Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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There's still the issue of how to feed any sizable population of Xuan Wu
Flying sheep! And we just so happen to have sleep that almost fly.

Given the tales of the origins of the Cloud, Ruin and Liberation's talk here, and the myths around the Starson (the Cloud's Tsu/Yao/Zhi) centering around him fighting dragons, I suspect the ancestors of the Cloud were part of the escalating response against the abuses of the Dragon Gods. The Moon didn't awaken Big Momma to slap them down as step one. She did that after all other options had failed.
Yeah, I suggested this on Discord too a while back. Probably one of the earlier responses, since they don't seem to have the global scale you'd expect from the later escalations.
 
I love those bouncy sheep, their existence brings a smile to me.
We've been theory-crafting ways to implement our local resources to our guard's panoply, and the bouncy wool is a very obvious last-resort life-saving talisman. I think I even wrote up a description for it somewhere...
I'll edit it in if I find it
 
Year 46, Month 1 Arc 4-2
"Only a few things yet, I admit. I was long wary to hear him, before certain events forced my hand," Ling Qi admitted. "Though… I'm sure you can tell I have… invited his attention."

Jia Hong nodded, stroking his beard and looking her up and down. "Your domain weapon. Potent reagents form in the flowing blood of the physical shell, but that is not enough to access the true Echoing prison, the heresy buried in twisted time."

"It is not. I admit, I thought little of it for a long time after."

"Most will, after their sect days. Even doing as you did, no others had heard that old fellow's words," Jia Hong admitted casually. "One would need a certain knack for going where they are not welcome, and skulking through the passages of thought."

"Guilty," Ling Qi admitted, she decided she would dispense with dancing around his question. "He has taught me of multitude, spoken of the Pure One and his coming, and we have discussed the nature of truth and some finer points of crafting stories."

"As I would expect. Though there is more of him than that on you… Somewhere, somewhen, you drew more deeply on those motes of power sitting like river pebbles in your channels," Jia Hong said. "Reckless of you."

Ling Qi tilted her head, observing him curiously. "You don't say that with disapproval."

"I am not willing to engage in hypocrisy over such a small thing," Jia Hong shrugged idly. He turned resting his hand on the pillar of bone beside them, looking up toward the ceiling. "Speak the message then, Junior Sister. Out of respect, I will hear the request of the Prison of Echoes."

Ling Qi nodded slowly. In truth, she had been concerned about this ever since Huisheng had set her the task. Jia Hong, patriarch of the clan and one of the Duchess' inner circle of companions, alongside those such as Diao Linqin and the Heron General Xia ren herself…

She did not know what such a person would be like, but approaching him this way was bold of her, and could certainly have harmed her if he had chosen to reject her claim of connection.

"I was told to ask you of the nightmares which nearly drowned the Truth, the final gambit of the Supreme Master of Lies," Ling Qi spoke carefully, doing her best to speak the exact cadence and implication of tone in each of Huisheng's words as she repeated them. That title at the end especially… it tasted of oil and blood, and worse still the fragrant ambrosia of bliss bringing lotus petals, a consuming nirvana of absolute delusion.

A shadow crossed Jia Hong's face, a flash of overwhelming zeal and long-banked rage, and the cold shadow of sorrow and crushing grief. For just a second, she smelled burning ashes and blood and the tears of countless mourners.

"Ha! Well, he's never one to ask small things of his student hm?" Jia Hong laughed aloud. "I'm sure you've seen the plays. The nightmares of fear and paranoia and mindless rage, the raw emotions of a man lashing out like a beast without thought, these things do not answer to Truth and never have."

When he first spoke to me of the Pure one, he began to spin a tale of just so, of a wicked king who would not accept reason and a monk who laid down his life to convince. I told him then as well that I am not so young that I need to hear the small lies told for the sake of children," Ling Qi said quietly. "A play for the public…Well, I suppose it can't be a lie, bearing her Grace's visage."

"It cannot," Jia Hong said. "Such a thing existing under her light would be an offense as sure as disputing a White Serpent's right to rule over their lower branches. There is no lie. You know some of the things which lurk in the deep liminal."

"The Forever King, it was his realm bubbling to the surface behind the battles in the Wall, which I passed on my journey south to understand."

"All is as it has ever been, and as it ever shall be, all change, all roads circle back to their beginnings. Nightmare of Stasis and Thrones," Jia Hong said lightly. "Oh yes. But do you truly understand what creatures such as they are?"

