Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Molly isn't a clued in celestial greeting a terrestrial, she's one inheritor of a dead era speaking with another. There's something more personal to this.
Hmm, yes playing more of an emotional angle instead of a formal one could help. They've both inherited something that Odin can't relate to even if he is old. If he thinks it's an Exaltation he's probably just looking at it as an asset with Molly as his basis for what to expect.

@Yog he has a point here. May want to modify your stunt a bit. Molly was evidently moved too so it would be very in character and the elder dragon blooded was aiming for that sort of emotional response.

Edit: Actually the more I think about it the more I'm pretty sure going for more of an emotional angle with the stunt instead of such a purely formal one could help us here.

Odin is very much an 'outsider' to this. He's a more modern faction of a newer age trying to take advantage of an opportunity rather than someone who is emotionally invested in the future of Exalted. If it turns out that he hasn't mentioned that taking the relic away from the dragon would screw them over in turn we could push this entirely truthful angle to even greater effectiveness.

From a political perspective the loss would be much lesser as to relations with Odin since this would also be an emotional matter pertaining to the future of Exalted. As we are Exalts we have more of a right as to what direction they go in than Odin here.
It seems that my intent didn't carry through in the vote. Because that was what I was going through, with one addition: proof. We don't just need to say "oh, we are also an inheritor of ancient power". We need to immediately and discerally prove that to an elder dragonblooded who a) almost certainly has social charms, and b) has no reason to trust us on the face of it - remember, we feel like an archdevil on vacation at first glance. Hence the use of the term exaltation (which Molly knows, and which Molly knows applies to dragonblooded too), and SCCP to carry on the intricacies of meaning.

Note that I am using an empathy excellency, not an etiquette one - it's meant to be an emotional appeal.

In terms of substance, I also offer more. Not just retreat to Sanctuary, which is admitting defeat and escaping the world - something which stubborn and prideful dragon's blood is unlikely to agree to easily, but also a place in the new world to come, and help in stocking the powers of their line.

I did edits to my vote (highlighted and underlined in the quote below):
[] Plan Peers
-[] Remove BMI, emotionally address Ragnhildur as a peer and a respected elder - one inheritor of ancient power to another
--[] SCCP for the explanation of the Wheel Turning, the object in dragon's belly powering their bloodline, and what you are offering, to carry through the intricacies of meaning, and as further proof of what you are saying
--[] Empathy excellency for the appeal, Occult excellency for the technical details of explanations
-[] Offer them
--[] Your geomantic expertise to improve the Dragon Nest you are now in, and the one the dragon is in, should they agree
--[] A chance to rest in Sanctuary
--[] A place in the Age to come
-[] Stunt: "Believe me, elder, I understand a lot about the Turning of the Wheel, and powers of Ages Past" you state, and with a barest effort of will, shatter Black Mirror encompassing you, the nature of your anima revealed to the world, the mark upon your brow shining bright. "I am happy to greet my honorable Exalted peer, one heir to another, and extend an offer of aid and words of caution at this turning of ages" you say in the language that predates even the dragons' blood, the words themselves proof of the sort of power you bear, the human emotion behind them adding substance and depth beyond what even the inhuman words were designed for.
--[] "Much has happened in the last year, and much is going to happen in coming ones. In the spirit of honesty, I offer you knowledge, so you may make choices with your eyes open. I offer you aid in this world and Sanctuary among my own people so you will not go quietly into the night" you state with determination, before launching into a detailed explanation of what's going on, what you offer, and what Odin's actions might do to them.
I really do think an overly formal tone is the wrong approach for us to take here. A Dragonblooded elder is baring her heart here, sure it's with intention but that doesn't inherently make it false. This should be more of a moment of connection that strikes a chord instead of a court introduction.

Also worth mentioning that our aura isn't exactly exalted coded. The caste mark is a lot more suitable in this role.

On the matter of proving our credentials; we can do that in the following scenes, we don't need to pack ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag here. Respond to the moment and make it our own, then we can get into the details.
It wasn't meant to be formal, which means I am a failure of a writer. And I feel that first impressions are super-important here. Which is why, if we make the claim, we need to immediately, in the same words, prove it beyond their very reasonable and ingrained doubts. We don't want them to think us lying.

On the substance of your vote - just Sanctuary offer is, I feel, a bad decision. Dragonblooded almost certainly have had the chance to retreat to NeverNever realms before. They are still stubbornly clinging to the world. Roaring their defiance to the inevitable, even as they dwindle down to nothing over uncontable generations. So, to make a good offer, we need to give them a way forward to glory, not just a way to gracefully admit defeat. Survival alone is not a good offer. We need to offer them life, the way to greatness again. Which is what I am trying to do. That's what "A place in the Age to come" part of my offer is about.
 
