Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest

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LightLan said:
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Thanks. Will still wait for Neablis to actually confirm if it works and maybe try working out some other additions/changes. But I might just vote for your plan in the end. I've gotten used to lenghty write-ins for diplomacy in this quest, but yours seems to have basically the same intent as what I was going for by copying Alectai's write-in. Just in a very compact form.
 
[] Old Ship: W

[X] Plan: Ancient Protector
-[X] Charge towards Aerithon
--[X] Send the destroyers ahead at maximum speed to defend the station. Sacrifice them if it helps.
--[X] Send the engineers guidance on re-activating the station defenses.
--[X] Immediately open communications with the Eldar vessel using their language, introducing yourself as Vita of the Stellar Federation, and politely question their intentions in Denvan space. If they're willing to have a dialogue you are! If they're not, make sure they know that the rapidly approaching voidcraft are your way of emphasizing that you want them to stay clear of the Aerithon platforms.
-[X] Delay Exploration action for QM-approved sub-divided action (Research/Construction)
--[X] 50 RP Research the Candle (below)
---[X] Candle (1450 void BP, 1 ship construction slot) Destroyer, Hull 450 BP 1600x350 meters. 8 gravities of acceleration. Medium armor, Medium Shields. Living Space, Psychic Shields (100 BP) 2 Light Macrocannon batteries, 2 light lance battery. High-maneuverability thrusters.
--[X] Build 4 Candle (1450 * 4 = 5800 BP)

Nightlord256 said:
Instead of a 2nd light lance, what about a single medium lance? It would give the ship sharper teeth against larger targets and give the speed / maneuverability of the ship it would be able to control the range well against non eldar vessels down the road.
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I was a fan of that approach until I saw it mentioned that hitting small ships was a function of small weapons - that is, a medium lance is (probably) better at punching up, but it's worse at punching fellow escorts, which ISTM is a main use of lances?

That said, I would certainly not refuse to support that design. (And I'd prefer it over my draft if I understood lance hitscan to be reliable regardless of mount size.)

EDIT: heck I'll offer the option.

[X] Plan: Ancient Protector w/ heavier lances
-[X] Charge towards Aerithon
--[X] Send the destroyers ahead at maximum speed to defend the station. Sacrifice them if it helps.
--[X] Send the engineers guidance on re-activating the station defenses.
--[X] Immediately open communications with the Eldar vessel using their language, introducing yourself as Vita of the Stellar Federation, and politely question their intentions in Denvan space. If they're willing to have a dialogue you are! If they're not, make sure they know that the rapidly approaching voidcraft are your way of emphasizing that you want them to stay clear of the Aerithon platforms.
-[X] Delay Exploration action for QM-approved sub-divided action (Research/Construction)
--[X] 50 RP Research the Candle (below)
---[X] Candle (1450 void BP, 1 ship construction slot) Destroyer, Hull 450 BP 1600x350 meters. 8 gravities of acceleration. Medium armor, Medium Shields. Living Space, Psychic Shields (100 BP) 2 Light Macrocannon batteries, 1 medium lance battery. High-maneuverability thrusters.
--[X] Build 4 Candle (1450 * 4 = 5800 BP)

Nightlord256 said:
Ps - in the office today, so posting from my phone. Apologies for brevity
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Same, going to be tricky to make any vote adaptations over the day.


EDIT2: While weapons come out a little ahead with 4 hulls toughness is what I would call attention to. Each has double psy shield depth and maybe (?) double or more the void shield strength. Since we are asking for these to be the lineholders until the next generation launches that seems important.
 
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@Aineko, found it (relevant underlined):

Neablis said:
The damage scales superlinearly but not exponentially. A heavy weapon that costs 4x as much as a light weapon will do between 5-8x as much damage, and have better armor-penetration capabilities. However, it'll also be easier to dodge and generally worse against smaller craft. If you want to shoot destroyers 4x light weapons is better than 1x larger. If you want to shoot frigates and LCs the lights (think this should be mediums) are good and if you want to shoot heavy cruisers and up the heavies are good. There is another tier of "Ultra-heavy" weapons locked behind GC research that's for shooting GCs and BBs.

This is variously true on different weapons - if a battleship's shields are down and a destroyer gets in close even a light melta is going to do some damage, and a heavy lance still is pretty good against smaller ships because it's hitscan. Torpedoes are the epitome of this, since if a destroyer is still mobile it will dodge a heavy torpedo, though it might have to put itself into a compromising position to do so.
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So a medium lance is designed for use against Frigates and Light Cruisers, but with Hitscan is still pretty good against destroyers.
 
I would rather keep the in system monitors near the planet and more importantly near the station. Not to be alarmist, but say this is some Farseer who is moving against the Denva Project as a whole, the best way to slow them down with limited resources has nothing to do with the refueling stations at the edge of the system, they would have to blow up the Nest and the manufacturing in orbit of Denva. Eldar Stealth is very very good, but not I think good enough to sneak something large into range, so pulling away all assets in order to launch a single crippling blow makes sense.
 