"A kind of great spirit I suppose, but proscribed in worship," Ling Qi said, frowning.

"No. They are less and more than that, the Primal Nightmares. Some relate to the Ascended, their purviews interlocking. Unity of Blades is built upon the Foundation of the Other, the Nightmare of strangers and traitors and the unfitting. But even Unity of Blades was once a man, as the Bountiful Earth was once a man. The primal nightmares were never such. No one set out to cultivate them.

Jia Hong spoke thoughtfully his hand on the pillar, his voice was easy, rhythmic, and near magnetic. It was difficult even to contemplate distraction, to hear anything but what he was saying, fixing her attention on his face.

"Every Way, even those devoted to deceit, is a form of truth. It is your truth, but a truth all the same. Even if it is only a truth in your own heart just yet. Thus, it can be challenged, it has limits, context, and definition. A great Spirit in theory could be extinguished. Its worshippers destroyed, its faith crushed, its Way refuted, erased by successive ascensions.

Primal nightmares are merely the expressions of the basest instincts of men in this tainted cradle, the things that simmer beneath reason and consciousness. You cannot end them, cannot kill them, so long as minds exist to birth them anew. They are painfully simple and painfully incoherent, and thus not a danger save to liminal travelers who do not know where they should not set foot. Their power is a terrible, corrosive thing brought fully to bear though. The Patriarch of the Hui was their master.

In truth, had our great lady not risen when she did… I think the old monster might have achieved the Eighth realm himself within a few more decades, and then, well, ha. I suppose I should have instead been witness to the terrible sword of Inexorable Justice and all the might of Empire coming down upon it rather than her Grace. The Justice of Emperors cares not for the nightmares of men, nor the protestations of their inferiors when roused to sufficient fury, any more than those nightmares care for truth. A much worse outcome in my opinion."

Ling Qi blinked and rocked back a step, the hold of his words on her mind fading with the sound of his voice. "Thoughtless reaction, fear, and hate then. These things truth cannot dispel, the play was clear enough on that. Is it really that simple?"

"And many other things besides," Jia Hong said. "If it were only fear and hate, those wondrous foundations to forward action, I might also call myself their master!"

He laughed, it was a deep belly laugh as if he had just made a hilarious joke. "That is the easy answer. The 'lies to children' as you say. How to explain the masterwork of the Patriarch of Lies? The web he wove, the mastery of all that terminates thought and induces the human mind to descend into the squealing survivalist madness that sleeps in us all when we feel death is scraping its nails across our flesh, even when we sit amidst luxury with full bellies and warm hands behind well-secured doors.

For surely outside is the Other, and he will take it all away if you do not strike him first.

For surely the Forever King will roll on over your broken corpse, no matter how you struggle

For surely to turn your head, to pause and think will bring the pounce of The One Behind

For surely The Emptiness yawns, to consume all in ultimate futility

For surely, the differing thoughts of your neighbor are but the marks of the Plagued Man, who shall consume you if not warded off."

He turned to face her, smiling brightly, eyes boring into hers. "But then, Junior Sister, you do know some of that madness, do you not? I see the furrows it has left in you, as sure as a warrior's battle scars. You come by them honestly, but you should know by now that even men wrapped in silk and jewels may deem themselves to be struggling beggars when they find themselves down a few coins."

Ling Qi pursed her lips. It wasn't something she thought of often, but… yes, people often fooled themselves into thinking they were struggling far more than they were. It was… probably why her blade worked as well as it did, even on those who had never felt the yawning ache of an empty belly, or stood on the edge of death, or lived days wholly alone, only able to rely on themselves. Because even if they had never felt those things, their minds still instinctively recoiled from the loss. They recognized the empty pit of isolation, even if they had never clawed their way out of it before.

"I do know it, are you saying such a thing can really undermine her grace's truth?" Ling Qi asked quietly. "All it takes to hide from her light is… mindless panic and kneejerk reaction, magnified with the power of a Sovereign?"

"Is that all," Jia Hong chuckled. "As if it is a small thing, to be able to effectively wield those nightmares without becoming an empty vessel for them. But no. It is not enough, because her Grace is not alone, as you know well.

Do you not recall the play? When Truth marries to Empathy when Multitude and Unity harmonize, it becomes the Ideal, and that is as much a fearsome and unkillable thing as any nightmare."