It seems that my intent didn't carry through in the vote. Because that was what I was going through, with one addition: proof. We don't just need to say "oh, we are also an inheritor of ancient power". We need to immediately and discerally prove that to an elder dragonblooded who a) almost certainly has social charms, and b) has no reason to trust us on the face of it - remember, we feel like an archdevil on vacation at first glance. Hence the use of the term exaltation (which Molly knows, and which Molly knows applies to dragonblooded too), and SCCP to carry on the intricacies of meaning.

Note that I am using an empathy excellency, not an etiquette one - it's meant to be an emotional appeal.

In terms of substance, I also offer more. Not just retreat to Sanctuary, which is admitting defeat and escaping the world - something which stubborn and prideful dragon's blood is unlikely to agree to easily, but also a place in the new world to come, and help in stocking the powers of their line.
Your vote reads like the complete opposite of your intent, and the excellency you added doesn't really make up for that. Speaking the language isn't really proof of anything either. It's something interesting, but not something solidly establishing anything.

I'm also using the term exalted and activating social charms, but I'm flaring Molly's caste mark instead, which is a much more indicative ability than her aura even if it isn't a sure thing. It's also completely independent of any other power she has so we don't need to deal looking like we're here to buy souls.


It wasn't meant to be formal, which means I am a failure of a writer. And I feel that first impressions are super-important here. Which is why, if we make the claim, we need to immediately, in the same words, prove it beyond their very reasonable and ingrained doubts. We don't want them to think us lying.

On the substance of your vote - just Sanctuary offer is, I feel, a bad decision. Dragonblooded almost certainly have had the chance to retreat to NeverNever realms before. They are still stubbornly clinging to the world. Roaring their defiance to the inevitable, even as they dwindle down to nothing over uncontable generations. So, to make a good offer, we need to give them a way forward to glory, not just a way to gracefully admit defeat. Survival alone is not a good offer. We need to offer them life, the way to greatness again. Which is what I am trying to do. That's what "A place in the Age to come" part of my offer is about.
This is a place to start thing.

What my stunt does is drop the warning about the dragon's importance to their survival to this point of the age in the context of her own metaphor to change the tone of things.

She basically said "we are alone, struggling up the mountain where we are not wanted and do not belong". Molly simultaneously warns her of the danger her deal carries and reveals that the Dragonblooded had family that supported them all along, even when they didn't see it. Even when they'd forgotten everything themselves echos of the past still carried on with them.

Then Molly brings out the claim of being another lost fragment of that time, descending the mountain along the same path and offering to help in a parallel to the stage we just set.

This isn't the end of our discussion, it's more important to set the emotional and human connection of this at first than it is to pack everything in at once. If they don't like just the offer of Sanctuary then we go into other stuff.

The whole peer to peer thing you've got going is pushing the wrong point at the wrong time, as is the immediate framing about the last year's worth of information.
 
This is a place to start thing.

What my stunt does is drop the warning about the dragon's importance to their survival to this point of the age in the context of her own metaphor to change the tone of things.

She basically said "we are alone, struggling up the mountain where we are not wanted and do not belong". Molly simultaneously warns her of the danger her deal carries and reveals that the Dragonblooded had family that supported them all along, even when they didn't see it. Even when they'd forgotten everything themselves echos of the past still carried on with them.

Then Molly brings out the claim of being another lost fragment of that time, descending the mountain along the same path and offering to help in a parallel to the stage we just set.

This isn't the end of our discussion, it's more important to set the emotional and human connection of this at first than it is to pack everything in at once. If they don't like just the offer of Sanctuary then we go into other stuff.

The whole peer to peer thing you've got going is pushing the wrong point at the wrong time, as is the immediate framing about the last year's worth of information.
I can see your point, I really can. But I don't want to just offer them retreat. I want to offer them triumph. Them and their patron. So his long suffering is validated not just in their survival, but in their growth where they are.
 
I can see your point, I really can. But I don't want to just offer them retreat. I want to offer them triumph. Them and their patron. So his long suffering is validated not just in their survival, but in their growth where they are.
That can come in the next part of the discussion. The conversation is going to evolve as things go; we need to do this part right, read her reaction, then do the next part.

The thing that typically causes your social write ins to struggle in my view is how they try to skip to the end. This is a dance, not a foot race.

Mind your feet, your partner, and the beat. Don't just sprint around the room dragging them behind you.
 
That can come in the next part of the discussion. The conversation is going to evolve as things go; we need to do this part right, read her reaction, then do the next part.

The thing that typically causes your social write ins to struggle in my view is how they try to skip to the end. This is a dance, not a foot race.

Mind your feet, your partner, and the beat. Don't just sprint around the room dragging them behind you.
I am unsure if there will be the next part of the discussion. It might get handled within one update - at least that's how I read the vote option. The basic options are to choose what to offer Dragonblooded. So, I think it's best to list everything we are offering in the vote.
 
