Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Way easier to be interested in all the threats that don't have to overcome her first, or are coming in later like Sun Shao/the Red Garden, the Grave, the Polar Gates, or even the really vague stuff like whatever's happening with the Maelstrom or Banabar.
I wonder how we'll be able to kill Sun Shao. The Grave scares me. The Enemy just past the Polar Gates scares me. The Maelstron and Banabar don't, we're just not qualified or in a position to even understand what will happen there.
 
I respect the work you put into being his hype man, but it's hard to get excited about him as an antagonist when he's up against Cai Shenhua, who's got way more narrative build up as an antagonist for the late/end game. Any Destiny players here? It's like trying to get hyped up about Skolas when the Taken King is coming with the next expansion.

Way easier to be interested in all the threats that don't have to overcome her first, or are coming in later like Sun Shao/the Red Garden, the Grave, the Polar Gates, or even the really vague stuff like whatever's happening with the Maelstrom or Banabar.
Yrs keeps building heat for Galidan with every novel prologue, so I sincerely doubt Shenhua will just roll over him. That would be narratively unsatisfying as hell.
Ling Qi will face plenty of fuckery later in her life but the Emerald Seas-Cloud conflict has hung over the entire storyline so far, so one way or the other it deserves to be finished with a big dramatic bang.
 
Yrs keeps building heat for Galidan with every novel prologue, so I sincerely doubt Shenhua will just roll over him. That would be narratively unsatisfying as hell.
Ling Qi will face plenty of fuckery later in her life but the Emerald Seas-Cloud conflict has hung over the entire storyline so far, so one way or the other it deserves to be finished with a big dramatic bang.
Personally i find it hard to get invested in a guy who has only been mentioned by name 5 times in the fic itself. With 3 of times those being in a recent sidestory set from the perspective of the nomads. While the other 2 are from several years ago. I legitimately only remember that he exists and who he is because you are his 'hype man' as the other user put it.

Though that's not to say that i'm uninterested in the war against the nomads entirely, just that Galidan has been relegated to the position of 'guy who vaguely exists and happens to be in charge of the nomads' and therefore doesn't attract any of my interest compared to the variety of other antagonists or major issues.
I'm sure it will be super dramatic and cool and whatnot once we get to the point that he is actually relevant to the story at large, but as it currently stands I don't really care about him in particular.
 
Personally I don't think he's going to be a cakewalk, but if the narrative ended up being "survive against him long enough that it becomes justified for Cai Shenhua to take the field" I wouldn't be remotely surprised. And "it becomes justified for Cai Shenhua to take the field" is a step below imperial muster, which is what this discussion was started by the prospect of.
 
Okay, but have you considered, instead, Die Shenhua? Nothing a jarring mid-war narrative twist can't solve.
If Shenhua weren't set up to be an antagonist, sure. The MC's clan/faction getting destroyed in the early/mid story is an extremely common Xianxia trope, but normally when that happens the family is somewhere between 'beloved' and 'kind of dicks at worst,' not 'built up as the endgame boss.'

I could see Galidan destroying the Argent Peak Sect or killing Diao Linquin early as 'oh shit' moments, but trading Cai Shenhua for Galidan as a main antagonist would be like trading all of our current crop of love interests to get Gu Tai back.

Personally I don't think he's going to be a cakewalk, but if the narrative ended up being "survive against him long enough that it becomes justified for Cai Shenhua to take the field" I wouldn't be remotely surprised. And "it becomes justified for Cai Shenhua to take the field" is a step below imperial muster, which is what this discussion was started by the prospect of.
I mean, if he hits White that is the justification for Shenhua to take the field. If a peer shows up she's not going to wait for him to kill an arbitrary number of her guys first.
 