"...You're not just speaking of the Prime Minister or yourselves," Ling Qi said with furrowed brows.

"I am not. Hah! The Four Heavenly Kings, what an amusing name, not lie nor truth. Many others stood with us, but they are left behind, forgotten, there is not enough room in a good tale for so many names," Jia Hong said cheerfully. "What history will speak of the man who lead resistance to the Hui in Xiangmen for a hundred years before us, brutal and uncompromising, who threw open the defenses of the roots at our approach. None, for he knelt before her Grace and asked the mercy of annihilation in body and memory for all he had done.

Who will speak of the countless organizers, the couriers, the spies, the ones who funneled us materials and were caught and tortured to death for their temerity, often handed in by their own families? None. None and None. Not I, for to bring them up name by name would have destroyed our morale, broken our budding defiance, and now it would remind the clans of how much of their wretched obstruction and betrayals we worked around."

"...I can understand all of that, I think," Ling Qi said slowly. "It's true. A story can only have so many characters, I've thought about that, and how it twines with the truths of history, but I am not sure how it relates to my question."

"You do not see it?" Jia Hong said, sounding mildly disappointed.

AN: These ones continue to run pretty long, we'll get to the vote in the next one, I promise lol.
 
And thus do you lie with the Truth.

Oh yes, there were Four Heavenly Kings. Oh yes, the struggle was great and epic but also clearly the heroic actions of a small band of comrades and compatriots who remade the world into a better one.

Oh yes, if there are Four Heavenly Kings, then that there is one paramount, that all of everything can rest in a single hand merely held aloft by others...

Oh yes, if there are Four Heavenly Kings, then the clans can merely present themselves as helpless, lacking the heroes that would let them overthrow the Hui, rather than the fact of centuries of resistance merely culminating in someone prepared and able to take advantage (said in this case in a non-pejorative sense, though this can change) of the moment...

Oh yes, if her name is Revolution then she must at once know how Revolution actually works... and yet also know how it must present itself for the convenience of its triumph. And then, oh yes, if her name is Revolution and she has been cloaking herself in the honest "Truths", and by now severed so many of her bonds, but not all of them, than this Revolution unbound could only ever become something false, perverted, and even sick, because those people, those conditions, those situations that actually made it a Revolution have been forgotten.

At best you have baseless, senseless, cruel adventurism. At worst you have the absolute world-shattering tyranny of a deified God.
 
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Who will speak of the countless organizers, the couriers, the spies, the ones who funneled us materials and were caught and tortured to death for their temerity, often handed in by their own families? None. None and None. Not I, for to bring them up name by name would have destroyed our morale, broken our budding defiance, and now it would remind the clans of how much of their wretched obstruction and betrayals we worked around."

As someone who knows first hand how dangerous it is to lend any sort of support to revolutionaries in
an authoritarian state…yeah. You usually become a statistic forgotten by both sides.

Great chapter Yrs.
 
It seems an inherent contradiction, really.

She is Revolution, that is her Word and all of that. But a single person does not make a Revolution. No at the very smallest a group of people take advantage and act to turn the conditions towards what they think is a better end than whatever ruin faces them.

Yet, when her wife dies... what will Shenhua be? Alone.

Alone, at the top without peer, that's... that cannot actually be Revolution in a true and meaningful way, the way it was when Shenhua actually did overthrow the Hui in what actually was a Revolution.
 
Very interesting to hear that Emperor An would have likely struck down the Hui, if Shenhua had not done it first.

"What history will speak of the man who lead resistance to the Hui in Xiangmen for a hundred years before us, brutal and uncompromising, who threw open the defenses of the roots at our approach. None, for he knelt before her Grace and asked the mercy of annihilation in body and memory for all he had done.

Lu Tian T_T.
 
Very interesting to hear that Emperor An would have likely struck down the Hui, if Shenhua had not done it first.

We did already knew that, Jiao told us that they had a plans in progress before Shenhua arrived =D.
Also, I think there was a Side Story of Jiao doing a report on Shenhua, which also mentioned that.



Anyways, yeah, really liked the chapter, and that ending does sound omnious =D.
 
…To make an ideal exist, the men who sacrificed themselves, who sacrifice themselves, who will sacrifice themselves to make it work…
And thus…Well, let's just say I could say something rather incindiary and there is a reason men can depose kings, think themselves kings, and regret that they destroyed their own kings in the past, all in a cycle.
 
