Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)

What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?

  • Mercy (Diplomacy and Expansion)

    Votes: 201 74.7%

  • Ruthlessness (Kick the Duchy in the Balls)

    Votes: 65 24.2%

  • Thule (Yeeni Handholding and Piscarian Cuddling)

    Votes: 102 37.9%
  • Total voters
    269
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Weaving_Dreamer said:
Wait what? You're telling me they can't build Battleships except for the places the Infrastructure was intact? that even planet developing into Forge Worlds couldn't build any of the void Industry to build Battleships anymore?

The parts about Grand Cruiser does check out considering the Battleships around and seemingly not used because of misunderstanding of the role. But still is that how things were? Suddenly the decision in Song of Peace to save the Shipyards capable of servicing Battleships at Baal and the nearby Forge World carry a lot more meaning then just 'its important for logistics and takes a long time to build'
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Pretty much, yeah, there's a very small number of Forge Worlds in the Imperium with the capacity to do fresh build Battleships by the time of 40K, and most of those are the really powerful ones that are known across the Imperium. Most are refurbished salvage (Which is already pretty challenging for most Forge Worlds), and even then, there's only a very small number of classes they know how to build, and I don't believe there's a single Imperial Battleship design newer than 8,000 years or so that actually works, mostly just refit packages to already existing hull-types and useless boondoggles like the Invincible.
 
Alectai said:
Pretty much, yeah, there's a very small number of Forge Worlds in the Imperium with the capacity to do fresh build Battleships by the time of 40K, and most of those are the really powerful ones that are known across the Imperium. Most are refurbished salvage (Which is already pretty challenging for most Forge Worlds), and even then, there's only a very small number of classes they know how to build, and I don't believe there's a single Imperial Battleship design newer than 8,000 years or so that actually works, mostly just refit packages to already existing hull-types and useless boondoggles like the Invincible.
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.... so the very fact that every single one of our worlds can build a battleship on its own in like three more developments would be considered the principle of bullshit by everyone and their mothers? I have to wonder if this was brought back into the past like right at the Eye of Terror errupting after Cadia or before would the Imperium follow the normal 'raze everything to ground, damn the losses' or they would put in the effort to capture some worlds just for the infrastructure to build Battleships.

Because that would be at least 58 worlds capable of building battleships- WOW I just realized how bullshit and terrifying that is.
 
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Weaving_Dreamer said:
.... so the very fact that every single one of our worlds can build a battleship on its own in like three more developments would be considered the principle of bullshit by everyone and their mothers? I have to wonder if this was brought back into the past like right at the Eye of Terror or before would the Imperium follow the normal 'raze everything to ground, damn the losses' or they would put in the effort to capture some worlds just for the infrastructure to build Battleships.

Because that would be at least 58 worlds capable of building battleships- WOW I just realized how bullshit and terrifying that is.
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Yeah, we built Tall, every single Federation World is comparable to fucking Segmentum Solar Core Worlds, and possibly even better. The only thing that can conceivably exceed our Inf scores is Sol Itself, and even then, there's massive caveats on their ability to employ it.

And we have universal Infrastructure development. Per capita, the Glimmering Federation is almost certainly the richest and most well developed region in the galaxy right now.
 
Even if we don't build a Titan now, it'll be nice to see if Titans have a similar design process as Voidships, or if any of our experience there translates over.
 
Weaving_Dreamer said:
Also has anyone been tracking the Consecration? or have been just being doing all the outer systems on the borders instead just just focusing on one Sub-sector? Because at this point just do the Sub-sector and stick with it.
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We are currently focusing on getting Gigachad to be the first Consecrated System in Macabre. After that certainly. Although we might want to focus on making sure that there is a consecrated system in each of the Sub-Sectors that the Black Ash now hold when we get them.
 
HeroCooky said:
[] [Military] Construct A God-Engine (Variable Action Cost)
00101011 00101011 00101011 01001001 01101110 01101001 01110100 01101001 01100001 01110100 01100101 00100000 01010000 01110010 01101111 01110100 01101111 01100011 01101111 01101100 01101100 00111010 00100000 01000010 01101001 01100111 00100000 01001110 01110101 01110100 00101011 00101011 00101011
(Gain: Titan decided upon in the Sub-Turns and specialized ship capable of moving it.)
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So basically what it sounds like here is that we are gonna design this monster and then it will give us the turn cost. Designers this one is your move.

Edit: Also let's get the last Necron tech(basic) next turn. I think we should have some research room next turn...maybe we can even do the Military Expedition as well

Hmm maybe next turn we can do something like
[] Plan template 1
-[] Necron Gun(1 AP + 1 Glint)
-[] Expedition
-[] Warp Observatory

or
[] Plan template 2
-[] Necron Gun(1 AP + 1 Glint)
-[] Warp Observatory x2
 
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Neablis said:
I'm like 95% certain that Herocooky will not allow us to use A Cry for the Future with Bounty of Labour. We're allowed to use Songs with Bounty of Labor it "if we don't pull any fuckery" and using Cry to the Future with songs would enable some ABSOLUTE FUCKERY. Like turning 25 actions into 75 actions, immediately jumping to XV while clearing the research tree & building a dozen SBGs level of fuckery. It would break the game. So don't do it, because we will get slapped for trying. Doing A Grand Design with songs active is quite good, but not exactly game breaking.
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Is the math genuinely that crazy lmao

Like I've been the primary shill for jumping to All-XV with A Bounty of Labor but it's actually wild to see it put like that, is the math like, genuinely that cracked out? I haven't properly put it pen to paper but my napkin math just barely had things squeak over to All-XV at around 50~ or so actions, not "and you get another 25 too lol"