I am unsure if there will be the next part of the discussion. It might get handled within one update - at least that's how I read the vote option. The basic options are to choose what to offer Dragonblooded. So, I think it's best to list everything we are offering in the vote.
What do you mean? We've never just been booted from a scene like that without some sort of provocation. We just started this discussion.

Even if that was the case I don't think your approach right now will work the way you want it to. Just like it didn't work out as intended in the scene before this, or the negotiation with the wizards before that.
 
What do you mean? We've never just been booted from a scene like that without some sort of provocation. We just started this discussion.

Even if that was the case I don't think your approach right now will work the way you want it to. Just like it didn't work out as intended in the scene before this, or the negotiation with the wizards before that.
It did actually work with wizards. Not everything worked, because we went for the least disruptive approach (talk to the elder wizards), but some things did.
 
It did actually work with wizards. Not everything worked, because we went for the least disruptive approach (talk to the elder wizards), but some things did.
The discussion we had before that was one where I pointed out we'd only get part of what we wanted and predicted what they'd be most likely to accept. We then went with your plan and tried to sell senior councilors we had available on everything we had for them, at which point they said the same thing I did and we went with a reduced proposal.

This is me doing the same thing again, but we don't have an IC filter to help us before the real deal this time.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 11, 2024 at 10:29 AM, finished with 48 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Plan Peers
    -[X] Remove BMI, emotionally address Ragnhildur as a peer and a respected elder - one inheritor of ancient power to another
    --[X] SCCP for the explanation of the Wheel Turning, the object in dragon's belly powering their bloodline, and what you are offering, to carry through the intricacies of meaning, and as further proof of what you are saying
    --[X] Empathy excellency for the appeal, Occult excellency for the technical details of explanations
    -[X] Offer them
    --[X] Your geomantic expertise to improve the Dragon Nest you are now in, and the one the dragon is in, should they agree
    --[X] A chance to rest in Sanctuary
    --[X] A place in the Age to come
    -[X] Stunt: "Believe me, elder, I understand a lot about the Turning of the Wheel, and powers of Ages Past" you state, and with a barest effort of will, shatter Black Mirror encompassing you, the nature of your anima revealed to the world, the mark upon your brow shining bright. "I am happy to greet my honorable Exalted peer, one heir to another, and extend an offer of aid and words of caution at this turning of ages" you say in the language that predates even the dragons' blood, the words themselves proof of the sort of power you bear, the human emotion behind them adding substance and depth beyond what even the inhuman words were designed for.
    --[X] "Much has happened in the last year, and much is going to happen in coming ones. In the spirit of honesty, I offer you knowledge, so you may make choices with your eyes open. I offer you aid in this world and Sanctuary among my own people so you will not go quietly into the night" you state with determination, before launching into a detailed explanation of what's going on, what you offer, and what Odin's actions might do to them.
    [X] Plan Forgotten Family
    -[X] Social buffs, FPoR
    -[X] Offer a chance to rest in sanctuary
    -[X] [Stunt]: As a deep sapphire note sang brightly in her soul, Molly met gaze of the dragon inside the woman before her. For a moment she almost felt familiar, like a childhood memory stumbled over in a flash of color or taste of home.
    —[X] "The wheel turns, and old things are new again, but it's worth remembering what remains in this one. The dragon which guards that treasure does not do it for its own sake; it holds that prize as a means of sustaining you. It may be perilous to descend the mountain alone"
    —[X] Allowing some of her hesitation to play across her face, Molly continues "I know because I'm also the inheritor of lost ages, if in a different way".
    —[X] With a sensation somewhere between raising her head and a Cobra flaring its hood the mark on Molly's forehead shimmered into existence, casting a shadow that almost seemed crowned with eyes.
    —[X] "I get the feeling we're supposed to know each other, that even if the exalted do not fit this world they do fit with each other"
    [X] Your geomantic expertise to improve the Dragon Nest you are now in
    [X] A chance to rest in Sanctuary
    -[X][Stunt] "This world might rebel against you, but there is another world suited to you."
 
Arc 15 Post 18: Choices of the Chosen New
Choices of the Chosen

26st of February 2007 A.D.

Though it's a risk, no way to know what else is walking around Iceland today, you allow the mark on your brow to burn with green flame through the mists of glamor. To Kristin you obviously look no different, but her grandmother looks down at the water, her expression twisting in horror, awe and fascination all at once, over in a heartbeat. What does she see you wonder, vowing not to be misunderstood again. So when you speak it is in a tongue that brooks no confusion, even if it be at the price of all the softness of language.