I mean, if he hits White that is the justification for Shenhua to take the field. If a peer shows up she's not going to wait for him to kill an arbitrary number of her guys first.
On the upside the Argent Peak Sect accountants would be happy. :p
Karthak said:
Given the book six prologue, how would the Imperial Court, hypothetically, react to the news that the Cloud have a White?
Yrsillar said:
Most likely upset and mumuring followed by the Empress having to cut funding to other projects to increase defense funding in the south
Chester said:
Didn't the elders say that members of the court felt that the argent sect wasn't worth the money invested due to not pushing kids to the imperial army or ministry jobs?
Yrsillar said:
that kinda changes if theres a barbarian white with a grudge on the border
 
If Galidan does make it to white and is able to raise some others to white alongside him, I see them becoming a post Shennua threat.
The Shenhua plot is probably not going to be resolved before Renxiang is capable of taking over as Duchess, which is centuries in the future. I doubt it'll take nearly that long for the war with the Twelve Stars to be concluded.

Since I have apparently been anointed Galidan's hype man, I thought I'd do some glazing.:wink2: Let's take a look at the Empire's borders.
To the east the Golden Fields contends with the Dead, but per Yrs it's rare these days that the Grave vomits forth a Prism or higher threat. And the Dead aren't foreigners but ex-Imperials. To the north the Xuan clash with the sea folk, but it's been thousands of years since their Sublimes fought. The Jin predate on other cultures, both most of their victims don't appear to be that strong. They raid Khusan, but per Yrs most Princes are Indigo, with a few Violets. It's usually their monks who reach Prism and White. To the west we have until a few centuries ago the war with the people of the red jungle, but per Yrs they only got Whites if the Sunflower decided to boost someone that high, and the side effects were nasty. And to the south the Cloud haven't had a White since Batu fought the Horned Lord back in the pre-Empire days.
So basically an independent, war-focused foreign enemy White right on the border with the Empire is a really rare threat. No wonder there'd be upset in the imperial court.
 
Fenfen's Bizzarre adventure New
"Oh shit, oh fuck, whyyyyy why is it squirming like that!"

Liu Xin's cry echoed up from the tunnel. Xiao Fen's hand knifed out, cutting through the reaching fleshy grasper that snapped out at her like an overlong tongue from a crack in the crumbling stone. Her fingernails sheared through it, and veins of toxic black raced back down the severed length, leaving it spasming and dying, rotting to sludge even as she raced by.

"No, no, no, no no. Hells no! Get blasted you slimy shit!"

The tunnels rocked, tongues of flame scorching the stone, the shockwave yanking at her hair and the hems of her gown. The stone groaned, pebbles and worse raining from the ceiling. She swerved through them, the dark passage flashing by in a blur. A second blast erupted. The ceiling groaned like a dying giant, and a slab of rock fell from the ceiling of the tunnel, thousands of kilograms of solid rock collapsing atop her.

Xiao Fen snorted irritability, qi pulsing through her veins, lowered her shoulder, and charged through it. Rock burst into dust, bounced from her skin, scraped across her clothes, and shattered into powder on its impact with her body.

She had told him it would end up like this.

***​
"You really don't gotta do this Xiao Fen."

"I am doing it regardless." She replied flatly. She did not understand why he had to make things so difficult. "Assuming Senior Sister does not object."

The short, blue-haired young woman whose workshop they had arrived at chewed her lower lip. Xiao Fen did not understand the purpose of the anxious charade. The calculating metallic gleam of the talisman eye in her scarred socket, and the near-intoxicating miasma of impurity and blood aspected qi rising from her shimmering gown like a cloud.

"W-well. I am not offering points for multiple inner disciples. It's not in my budget you see."

"I do not require these. Will my presence disrupt the task?"

"Xiao Fen, c'mon. Senior Sister is just having me test out her new deployable spatial fortifications," Liu Xin sighed. "I'll be fine."

She knew that. She also knew this woman was a close companion of that girl. Let alone the dark rumors that swirled around her, of the dark experiments she worked under the aegis of the Sect.

"I was looking to test the strength of the warding and spatial infrastructure against common breaking techniques, As well as human testing the results of spatial displacement."

Xiao Fen glowered. Such techniques were highly irregular in the hands of mere third realms. The Emerald Seas was extremely lax in who it allowed to practice such things.

"And to make sure they don't warp too much underground, right? Cause the shishigui got their own space-bending tricks."

"Quite a lot of them," Li Suyin sighed. "Zhenli? Two inhabitants shouldn't strain the prototype unduly."

