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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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DeusFerreus said:
However without this rivalry driving him he very likely wouldn't have reached where he is today. He would definitely still be a great runelord, but I doubt he would be good and driven enough to aquire the Tongs (plus obviuosly there would be no Citadel of Creaton without the rivalry).

Pretty sure the whole "training a dosens of runesmiths, who are training a small army of runesmiths" to bypass the "limited sharing of runelore outside master-apprentice relationship" rule, and "knowing/creating bunch of Legally Distinct Runes that have nigh-identical effects" to bypass Rule of Pride are pretty damn radical behaviours. It's just before Citadel of Creation almost no one otside Far North have ever heard of, or cared about him to raise the issue with said radicalism.
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Erm??? No? Hes not training apprentices to get grand apprentices so that he can teach people who are not apprentices. What the hell are you talking about? Theres no rule preventing runesmiths from sharing information with non apprentices anyway we saw old respectable conservative Hammerspite set up an entire process around his doing that.
Are you mixing up arguments? He trains many apprentices and can then use them to do work that requires repeated use of the same rune such as doing all the lighting in a hold, a conservative KaK or Izril runelord would simply not be in a situation where they are one of two runelords solely responsible for managing that sort of mass creation, however if they were put into the situation and couldn't just leave it up to other journeymen runesmiths to handle the problem then their solution would probably look a lot like Vragni's
Knowing a lot of runes is a point of fucking pride. And its considered the normal way for conservatives to deal with Rule of Pride issues. Some people have even speculated its exactly what Thungni intended so that Dwarves have to keep going out to discover new runes instead of just using the exact same set all the time.
 
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Dark as Silver said:
Can we delay the dragon so Leandre Agua doesn't interpret this as a romantic birthday gift.

Hopefully her thinking Snorri is fictional will save us?
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You're too late, she's already really smugly posted a description of their rivalry captioned "Dwarfs am I right" to r/Gilesandhiscompanions.

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DiscordOxymoron said:
Do it. Though I didn't know Gnolls are a thing in WH... huh, you learn something new.
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They aren't, which is part of the joke and threat.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Well yeah, better than anyone who has none, still behind Snori. Also as others have pointed out we have two known and one unknown Mythic Deeds to our name and he has none. This isn't a competition and he's not in the running, Vrangi just deluded himself that he is. This is Snori running after the Ancestors to catch up.
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To be fair, we have no idea how many unknown Mythic Deeds he has to his name, since like our own they would be unknown. He might have a whole bunch of them and we've just never paid any attention to him so we never got any hints that they were there.
 
Lokimotion said:
To be fair, we have no idea how many unknown Mythic Deeds he has to his name, since like our own they would be unknown. He might have a whole bunch of them and we've just never paid any attention to him so we never got any hints that they were there.
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I mean... the only reason we have an unknown Mythic Deed is because we are concerned about dwarfs tearing out their eyes, there really isn't much reason for any Runelord to have unknown Mythic deeds except maybe in the space between finding it and the next conclave, so unless Vrangi has somehow produced multiple mythic deeds in the last 90 years I think it is fair to assume he has none.
 
Dark as Silver said:
I just realised, is this the Kragg/Thorek dynamic in ancient times, localised entirely within the North?
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As far as I know Kragg and Thorek never had any Dynamic, and given that Thorek was only the most outwardly active and skilled with and anvil of doom of Azul and Kragg the oldest runelord of the everpeak and the rest of the realm I do not think It would have been close.


Keep in mind guys, Vragni can keep as much deeds a secret as he likes, he has no obbligation to tell us what he does or what he knows.
We have no idea how useful the Tongs are.
We do not know if he contacted some elgj for help with magic.
Thungi did consider him worty of receiving the riddle for them on his own merit (Volki helped him pass he did not allow for him to try).

We do know he has been going to war way more than us.

And this Is in my opinion something he deserves credit for.
 
DragonParadox said:
I mean... the only reason we have an unknown Mythic Deed is because we are concerned about dwarfs tearing out their eyes, there really isn't much reason for any Runelord to have unknown Mythic deeds except maybe in the space between finding it and the next conclave, so unless Vrangi has somehow produced multiple mythic deeds in the last 90 years I think it is fair to assume he has none.
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TFW Vragni invented Laithero (You thought the Dragonblood Smelters were potent, wait until you see the Solar Refinery)
 
Speaking of Vragni, would he or anyone else publicly decrying Snorri even use Windsight once he starts teaching it? Because to use it they would be passively condoning Snorri's methods. I could see some Dwarf's being too stubborn and not useing Windsight. "If the Ancestor's didn't need it then I don't".
 