"[Greetings Scion of Ten Thousand Dragons...]" Those words, they hold terrible sorrow you don't understand, the seeds of ancient bitterness that still less can you name. "[I perceive-true the turn-to-come. Much has happened in the last turn-of-earth around the lesser-radiance. I offer insight, Sanctuary-of-soul-self that you not pass into the Hunger-Beyond]"

It's only when you get to the last bit that you realize you had, half-by-accident, made two promises instead of one, to preserve the blood of the dragon from fading out of the world and from the darkness that infects the Black Court, they are the same after all, one is simply a more direct manifestation of the other.

"[Not of the Five Poles are thee, Earth/solid, Wind/gas, Water/liquid, Flame/plasma Wood/life]? What are thee?]"

"[Myself. I am as I seek to become, my-parents-daughter, my sibling's-sibling, a friend to friends and-foe-to-foes, a perfect mirror my eyes are not for I have better use of them.]"

"Query of Essence not ambition,"
Ragnhildur

Briefly you are tempted to ask how on earth someone is meant to separate the two? If you weren't the person you are you wouldn't want the things you want?

But that is not really what she's asking. It's the same question you asked Uriel months ago.

"Exalted/Chosen." You hesitate, it both does and doesn't fit like an object twisted at an angle that doesn't exist in three dimensions. "Kin."

"[Of what Chosen/By Whom Exalted?]"

Such a simple question, so reasonable coming from one whose kinship to the Dragon of Fire is so clear. Until that very moment it didn't occur to you to wonder at the question. No, you admit, better to say I did not like to ponder it, you admit. All the answers are as twisted and uncanny, born of feverish dreams or the mouths of Outsiders. If anyone would recognize the names it would be this woman, in this place, the hot breath of the earth blowing all around you. But do you want to claim those names, that half understood history of war and dominion under a shade-less sky?

[] I am of the Essence of Theion-Who-Was

[] I am of Elder Essence

[] I am of Green-Sun-Fire Essence

[] [Lie] Claim you know nothing of whence your power comes

[] Write in


OOC: Enjoy
 
Oh boy. Oh boy. Yeah, that is a question to ponder. I am super-hesitant to invoke the name of Theion, in the speech of Primordials with our caste mark burning. That might well be a short way to have an angelic intervention. Because he might hear. The dragon's blood might hear. Or maybe I am overthinking it.

Still, this is something I should have anticipated.

So, as far as I can see:
Theion-that-Was - roll Occult excellency, explain details. Risks are:
a) Dragonblooded still having some sort of lore about Primordials. Very unlikely.
b) Triggering past lives background in the elder. Very unlikely. But possible.
c) Someone or something reacting to the name. Possibly Malfean Neverborn. Possibly Pyrothrax or Ferrovax. Possibly Uriel or some other angel.

Elder Essence - middle road.

Green-Sun-Fire Essence - like Theion, but more yozi and with higher risks. At least some lore of Green Sun Princes survives to this day, as demonstrated by Mab. Chances of dragonblooded having something about this are higher than about Theion.

@DragonParadox how are we even able to invoke Theion's name? We know him as Empyreal Chaos. We know him as "Father Who Was Murder" (unless that refers to another Yozi). Do we know him as he was? Is it a bonus of SCCP?

Also do I understand right that by claiming Theion-that-Was we'll be referring to the Primordial, not to the Yozi Malfeas?

I am so very tempted.
 
But do you want to claim those names, that half understood history of war and dominion under a shade-less sky?
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I want to stop hiding, even less to kin.

[x] I am of the Essence of Theion-Who-Was

Molly is on the Devil tiger path, so the correct answer is

[x] "Myself"

That is not the answer to her question, yet at least.

Molly is not a full devil tiger yet.
 
[x] I am of the Essence of Theion-Who-Was

Bluntly speaking, Molly throwing around ebon dragon charm's basically outside on our last adventure didn't catch anything's attention until something deliberately summoned an angel?
Past life memories could be fun too
 
[x] I am of the Essence of Theion-Who-Was
Yes, honestly, we don't have full information and this is the closest to the truth. The full answer is of course the essence of the Unconquered Sun and the altered by power of Theion. But... Molly doesn't know the first part.
 
Yes, honestly, we don't have full information and this is the closest to the truth. The full answer is of course the essence of the Unconquered Sun and the altered by power of Theion. But... Molly doesn't know the first part.
Well, Unconquered Sun was forged by Theion, who, at least in some texts is referred to as his father. So, in a very Greek sense, Theion-that-Was is correct even with full knowledge.

In any case, ok... What's the worst that can happen? ... As it happens, the worst that can happen is probably angelic intervention. Or Neverborn intervention.

[x] I am of the Essence of Theion-Who-Was
 
I honestly don't think the Yozis are dead. They may be in cacatonia, but they're not dead. Because there are mechanisms that link them to the Infernal Exaltations. At least I've heard speculation that as long as there are Yozi charm backups in the exaltations, they can't be killed like the Neverborn were.
 
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