So, the question is Hui Patriarch final gambit with nightmares. Question is not actually asked when Ling Qi said it, she just said she was to ask about it so I am not sure what she is supposed to see?

Is this similarity in Ideals and Nighmares? In the way that both Nightmares and Ideals don't care about nuance and in a way they become lies yet truth at the same time?

Who?
 
He's from this sidestory.

Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny) Original - Users' Choice!

Lost Legends: Shadows Cast by Webs Walking along the roots, Lu Tian tapped his cane against the wood, letting soft clacks echo down into the darkness. This area was vacant, but the dark shadows that the Hui had let grow here ensured that even the despondent avoided these roots, which suited him...
 
So, the question is Hui Patriarch final gambit with nightmares. Question is not actually asked when Ling Qi said it, she just said she was to ask about it so I am not sure what she is supposed to see?

Is this similarity in Ideals and Nighmares? In the way that both Nightmares and Ideals don't care about nuance and in a way they become lies yet truth at the same time?


Who?
Character from this user-created sidestory, I think: Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny) Original - Users' Choice!
 
"Only a few things yet, I admit. I was long wary to hear him, before certain events forced my hand," Ling Qi admitted. "Though… I'm sure you can tell I have… invited his attention."

Jia Hong nodded, stroking his beard and looking her up and down. "Your domain weapon. Potent reagents form in the flowing blood of the physical shell, but that is not enough to access the true Echoing prison, the heresy buried in twisted time."

"It is not. I admit, I thought little of it for a long time after."

"Most will, after their sect days. Even doing as you did, no others had heard that old fellow's words," Jia Hong admitted casually. "One would need a certain knack for going where they are not welcome, and skulking through the passages of thought."
Good to know how easy to sense his marks are. Most people couldn't but those who remember and have the senses to detect it can catch it, but that's a rare few people.

"Guilty," Ling Qi admitted, she decided she would dispense with dancing around his question. "He has taught me of multitude, spoken of the Pure One and his coming, and we have discussed the nature of truth and some finer points of crafting stories."

"As I would expect. Though there is more of him than that on you… Somewhere, somewhen, you drew more deeply on those motes of power sitting like river pebbles in your channels," Jia Hong said. "Reckless of you."

Ling Qi tilted her head, observing him curiously. "You don't say that with disapproval."

"I am not willing to engage in hypocrisy over such a small thing," Jia Hong shrugged idly. He turned resting his hand on the pillar of bone beside them, looking up toward the ceiling. "Speak the message then, Junior Sister. Out of respect, I will hear the request of the Prison of Echoes."

Ling Qi nodded slowly. In truth, she had been concerned about this ever since Huisheng had set her the task. Jia Hong, patriarch of the clan and one of the Duchess' inner circle of companions, alongside those such as Diao Linqin and the Heron General Xia ren herself…

She did not know what such a person would be like, but approaching him this way was bold of her, and could certainly have harmed her if he had chosen to reject her claim of connection.
Sometimes you gotta be reckless.

"I was told to ask you of the nightmares which nearly drowned the Truth, the final gambit of the Supreme Master of Lies," Ling Qi spoke carefully, doing her best to speak the exact cadence and implication of tone in each of Huisheng's words as she repeated them. That title at the end especially… it tasted of oil and blood, and worse still the fragrant ambrosia of bliss bringing lotus petals, a consuming nirvana of absolute delusion.

A shadow crossed Jia Hong's face, a flash of overwhelming zeal and long-banked rage, and the cold shadow of sorrow and crushing grief. For just a second, she smelled burning ashes and blood and the tears of countless mourners.

"Ha! Well, he's never one to ask small things of his student hm?" Jia Hong laughed aloud. "I'm sure you've seen the plays. The nightmares of fear and paranoia and mindless rage, the raw emotions of a man lashing out like a beast without thought, these things do not answer to Truth and never have."
Man that's an insanely touchy topic for Jia Hong.

"All is as it has ever been, and as it ever shall be, all change, all roads circle back to their beginnings. Nightmare of Stasis and Thrones," Jia Hong said lightly. "Oh yes. But do you truly understand what creatures such as they are?"

"A kind of great spirit I suppose, but proscribed in worship," Ling Qi said, frowning.

"No. They are less and more than that, the Primal Nightmares. Some relate to the Ascended, their purviews interlocking. Unity of Blades is built upon the Foundation of the Other, the Nightmare of strangers and traitors and the unfitting. But even Unity of Blades was once a man, as the Bountiful Earth was once a man. The primal nightmares were never such. No one set out to cultivate them.

