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[X] The future lies at the intersection between reality and perception. By Communication, perception is changed; by perception, reality shape is carved, chip by chip.
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Yes you can, trivially.
It's called "object permanence" and is a rather important developmental milestone you appear to have skipped.
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[X] The future lies at the intersection between reality and perception. By Communication, perception is changed; by perception, reality shape is carved, chip by chip.
Ling Qi is a hands on girl. We can leave the idealism to CRX.
Ling Qi is a hands on girl. We can leave the idealism to CRX.
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It could all have been delusion/dream/trick/etc. Solipsism is, in fact, the most logical position, just an utterly useless one.
That isn't what's being talked right now though. The problem isn't "Is the ball I'm perceiving real?", it's "does it stop existing when I don't look at it".
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[X] The future lies at the intersection between reality and perception. By Communication, perception is changed; by perception, reality shape is carved, chip by chip.
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The ball is gone when you look back. Did it exist if the only evidence you have is it is the memory?
You suddenly notice a ball. How long was it there without you noticing it?
You look away and someone replaces the ball with one of the same color and size. Is it the same ball, because you do not perceive and difference between when you looked away and when you looked back?
You look back at the ball but you notice something about it you did not before, and perceive it as having been replaced by a different ball. Was it?
Epistemology is about understanding the limits of knowledge. It's only trivial if you don't bother to dig into it.
Yes. If child answers differently past the age of 4, go seek professional help for potential developmental problems. Object permanence is an important marker.
I don't know, but that doesn't mean it just started existing when I looked at it. There are plenty more compelling theories than "it was spontaniously generated by my attention.
No, it is a different ball. Again, not something remotely difficult to answer or relevant to your whole "nothing exists unless I perceive it" spiel.
Again, irrelevant to your claim that the ball stopped existing when I looked away.
Kinda funny how none of your hypotheticals would even work in the model of reality you initially started with, actually, given that no one would even be there to do any ball replacing shenanigans unless I see them.
Epistemology is indeed very fun to ponder. Shame that at some point you seem to have grossly misunderstood it, mixed it with a bit of popsci quantum magic, and now attempt to pass the resulting mess off as legitimate philosophy.
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I think there's a place for idealism in Ling Qi's way...but this isn't it. Communication is basically a tool to Ling Qi, though a vitally important one, and its practical effects are the thing she wants enshrined in her Way.
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If you got past personal insults and developmental psychology you might learn something. Pity you cannot see past assuming your conclusions.
I have not insulted you personally. That your stated philosophy requires one to lack object permanence is objective fact. As is that your attempt to bring quantum uncertainty into things is very much the popsci understanding of it and not how it is actually understood by physicists, which others have already attempted to educate you on.
And the hypocricy in "I pity you for not learning and assuming your conclusions" when you are the one here denying the most basic facts of reality based entirely on your attempt to force your own misunderstanding of well trodden philosophical ground on others is just the cherry on top, really.
[X] The future lies at the intersection between reality and perception. By Communication, perception is changed; by perception, reality shape is carved, chip by chip.
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[X] The future lies at the intersection between reality and perception. By Communication, perception is changed; by perception, reality shape is carved, chip by chip.
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[X] The future lies at the intersection between reality and perception. By Communication, perception is changed; by perception, reality shape is carved, chip by chip.
We live in a certain lifeworld, cause and effect things are real. Certain events, even when they happen outside of our immediate perception have consequences for us.
I walk away from my tent in woods far enough to not hear the treefall, and then return to see that it fell on my tent and wrecked my things in meantime. The tree existed before, the Dire Beaver or Rapid Rot that caused it to fall also existed before. They've interacted with tree and caused the tree to fall and to interact with my tent in a destructive manner. My things are wrecked. These are not discrete events "my tent is perceived by me before I leave" > "I perceive my tent as radically rearanged with the inclusion of the fallen tree", that exist separately from each other. There were causes and effects back here while I was spirit-seeking in the deep woods to the soundtrack from brave little toaster from my cd player.
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[X] Truth and lies are merely notes within the human register, from them is born perception, from perception descends reality, an orator must wield words as carefully as a master wields their blade.
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We also know there is at least one effect that did not have a cause, because our universe appears to have a starting point.
...That the universe started does not mean that the universe starting is causeless.
"the Big Bang singularity" was presumably some state in which our concepts of space and time would not make sense. So the concept of "before the Bang" is not really applicable. (I do not want to talk about the alternatives, multiverses and so on as I don't know anything about them really).
Still, the bang itself had been a very big cause for everything else since then, and I am not aware that this could be extrapolated to any other event in our "now we have space and time"-universe
(extrapolated as in "well, just as the Big Bang, the creation of N also does not have any cause" - I believe there are no such Ns)