The dog-sized pink spider crouched over the fortified hole in the sunken earth waved her pedipalps in agreement. "Rated for up to six individuals."

"I suppose it's fine then…"


***​
She sensed the end of the solid earth and stone she was plowing through long before her eyes were freed to see. There was a space beyond, hazy and humid with heat and a pulse that she could only compare to the beat of a vast heart

Liu Xin crouched, panting in the middle of a circle of scorched stone, ropy veins of gooey organic matter already growing in jagged rootlike patterns back toward him from the twitching, pulsing walls. Before him stood a hulk of soft, quivering pink flesh in the shape of a tall man, broad of shoulder and chest… it was a skinless thing, all raw muscle and sinew, connected like a puppet through strands of soft flexing white tendon that fed back into the walls.

"Don't f-fucking touch me. I spirit, I know, I know you're not…" Liu Xin ground out.

Ah. Liu Xin did have to work on his tendency to drop into common vernacular under stress. He had turned down her shock treatments. She might have to insist. But she thought she might understand now, the threat that had spilled in during the rupture.

By the time she had finished that thought, her feet had torn through slick, slippery flesh, and she bounded into the circle of stone, trailing pebbles and grit and embers of black fire.

***​
"We're seeing a strange fluctuation in the trench circumference during the turn. Junior Brother Liu Xin, please relay back the breaking operation you used again?"

"Uhh Stream Splitting Stone method. Just one of the basic five. Didn't leave a scratch as far as I can tell…"

"That should be so. Yet.. Why is the spatial frequency fluctuating so chaotically? I…"

"Oh dear."

Xiao Fen looked up sharply, there was a change in the air, a…. Leak in the spatially fortified tunnel.

The world spun.


***​
"Contact with our senior sister?" Xiao Fen asked flatly.

"Only a quick message. She's… disciplining the malfunction? Kinda garbled, so maybe that's wrong?"

Xiao Lin grunted, watching the bulky thing stalk toward them, quivering tendons stretching thin between it and the wall. The fleshy tendrils were almost back at their feet. She wouldn't be surprised if this was simply part of the testing, but she also would not be surprised if it was otherwise. "That thing, I assume you are seeing something different from me?"

Liu Xin's face flushed scarlet, and the dust whorling around his hands snapped and popped with dozens of tiny firecracker explosions.

"Dark qi then. Desire based. I suppose it will extrude a construct based on my Mistress, to paralyze me with loyalty," Xiao Fen shook her head. As if they were not well-conditioned and instructed on such an obvious ploy. With the arts inlaid in her very blood, nothing short of a wielder of law would even stand….

Her eyes flicked to the side, where something moved in the shadows, and bloomed from them. A grin, a smile, a crescent of white floating among a halo of stars.

Got you again junior sister, I can't believe you actually fell for this prank. Are you sure you can watch Mei-mei's back?"

"Xiao Fen, what…?"

Her hiss was high and loud enough to deafen her own ears as she shot off into that shadow. This smirking, irreverent, overly familiar witch.

Her heart soared as she struck out, and the grin faltered, finally, finally faltered. Her knife hand cut through and scattered strands of starry hair, her rising knee brushed past silk, and then, and Then! Her forehead cracked across the bridge of that irritating woman's nose!

Triumph.


"Xiao Fen!"

She jerked as heat and fire washed over her, and the shadows evaporated. It left heat, it left wetness, it left writhing flesh clinging to her face with the consistency of mud.

The wall was cratered, her forehead buried in an inch of rock layered with bubbling flesh. Tendrils clung to her cheeks, to her hair. She felt them squirming between her teeth, and breathed out furious sparks, biting through the tendrils and grinding them to paste as she wrenched herself out of the rock.

She was filthy now.

Today, Xiao Fen decided, was an awful day.

***​
"I am so, so sorry for this," Li Suyin bowed before them both, standing in the mouth of the tunnel. "I never imagined the assistive intelligence I installed into the arrays would become so… um… mischievous."