Jia Hong spoke thoughtfully his hand on the pillar, his voice was easy, rhythmic, and near magnetic. It was difficult even to contemplate distraction, to hear anything but what he was saying, fixing her attention on his face.

"Every Way, even those devoted to deceit, is a form of truth. It is your truth, but a truth all the same. Even if it is only a truth in your own heart just yet. Thus, it can be challenged, it has limits, context, and definition. A great Spirit in theory could be extinguished. Its worshippers destroyed, its faith crushed, its Way refuted, erased by successive ascensions.

Primal nightmares are merely the expressions of the basest instincts of men in this tainted cradle, the things that simmer beneath reason and consciousness. You cannot end them, cannot kill them, so long as minds exist to birth them anew. They are painfully simple and painfully incoherent, and thus not a danger save to liminal travelers who do not know where they should not set foot. Their power is a terrible, corrosive thing brought fully to bear though. The Patriarch of the Hui was their master.

In truth, had our great lady not risen when she did… I think the old monster might have achieved the Eighth realm himself within a few more decades, and then, well, ha. I suppose I should have instead been witness to the terrible sword of Inexorable Justice and all the might of Empire coming down upon it rather than her Grace. The Justice of Emperors cares not for the nightmares of men, nor the protestations of their inferiors when roused to sufficient fury, any more than those nightmares care for truth. A much worse outcome in my opinion."
Well that's absolutely terrifying bot the nature of Primal Nightmares and the possibility of the Hui Patriarch becoming 8th Realm.

Ling Qi blinked and rocked back a step, the hold of his words on her mind fading with the sound of his voice. "Thoughtless reaction, fear, and hate then. These things truth cannot dispel, the play was clear enough on that. Is it really that simple?"

"And many other things besides," Jia Hong said. "If it were only fear and hate, those wondrous foundations to forward action, I might also call myself their master!"

He laughed, it was a deep belly laugh as if he had just made a hilarious joke. "That is the easy answer. The 'lies to children' as you say. How to explain the masterwork of the Patriarch of Lies? The web he wove, the mastery of all that terminates thought and induces the human mind to descend into the squealing survivalist madness that sleeps in us all when we feel death is scraping its nails across our flesh, even when we sit amidst luxury with full bellies and warm hands behind well-secured doors.

For surely outside is the Other, and he will take it all away if you do not strike him first.

For surely the Forever King will roll on over your broken corpse, no matter how you struggle

For surely to turn your head, to pause and think will bring the pounce of The One Behind

For surely The Emptiness yawns, to consume all in ultimate futility

For surely, the differing thoughts of your neighbor are but the marks of the Plagued Man, who shall consume you if not warded off."
LQ has gotten a good look at that kind of thing through her fight with Still Waters.

He turned to face her, smiling brightly, eyes boring into hers. "But then, Junior Sister, you do know some of that madness, do you not? I see the furrows it has left in you, as sure as a warrior's battle scars. You come by them honestly, but you should know by now that even men wrapped in silk and jewels may deem themselves to be struggling beggars when they find themselves down a few coins."

Ling Qi pursed her lips. It wasn't something she thought of often, but… yes, people often fooled themselves into thinking they were struggling far more than they were. It was… probably why her blade worked as well as it did, even on those who had never felt the yawning ache of an empty belly, or stood on the edge of death, or lived days wholly alone, only able to rely on themselves. Because even if they had never felt those things, their minds still instinctively recoiled from the loss. They recognized the empty pit of isolation, even if they had never clawed their way out of it before.
It's a big part of LQ's cultivation.

"I do know it, are you saying such a thing can really undermine her grace's truth?" Ling Qi asked quietly. "All it takes to hide from her light is… mindless panic and kneejerk reaction, magnified with the power of a Sovereign?"

"Is that all," Jia Hong chuckled. "As if it is a small thing, to be able to effectively wield those nightmares without becoming an empty vessel for them. But no. It is not enough, because her Grace is not alone, as you know well.

Do you not recall the play? When Truth marries to Empathy when Multitude and Unity harmonize, it becomes the Ideal, and that is as much a fearsome and unkillable thing as any nightmare."

"...You're not just speaking of the Prime Minister or yourselves," Ling Qi said with furrowed brows.

