are gonna get to fight Porccubus if we have anything to say about it. The damn thing is an ultra addiction trap and a half.

I don't think X would care if the Porccubus die the moment a girl breathed on it or not. The simple act of touching the damn thing will give you a drug addiction of an unacceptable (modern standards) level. As a responsible guardian, that is one too many risks.

Nottheunmaker said:
I would. Sayo in the side story got off a hit. She's fast, but not that fast.
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I wouldn't say that NT is slow.

Remember. The current NT we see isn't the huge 3-man tall, 100 thousand men's worth of muscles THIRD PHASE form of NT.

We just see the "disguised" form of NT. The one that can be one-shotted by an execution bullet. Aka, what we are seeing is its the weakest state.

I don't want to test how tough its unbounded self is. Because currently, it's basically "holding back" so the shell isn't immediately shredded because it moves to fast or too hard. (By the way, still extremely fucked up, because I'm pretty sure MG bodies only regenerate if the Soul Gem is connected to them)
 
Nottheunmaker said:
I would. Sayo in the side story got off a hit. She's fast, but not that fast.
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We see Mami ribbon Homura several times before she can go for her shield in canon, all that is needed is to take her by surprise, and given the most likely reason for a fight is NT ambushing her, well….

Because, once again, I don't see a negotiation turning into a fight as a likely scenario, if there is a fight, it would be without us there and with NT being the aggressor for whatever reason, I don't want to have the girls with us in a negotiation anyway so that would remove having to thin of scenarii for them, I am willing to make them leave by force if that's what necessary for this to happen.
 
questioningmeme said:
The one that can be one-shotted by an execution bullet.
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Just to point out: what is used isn't an execution bullet but a bullet made specifically to kill NT, it also does 10 000 damages, more if it takes the red resistance into account when it shows the result. Not really a good benchmark.


questioningmeme said:
We just see the "disguised" form of NT.
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No, NT explicitly said that her shell had been broken and she had to remake it at the end of the fight, she wasn't disguised at this point.
 
Nyarky said:
No, NT explicitly said that her shell had been broken and she had to remake it at the end of the fight, she wasn't disguised at this point.
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Its shell being broken still doesn't make it its third phase form. Also, it only got its shell broken near the end of the fight to a sneak attack.

NT killed A SQUAD OF MAGICAL GIRLS before it even took one single hit, it seriously killed multiple girls without taking a SINGLE hit.

"Gritting her teeth, Sayo fired a blast through her chest to strike the arrogant upstart. Her own howl of pain nearly covered the shriek from behind her. Sayo flopped onto her back, healed enough to move once more. This fight wasn't over yet, she could-"

This was the only part where NT there got hit.

And before that "She hadn't even heard two of her team die. They had been making their move, crossing Asunaro to the target location, and suddenly they were just gone. Two bodies cleaved open in a single strike that nobody saw, their Soul Gems both having vanished in the same moment."

It literally was so silent and fast that a veteran Magical Girl with YEARS under her belt didn't even manage to react to it in time.

NT's current shelled form is STRONG. Do not think that it's similar to the NT in Lob Cop. This thing has grown to be an absolute menace. We absolutely CANNOT beat it in a fight.
 
questioningmeme said:
NT's current shelled form is STRONG. Do not think that it's similar to the NT in Lob Cop. This thing has grown to be an absolute menace. We absolutely CANNOT beat it in a fight.
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I'm sure you're exaggerating. We have Homura's time stop, Sayaka's power-up, and a weapon fit to strike. And from the point of view of history, it makes no sense for the author to give us a possible enemy that we are physically unable to defeat. It just doesn't make sense.
 
Eternal_0bserver said:
I'm sure you're exaggerating. We have Homura's time stop, Sayaka's power-up, and a weapon fit to strike. And from the point of view of history, it makes no sense for the author to give us a possible enemy that we are physically unable to defeat. It just doesn't make sense.
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Look man we just don't want to take that chance. We if possible want to absolutely stacked as much favor for us
 
Eternal_0bserver said:
I'm sure you're exaggerating. We have Homura's time stop, Sayaka's power-up, and a weapon fit to strike. And from the point of view of history, it makes no sense for the author to give us a possible enemy that we are physically unable to defeat. It just doesn't make sense.
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It makes absolute sense if the intended way to win is via talking, Nothing There is THE abnormality when it comes to fighting, only one more dangerous is White Night Himself, this is very much not an ennemy we can fight expecting to win, we'll be lucky to survive if anything.
 
With our current set of weapons and armor, I absolutely dont want to fight it.

If we had a red shield bullet, some K Corp bullets and abnormalities like Nostefaru or MoSB which favors long winded melee battle, sure.

But I don't want to test whether we have the DPS to kill NT's third form.

Nyarky said:
It makes absolute sense if the intended way to win is via talking, Nothing There is THE abnormality when it comes to fighting, only one more dangerous is White Night Himself, this is very much not an ennemy we can fight expecting to win, we'll be lucky to survive if anything.
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Apocalypse Bird be like :V.
 
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Riku_Furude said:
Look man we just don't want to take that chance. We if possible want to absolutely stacked as much favor for us
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Eh, I just feel like I'm stuck between two polarizing opinions "There's no chance we'll even have a battle with NT!" and "We don't have a shadow of a chance to beat NT!". I do not consider any of them absolutely correct, and this is really disappointing.
 
I personally wouldn't try to fight NT with anything less than Paradise Lost here, that, or twilght, and including any of the girls is just asking for them to die, Homura timestop can actually be stopped very easily when you know how, and she's rationing her best weapons for waluigi, her normal arsenal is not enough against a Nothing There that is not under Qlipoth deterrence to weaken it, it would probably just shrug of bullets and explosives as if it was nothing.

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Eternal_0bserver said:
Eh, I just feel like I'm stuck between two polarizing opinions "There's no chance we'll even have a battle with NT!" and "We don't have a shadow of a chance to beat NT!". I do not consider any of them absolutely correct, and this is really disappointing.
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Just for information, you must really not like me right now, because I subscribe to both. :V

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questioningmeme said:
Apocalypse Bird be like :V.
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Doesn't count, apocalypse bird is three little birds in a trench-coat. :V
 
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What my most concern is NT doesn't recognize us. After all for all intent and purpose we are cosplaying as kali/gebura
Oh yeah @Lepidoptera since we already so far into the quest can you tell us what kind of perk if we pick ayin, X, carmen, or angela (original body) as a model
 
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