Dmol8 said:
That's not how that works, instead paranoia is a state of being certain that the world is shit and it will rain shit on you.
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Oh i don't believe other wise, i was just having fun taking a side that was so far mostly ignored with few expectations(making sure the Admech didn't have anything in orbit before attacking them, good work guys by the way.)Sarcasm just doesn't go through text very well. That being said the world is shit and it is out to shit on Vita so do think a little paranoia is warranted even if It is in fact still paranoia even when people really are out to get you without it Vita might end up exposed to some danger that could have been avoided. Obviously going full paranoid is just a ticket to a life full of delusion and self sabotage but none of it(or at least a very healthy amount of skepticism) is just letting trouble walk up to you and letting it sucker punch you in the face i think.

[x] Old Ship: Denva Public
 
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DragonParadox said:
I would rather keep the in system monitors near the planet and more importantly near the station. Not to be alarmist, but say this is some Farseer who is moving against the Denva Project as a whole, the best way to slow them down with limited resources has nothing to do with the refueling stations at the edge of the system, they would have to blow up the Nest and the manufacturing in orbit of Denva. Eldar Stealth is very very good, but not I think good enough to sneak something large into range, so pulling away all assets in order to launch a single crippling blow makes sense.
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Is the station near the planet? Those seem like two different defense zones.
 
Aineko said:
Is the station near the planet? Those seem like two different defense zones.
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From what I can tell it is in Denva orbit along with all our void manufacturing. Blow that up and the cloud of debris will do at least significant damage to the ability of Denva to maintain a space presence, especially if the other ship also blows the rest of the manufacturing. To be clear I do not think it is likely that this is what's happening, it is a bit too pat and diabolus ex machina, if we had rolled better we would have been closer to the Eldar fleet we can see and I do not think an 80 would be worse than a 35.

On the other hand you never know and it just feels really unfomfortable to leave the planet compleately uncovered by mobile assets when we could be dealing with Dark Eldar as easily as a Farseer playing games. This is the Dark Eldar's bread and butter, they do not stand and fight, if one of them is fighting a battle something has gone deeply wrong and they would have an interest in the planet most of all because they are... you know soul eating slavers.

At the end of the day I do think that is anthing can save us here it's the diplomacy vote since that is what we are good at and if they do not know who we are being informed of that fact (in Eldari) might shock them into being resonable.
 
DragonParadox said:
From what I can tell it is in Denva orbit along with all our void manufacturing. Blow that up and the cloud of debris will do at least significant damage to the ability of Denva to maintain a space presence, especially if the other ship also blows the rest of the manufacturing. To be clear I do not think it is likely that this is what's happening, it is a bit too pat and diabolus ex machina, if we had rolled better we would have been closer to the Eldar fleet we can see and I do not think an 80 would be worse than a 35.

On the other hand you never know and it just feels really unfomfortable to leave the planet compleately uncovered by mobile assets when we could be dealing with Dark Eldar as easily as a Farseer playing games. This is the Dark Eldar's bread and butter, they do not stand and fight, if one of them is fighting a battle something has gone deeply wrong and they would have an interest in the planet most of all because they are... you know soul eating slavers.

At the end of the day I do think that is anthing can save us here it's the diplomacy vote since that is what we are good at and if they do not know who we are being informed of that fact (in Eldari) might shock them into being resonable.
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Or they will laugh "Monkeigh that can speak, how novel".
 
Neablis said:
The next item on your list is to go over all of the data that's been coming in from your observatory and use it to get a better feel for what's in the system. So far you have pretty rudimentary data from your shuttle and the information you've managed to pull from the local datanet and mechanicus databases. But the mechanicus hides so much from each other that you could fully believe there's a whole station up there that you hadn't spotted.

..annd there is one, though it's a ways away from the planet, at the L4 Lagrange point of Denva Secundus. That means it's following the planet around the sun at a considerable distance. At first you think you've gotten the numbers wrong, for it's showing up as way too large to be sensible. Nearly twenty kilometers across - which. You've seen stations that were bigger but not too many. That's core-world shit.
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The Station is at the Denva - Sun L4 Point not directly in orbit.
 
Prime 2.0 said:
We're still waiting on clarifications to the station defense reactivation dice roll, potential negative outcomes from the activation attempt, and whether or not delay tactics can improve its chances, for example.
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I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for here, but in order:
1. If you have them attempt to reactivate the station it'll be a flat dice roll but even a "success" will mix some good and some bad results.
2. Bad results likely means permanently damaged or detonating defense stations. There won't be a chain reaction or anything, but having them crash-reactivate the defense stations is likely to cause deaths unless you get a critical success. However those deaths won't be a large percentage unless you fail the roll.
3. Delay tactics might improve the chance of success, but it depends on rolls and how I chose to write it.

meianmaru said:
And copy-pasted the Candle's blueprint. Also, added a bit to getting Anexa and the tech-priest to handle activating the defenses, because I feel that might distract Vita from the negotiations if they happen. @Neablis is this fine?
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I was probably going to have that happen regardless if you voted to have them reactivate the defenses. Fine by me.

Nightlord256 said:
I believe that is correct, that hits scan makes the more reliable regardless of mount size. I think Neablis posted on this when we were designing the spark. Let me see if I can track it down on lunch.
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As noted later, yes. Light lances are still more effective against smaller ships, but the disparity is less.

Chipsy_21 said:
Also @Neablis does W retain juvenat access even if she doesn't get the ship?
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At least at the start. Who knows what political shenanigans might occur over decades?
 
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