"Mischievous." Xiao Fen repeated dully. She squeezed her hair in her hands unmindful of the needles prickling her palms. Frothy pinkish muck was wrung out, splattering on the rock.

"She, um, didn't mean to harm anyone. I cultivated her from a moon fairy with some assistance from an expert, but I thought I'd instilled proper behavior guidelines during the growth process," Li Suyin said swiftly. Under her arm was a small cage-like one that might be used for a bird.

Inside it was a winking, bobbing coin of ethereal silver light. Xiao Fen glowered at it. She did not sense contrition at all.

"You're uh… you're actually doing all that artificial spirit stuff people talk about, Senior Sister?" Liu Xin asked. He too was drenched in… fluids.

"Of course, the Duchess has shown there so many fascinating avenues to take, and my impurity research has revealed many routes not particularly well explored. The synergy with automaton and reactive formation research is quite high," Li Suyin said cheerfully. "Um, but yes. She didn't intend any harm. I don't know what came over her…"

Xiao Fen's eyes narrowed. She knew. An expert. She knew well that Li Suyin had been housing a certain dreaming moon spirit for some time.

Even now… Ling Qi was still toying with her.
 
Just adding a reminder it's a sidestory week. I'm doing a write-a-thon, seeing how many comissions I can get done in week. You'll get side story releases on the normal update days but the full slate of releases are on patreon!
 
Her heart soared as she struck out, and the grin faltered, finally, finally faltered. Her knife hand cut through and scattered strands of starry hair, her rising knee brushed past silk, and then, and Then! Her forehead cracked across the bridge of that irritating woman's nose!
Her desire is to sock Linq Qi in the face! Truly, Linq Qi is the best Senior.
 
The, uh, communicative gap between Li Suyin and her creations/companions is pretty funny. Especially with Ling Qi as contrast.

Crazy that Suyin and Sixiang had a kid tho.

On Xiao Fen, if I've got the timelines right, it looks like Meizhen hasn't formally withdrawn her from the sect, or hadn't at this point, which is neat of her.

Also on Xiao Fen, it'll be fun when we get to spar again and she manages to land a blow on Ling Qi and Ling Qi shrugs off getting a hand blown off or something with her new defense art. (And pretends to shrug off the poison only to slump over when Xiao Fen stalks off angrily.)
 
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Oh hey, its been a bit since we've last seen Fenfen and Explody dust dude. Seems like they just experienced the much rarer event known as a ' Sixiang Adventure'. Though i doubt Xiao Fen cares about that particular distinction.

The short, blue-haired young woman whose workshop they had arrived at chewed her lower lip. Xiao Fen did not understand the purpose of the anxious charade. The calculating metallic gleam of the talisman eye in her scarred socket, and the near-intoxicating miasma of impurity and blood aspected qi rising from her shimmering gown like a cloud.
Tis interesting that she believes its entirely a facade, instead of just how she is when she isn't making people regret their continued existence. Though considering her upbringing, I guess its not particularly surprising.
 
I do find it hilarious that the only emotion she feels other than loyalty to Meizhen is her desire to punch Qi, we really gotta bully her more :V

She hates us so so much :rofl:
 
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"Oh shit, oh fuck, whyyyyy why is it squirming like that!"

Liu Xin's cry echoed up from the tunnel. Xiao Fen's hand knifed out, cutting through the reaching fleshy grasper that snapped out at her like an overlong tongue from a crack in the crumbling stone. Her fingernails sheared through it, and veins of toxic black raced back down the severed length, leaving it spasming and dying, rotting to sludge even as she raced by.

"No, no, no, no no. Hells no! Get blasted you slimy shit!"

The tunnels rocked, tongues of flame scorching the stone, the shockwave yanking at her hair and the hems of her gown. The stone groaned, pebbles and worse raining from the ceiling. She swerved through them, the dark passage flashing by in a blur. A second blast erupted. The ceiling groaned like a dying giant, and a slab of rock fell from the ceiling of the tunnel, thousands of kilograms of solid rock collapsing atop her.

Xiao Fen snorted irritability, qi pulsing through her veins, lowered her shoulder, and charged through it. Rock burst into dust, bounced from her skin, scraped across her clothes, and shattered into powder on its impact with her body.