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Potentially useful combo that I have no ideas for but hey maybe somebody else is cooking up a weapon:

Rune of Verglas: Weapon is coated in cold and disables enchantments
Rune of Smednir: Abhorrance of shoddy work
Rune of Thungni: Better functioning Runes

"The cold disdain of Thungni freezes magic and enchantment as surely as Smednir freezes shoddy work, making it shatter."
 
Voik is the snorri of omakes for vragni . Therefore to complete the circle we must gather up and become the vragni of snorri omakes :V
 
Rune of The Idyllic: The spells of Tzeentch rely on twisting, molding, shaping, ever hunting for a new perfection; a quality shared with the Lore of Metal. This Rune reinforces objects against such twisting, molding, shaping, keeping them a pleasant picture, something that ought not change and cannot be improved.

A Rune crafted by Skalla Honestheart, in part with aid from the Silverbearers of the Brana and in part from her own efforts against Alchemists of Tzeentch.
#Constant, #Curse, #Grudge, #Defensive, #Physical, #AOE, #Magic

#Rune-Ideas
 
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Binge-Reader said:
Vrangi is by objective measures as a runesmith bullshit and a major asset to dwarf society as a whole. His problem is he has a one sided rivalry with the only Runesmith who's going for Major Ancestor status and can suceed.
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Well that, and he made the mistake that far too many dwarfs make and decided his interpretation of Thungni's will was the correct one
Voikirium said:
Rune of The Idyllic: The spells of Tzeentch rely on twisting, molding, shaping, ever hunting for a new perfection; a quality shared with the Lore of Metal. This Rune reinforces objects against such twisting, molding, shaping, keeping them a pleasant picture, something that ought not change and cannot be improved.

A Rune crafted by Skalla Honestheart, in part with aid from the Silverbearers of the Brana and in part from her own efforts against Alchemists of Tzeentch.
#Constant, #Curse, #Grudge, #Defensive, #Physical, #AOE, #Magic

#Rune-Ideas
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Tell me more about these alchemists. I'd like to subscribe to their newsletter.
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
Well that, and he made the mistake that far too many dwarfs make and decided his interpretation of Thungni's will was the correct one

Tell me more about these alchemists. I'd like to subscribe to their newsletter.
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Alchemist, unless I've completely lost my mind, is just a relatively generic term for Chamon users.
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
Yeah, I didn't know Tzeentch had any though. Doubt they're pure chamon lol. I'm guessing they end up with a lot of chaos spawn.
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It's the Wind Daemon Princes of Tzeentch and generic Tzeentchian Chaos Sorcerers get access to in the Warriors of Chaos, and it makes plenty of sense if one is willing to consider Chamon less Elementally as raw metal and more Mystically as refinement and change.
 
DragonParadox said:
On a basic level it's not Vrangi's fault he's not in the running.

Snori's advantages when it comes to breaking the mold as a runelord
  • Yori's odd runes
  • The fact that he became a runelord almost scandalously young and is still older than Vrangi
  • The the path to Adamant pioneered by the Brotherhood
  • Cooperative mages (first Brana then elves)
  • Access to an Anvil of the Earth that Yori found as well as all his other odd places and their resources
  • The magic books of an entire other society of magic users with a tradition as old and as deep as the dwarfs while being far less secretive
  • Access to Yori, apprentice of Durin to get prods
By contrast Vrangi has er...
  • The willingness to walk through an obvious loophole in the Rule of Pride
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That right there is a lineage issue

*proceeds to start the biggest and bloodiest dwarven brawl known to Karaz Ankor*
 
Rune of Pride: a Runesmith will never create a copy of a rune item he's made before.
Rule of Pride:No more than one item may carry the same combination of runes.
Rule of Pride: no two runic items in an army can have the same combination of runes

WHAT IS THE ACUTAL RULE OF PRIDE

Meanwhile Thungni: This is like a suggestion, man.
You gotta take the pride of a runesmith seriously bro.
Just make your stuff according to the goal and the purpose required by the task.
Bespoke is better than mass production when it comes to runes.
They can like, feel the vibes.


GLORIOUS MISUNDERSTANDING!
Voikirium said:
Learn magic in the same way Snorri is learning magic from the Elves and Brana.
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Sounds like he has a Micro Gnoll Shaman tied to his head, using magic to see for him.
 
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