"I am not. Hah! The Four Heavenly Kings, what an amusing name, not lie nor truth. Many others stood with us, but they are left behind, forgotten, there is not enough room in a good tale for so many names," Jia Hong said cheerfully. "What history will speak of the man who lead resistance to the Hui in Xiangmen for a hundred years before us, brutal and uncompromising, who threw open the defenses of the roots at our approach. None, for he knelt before her Grace and asked the mercy of annihilation in body and memory for all he had done.

Who will speak of the countless organizers, the couriers, the spies, the ones who funneled us materials and were caught and tortured to death for their temerity, often handed in by their own families? None. None and None. Not I, for to bring them up name by name would have destroyed our morale, broken our budding defiance, and now it would remind the clans of how much of their wretched obstruction and betrayals we worked around."
People only pay attention to the big Names and people, not the little people who helped along the way.

"...I can understand all of that, I think," Ling Qi said slowly. "It's true. A story can only have so many characters, I've thought about that, and how it twines with the truths of history, but I am not sure how it relates to my question."

"You do not see it?" Jia Hong said, sounding mildly disappointed.
LQ isn't thinking about the supporters and "background characters.

As someone who knows first hand how dangerous it is to lend any sort of support to revolutionaries in
an authoritarian state…yeah. You usually become a statistic forgotten by both sides.

Great chapter Yrs.
Seeing it be given attention and respect is great.

It seems an inherent contradiction, really.

She is Revolution, that is her Word and all of that. But a single person does not make a Revolution. No at the very smallest a group of people take advantage and act to turn the conditions towards what they think is a better end than whatever ruin faces them.

Yet, when her wife dies... what will Shenhua be? Alone.

Alone, at the top without peer, that's... that cannot actually be Revolution in a true and meaningful way, the way it was when Shenhua actually did overthrow the Hui in what actually was a Revolution.
That terrible day when her wife dies will not be a good time for anyone. There's one more place for Shenhua/Revolution to go and that's to Ascend.
 
That terrible day when her wife dies will not be a good time for anyone. There's one more place for Shenhua/Revolution to go and that's to Ascend.
That is not actually the issue. A theoretical GS of Revolution would probably be a good thing. The issue is that Shenhua might not be able to ascend, and will instead turn from a genuine Revolution into a caricature of progress, a wheel spinning so fast it breaks apart.
 
That is not actually the issue. A theoretical GS of Revolution would probably be a good thing. The issue is that Shenhua might not be able to ascend, and will instead turn from a genuine Revolution into a caricature of progress, a wheel spinning so fast it breaks apart.
I think she has a similar problem to Jiao, in that if she went full revolution she woudl have to start attacking parts of the empire that would end up causing more destruction that benefit.
 
"Is that all," Jia Hong chuckled. "As if it is a small thing, to be able to effectively wield those nightmares without becoming an empty vessel for them. But no. It is not enough, because her Grace is not alone, as you know well.

Do you not recall the play? When Truth marries to Empathy when Multitude and Unity harmonize, it becomes the Ideal, and that is as much a fearsome and unkillable thing as any nightmare."
Just as the nightmares care not for Truth, nor does an Ideal, and sometimes you got to throw one at the other. Which is of course, easier said than done. Especially since Ideals are just that, ideal; not something that really exists. Though i guess in settings such as this, when concepts can and will throw down with other concepts, that distinction isn't quite as important as irl.

…or perhaps i'm just getting a bit lost in the sauce of all the conceptual philosophy talk about the nature of human existence.
 
Hmmm.

I was wondering what LQ's question was, since I couldn't remember what we'd actually been talking to Huisheng about months ago. Looking at things I was probably just misreading the update, and the question she was referring to was how the primal nightmares could challenge Shenhua's Truth.

But this is what she was discussing with Huisheng when he gave her this task:

The Truth which matters lives in the eyes and hearts of men. Will, belief, intent, agency. These things make a human from a doll of mud. The Truth of the Radiant is a thing outside the Thief of Hearts. It is a mindless thing of dust and turning gears and forces beyond men. It is the paring blade which trims away all threads which might spoil the tapestry. This is not wrong, for a choice to be made, for one thread to spin on, others must be clipped away, scattered scraps left on the side of the road. This is choice, the sacrifice of Sovereignty, the path the Nameless left us to adjust our broken cradle.