She had told him it would end up like this.

***​
"You really don't gotta do this Xiao Fen."

"I am doing it regardless." She replied flatly. She did not understand why he had to make things so difficult. "Assuming Senior Sister does not object."

The short, blue-haired young woman whose workshop they had arrived at chewed her lower lip. Xiao Fen did not understand the purpose of the anxious charade. The calculating metallic gleam of the talisman eye in her scarred socket, and the near-intoxicating miasma of impurity and blood aspected qi rising from her shimmering gown like a cloud.

"W-well. I am not offering points for multiple inner disciples. It's not in my budget you see."

"I do not require these. Will my presence disrupt the task?"

"Xiao Fen, c'mon. Senior Sister is just having me test out her new deployable spatial fortifications," Liu Xin sighed. "I'll be fine."

She knew that. She also knew this woman was a close companion of that girl. Let alone the dark rumors that swirled around her, of the dark experiments she worked under the aegis of the Sect.

"I was looking to test the strength of the warding and spatial infrastructure against common breaking techniques, As well as human testing the results of spatial displacement."

Xiao Fen glowered. Such techniques were highly irregular in the hands of mere third realms. The Emerald Seas was extremely lax in who it allowed to practice such things.

"And to make sure they don't warp too much underground, right? Cause the shishigui got their own space-bending tricks."

"Quite a lot of them," Li Suyin sighed. "Zhenli? Two inhabitants shouldn't strain the prototype unduly."

The dog-sized pink spider crouched over the fortified hole in the sunken earth waved her pedipalps in agreement. "Rated for up to six individuals."

"I suppose it's fine then…"


***​
She sensed the end of the solid earth and stone she was plowing through long before her eyes were freed to see. There was a space beyond, hazy and humid with heat and a pulse that she could only compare to the beat of a vast heart

Liu Xin crouched, panting in the middle of a circle of scorched stone, ropy veins of gooey organic matter already growing in jagged rootlike patterns back toward him from the twitching, pulsing walls. Before him stood a hulk of soft, quivering pink flesh in the shape of a tall man, broad of shoulder and chest… it was a skinless thing, all raw muscle and sinew, connected like a puppet through strands of soft flexing white tendon that fed back into the walls.

"Don't f-fucking touch me. I spirit, I know, I know you're not…" Liu Xin ground out.

Ah. Liu Xin did have to work on his tendency to drop into common vernacular under stress. He had turned down her shock treatments. She might have to insist. But she thought she might understand now, the threat that had spilled in during the rupture.

By the time she had finished that thought, her feet had torn through slick, slippery flesh, and she bounded into the circle of stone, trailing pebbles and grit and embers of black fire.

***​
"We're seeing a strange fluctuation in the trench circumference during the turn. Junior Brother Liu Xin, please relay back the breaking operation you used again?"

"Uhh Stream Splitting Stone method. Just one of the basic five. Didn't leave a scratch as far as I can tell…"

"That should be so. Yet.. Why is the spatial frequency fluctuating so chaotically? I…"

"Oh dear."

Xiao Fen looked up sharply, there was a change in the air, a…. Leak in the spatially fortified tunnel.

The world spun.


***​
"Contact with our senior sister?" Xiao Fen asked flatly.

"Only a quick message. She's… disciplining the malfunction? Kinda garbled, so maybe that's wrong?"

Xiao Lin grunted, watching the bulky thing stalk toward them, quivering tendons stretching thin between it and the wall. The fleshy tendrils were almost back at their feet. She wouldn't be surprised if this was simply part of the testing, but she also would not be surprised if it was otherwise. "That thing, I assume you are seeing something different from me?"

Liu Xin's face flushed scarlet, and the dust whorling around his hands snapped and popped with dozens of tiny firecracker explosions.

"Dark qi then. Desire based. I suppose it will extrude a construct based on my Mistress, to paralyze me with loyalty," Xiao Fen shook her head. As if they were not well-conditioned and instructed on such an obvious ploy. With the arts inlaid in her very blood, nothing short of a wielder of law would even stand….

Her eyes flicked to the side, where something moved in the shadows, and bloomed from them. A grin, a smile, a crescent of white floating among a halo of stars.

Got you again junior sister, I can't believe you actually fell for this prank. Are you sure you can watch Mei-mei's back?"

"Xiao Fen, what…?"

Her hiss was high and loud enough to deafen her own ears as she shot off into that shadow. This smirking, irreverent, overly familiar witch.

Her heart soared as she struck out, and the grin faltered, finally, finally faltered. Her knife hand cut through and scattered strands of starry hair, her rising knee brushed past silk, and then, and Then! Her forehead cracked across the bridge of that irritating woman's nose!

Triumph.


"Xiao Fen!"

She jerked as heat and fire washed over her, and the shadows evaporated. It left heat, it left wetness, it left writhing flesh clinging to her face with the consistency of mud.

The wall was cratered, her forehead buried in an inch of rock layered with bubbling flesh. Tendrils clung to her cheeks, to her hair. She felt them squirming between her teeth, and breathed out furious sparks, biting through the tendrils and grinding them to paste as she wrenched herself out of the rock.

She was filthy now.

Today, Xiao Fen decided, was an awful day.

***​
"I am so, so sorry for this," Li Suyin bowed before them both, standing in the mouth of the tunnel. "I never imagined the assistive intelligence I installed into the arrays would become so… um… mischievous."

"Mischievous." Xiao Fen repeated dully. She squeezed her hair in her hands unmindful of the needles prickling her palms. Frothy pinkish muck was wrung out, splattering on the rock.

"She, um, didn't mean to harm anyone. I cultivated her from a moon fairy with some assistance from an expert, but I thought I'd instilled proper behavior guidelines during the growth process," Li Suyin said swiftly. Under her arm was a small cage-like one that might be used for a bird.

Inside it was a winking, bobbing coin of ethereal silver light. Xiao Fen glowered at it. She did not sense contrition at all.

"You're uh… you're actually doing all that artificial spirit stuff people talk about, Senior Sister?" Liu Xin asked. He too was drenched in… fluids.

"Of course, the Duchess has shown there so many fascinating avenues to take, and my impurity research has revealed many routes not particularly well explored. The synergy with automaton and reactive formation research is quite high," Li Suyin said cheerfully. "Um, but yes. She didn't intend any harm. I don't know what came over her…"

Xiao Fen's eyes narrowed. She knew. An expert. She knew well that Li Suyin had been housing a certain dreaming moon spirit for some time.

Even now… Ling Qi was still toying with her.
We must CULTIVATE this annoyance!!!! Its so delicious!!!
 
We're bullying Xiao Fen by proxy from a distance without even knowing?
I'm not sure if i should be delighted (that it is happening) or horrified (that we don't get to be there).
 
To focus a moment on the research itself though....
With the creation of artificial spirits added to her repertoire on top of being able to mess with teleporting stuff...
On top of her Li clan body shaping art, the hill tribe automaton stuff, the impurity research, That research into grooming spirit beasts from birth to become Kamen Rider Super Sentai, lessons from an elder on medicine, the formation craft stuff that shes shown a talent for, the house construction projects, and all that spider stuff she picked up from Bao Qingling...

Li Suyin has a pretty busy portfolio of mad science.
 
Tis interesting that she believes its entirely a facade, instead of just how she is when she isn't making people regret their continued existence. Though considering her upbringing, I guess its not particularly surprising.

It's really not, cause it seems in Thousand Lakes power = pride or confidence. Any perceived indicator of weakness, like lack of confidence and pride, will be taken either as a sign of some serious real underlying weakness or a deception of it. Look how Meizhen's father is looked at. Look how much Xia Anxi was afraid of any of his "weaknesses" being known.

So if you visibly lack pride or confidence, then you are either weak enough to not be able to remove such an obvious weakness... or if you are obviously still strong, then you are just faking weakness.

And there is some truth to that. Li Suyin's personality is pretty rare among the cultivators we know. Pretty much everybody else Ling Qi knows (including herself) is either confident or trying to fake it until they make it.
 
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