Sincerity, the disciple wears better. For a storyteller to matter, the audience must not only hear but Listen. This is the foundation to the Way of Speaking, as sure as a swordsman learns how to plant his feet.

Truth cuts away choice, truth arises from choice, what you make real in their hearts, when your words steal their doubts the way forged from that decision will become truth. This is a thief's answer.


Ling Qi looked up at him, frowning. She had seen what she could do with words, with them she had brought down a Sovereign. Evidence mattered, truth mattered… but only because, for a multitude of reasons, she was believed.

Sincerity I->II
Sincerity moves mountains, because the mountain itself chooses to move.

I don't know that I can turn my eyes fully from what you call Radiance. There must be a solid foundation upon which my words are built… else.
Else she risked the delusion which had gripped the province before the Duchess had come.
I'm kind of getting the vibe that a bunch of this revolves around what Shenhua's Truth actually is. Or at least, how LQ understands it to be. It's kind of hard to be sure though since LQ was bouncing around between a lot of musings in that update.

"I… I wonder where choice lies when deception flies. How much of a choice is meaningful if the one making it is deceived or ignorant?" Ling Qi spoke breaking her silence to speak aloud

Choice is choice. Without the eyes of He Who Was, who can truly say all that could affect their thoughts past and future can be known, clear and true? A thing which is untrue when spoken may be made true if it is convincing.

That is true, our summit… it was only a story, until it was not…


Ling Qi frowned to herself. No one really believed in them until it was done. Even their allies treated it like… the play of a child, a bit of indulgent training for Cai Renxiang. At most, they saw some chance at a quick material grab.

But it was done now, They had made it real, made it true. They had made it advantageous for the nobility of the southern Emerald Seas to make it true, and so they did.

But Huisheng was not done.

Truth… I feel what She Who Walks in Radiance has done. She is an eternal scouring moment. That is the pitiless truth in radiance, which your thoughts skirt around, why you fear and are drawn toward such absolutes. But it is not your battle.

She glanced up at him in surprise.

That is for another to confront, and break upon the wheel of their own understanding. The little thief chose rightly, breaking that brick to pieces before it was too deep set. Your eyes are on should and will be, not is.

Clarity that your words are understood. Sincerity, that they are trusted.

Abandon the scraps of radiant truth.

hmmmmm
 
That is not actually the issue. A theoretical GS of Revolution would probably be a good thing. The issue is that Shenhua might not be able to ascend, and will instead turn from a genuine Revolution into a caricature of progress, a wheel spinning so fast it breaks apart.
I think she has a similar problem to Jiao, in that if she went full revolution she woudl have to start attacking parts of the empire that would end up causing more destruction that benefit.

I think it's even worse than that. Like, it's also that, but actual Revolution doesn't work like that, and so what she'd be doing is a parody of Revolution, a non-genuine and thus genuinely broken version of the Truth that she believes.

Revolution isn't just "when nobles plot against their overlords." It isn't that at all, honestly.

So the only outcome is collapse.
 
"I am not. Hah! The Four Heavenly Kings, what an amusing name, not lie nor truth. Many others stood with us, but they are left behind, forgotten, there is not enough room in a good tale for so many names," Jia Hong said cheerfully. "What history will speak of the man who lead resistance to the Hui in Xiangmen for a hundred years before us, brutal and uncompromising, who threw open the defenses of the roots at our approach. None, for he knelt before her Grace and asked the mercy of annihilation in body and memory for all he had done.

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"Calm. Kindness. Kinship. Love. I've given up all chance at inner peace. I've made my mind a sunless space. I share my dreams with ghosts. I wake up every day to an equation I wrote 15 years ago from which there's only one conclusion, I'm damned for what I do. My anger, my ego, my unwillingness to yield, my eagerness to fight, they've set me on a path from which there is no escape. I yearned to be a savior against injustice without contemplating the cost and by the time I looked down there was no longer any ground beneath my feet.
What is my sacrifice?
I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else's future. I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I'll never see. And the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude.
So what do I sacrifice?
Everything!"
 
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Who will speak of the countless organizers, the couriers, the spies, the ones who funneled us materials and were caught and tortured to death for their temerity, often handed in by their own families? None. None and None. Not I, for to bring them up name by name would have destroyed our morale, broken our budding defiance, and now it would remind the clans of how much of their wretched obstruction and betrayals we worked around."
Part of me wants to build a monument to these lost souls anyway, and fuck any fuckheads among the clans who'd be offended. Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
 
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