Personally I think it would be fine so long as it's clearly laid out, because we had to have several things like up here
>the very capstone of our psychic tradition (Symphony)
>a 12-action megaproject (Planetmaw)
>All-X, a milestone very few polities have reached in canon, like maybe the Tau? They got All-V for sure but they dumped it all into research

And we'd give up the chance to gain a certain amount of traits (I'm sure it's more than 3 this time) that are very hard to get and also the Anti-Chaos Trait upgrade whose equivalent requires an insane amount of Choirs

If Cooky says it's fucked that's cool or caps it off at just getting the All-XV that's cool too but like imo I think while it's definitely really wild I think it's ultimately just rewarding good play

The Glims are nowhere near top dog, as tall as we've built. I'm sure the Eldar can still bend us over, same for the Necrons, and we still have the ~endgame threats of the triple threat Chaos polities. Being able to somehow bootstrap ourselves to that level is what I'd consider breaking the game, not this imo

But I'm biased — I really really really want that All-XV because I'm unconvinced we'll be able to get it due to the limited lifetime of this game
 
BlueHelix said:
Is the math genuinely that crazy lmao

Like I've been the primary shill for jumping to All-XV with A Bounty of Labor but it's actually wild to see it put like that, is the math like, genuinely that cracked out? I haven't properly put it pen to paper but my napkin math just barely had things squeak over to All-XV at around 50~ or so actions, not "and you get another 25 too lol"
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I have made the chart so you can look at it. Let me just put it like this. By using 14 of the 25 actions you can get 40 dev points with 1 action generated to spare. HC might allow it and at that point we can cook but I'd like to get the go ahead if possible

One Autumn Leaf said:
Weirdly enough, having done the math on it, 14 regular actions is the amount needed to take us to All XV if the dev cost only increases by 1 at all X. It's frankly crazy that between Mechandrite and Symphony enough actions will come to fill out the rest.
AP spentFirst AP GenerationSecond AP GenerationThird AP GenerationFourth AP GenerationFinal Total
14 AP14
7 M-AP7
7 S-AP7
3.5 M-AP3
3.5 S-AP3
3 M-AP3
2 S-AP2
1 M-AP1
1 S-AP1
40 AP

Edit: This shit can cook if allowed to. Assuming that dev costs merely double to 40 actions required and not triple we can get it all for 40 AP generated from the insane abuse we can pull. Welcome to the math I did for this insanity
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[X] Plan: Battleships Ho! But with Lightning Guns
-[X] [Free] Consecrate In Sacred Sand (Chad Swamp - Gigachad)
-[X] [Free] [Psykana] Put any free Choirs beyond 50 onto maxing Glint of Genius first, then all leftover on Hiss of the Steam Valves, prioritize sanctification of the new Knights & the Lamenters Battle-Barge to make them Chaos Resistant.
-[X] [General] Develop The Federations'...
--[X] Void Industry XIV (0/1)
--[X] Medical Services VII (0/1)
--[X] Medical Services VIII (0/1) (Mechadendrite action)
-[X] [General] Research
--[X] Green Ship Other Gun? (0/2) (+ Glint AP)

This is the same as the baseline Plan, but gets us the last of the Tier 1 Necron Derivatives, and hopefully lets us continue in the future even once we lose the hulls, just on the off chance they show up asking for their shit next turn. We'll also be able to see the Tier 2 stuff coming out of it afterwards.

Why am I delaying? Because I really like the idea of making our Titan production centered on Qualach's Forge, you know? And it's not habitable until next turn.
 
TBH, I would reject it for one reason and one reason alone. Because we would lose an entire fucking week of Plot in one fell swoop.
 
Alectai said:
TBH, I would reject it for one reason and one reason alone. Because we would lose an entire fucking week of Plot in one fell swoop.
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We wouldn't really be losing it though

Assuming that we were all going for All-XV in the first place (which I damn well hope we were but eh who knows) it's just front loading the cost into one turn

And then we can just ignore Dev for the rest of the game and do stuff like explore those nice DAOT ruins or whatnot imo

That's my real motivation to just fucking get All-XV done, beyond the very real meta reasons — Dev actions are the most boring actions in the game barring the absolute slog Voxx Primus Infiltration was

I want them Done and so we don't have to worry about Dev Loss from tanking integration of certain worlds and so on
 
BlueHelix said:
We wouldn't really be losing it though

Assuming that we were all going for All-XV in the first place (which I damn well hope we were but eh who knows) it's just front loading the cost into one turn

And then we can just ignore Dev for the rest of the game and do stuff like explore those nice DAOT ruins or whatnot imo

That's my real motivation to just fucking get All-XV done, beyond the very real meta reasons — Dev actions are the most boring actions in the game barring the absolute slog Voxx Primus Infiltration was

I want them Done and so we don't have to worry about Dev Loss from tanking integration of certain worlds and so on
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Ugh, you do have a point, I just don't think Cooky will make things that easy for us.
 
It would be nice if HeroCooky allowed us to do time-skips/combined multiple turns into one update with event interrupts. That said. I would really like for the No Evil Song to get upgraded to Level 3. Given the shenanigans that the Level 2 Choir cost for singing it has, it makes me think that Level 3 will be 555 Choirs. We are at 440 right now (including FTL comms + ships). If it turns out that the trait upgrade is permanent for completing it then combined with the All 10 upgrade it might get us up to Medium corruption resistance.
 
Yeah, we were told No Evil really pops off at Level 3, and Level 2 is intentionally an insignificant boost on Level 1.
 
[X] Plan: Battleships Ho!

Also quick questions @HeroCooky:

1. What was the reaction of the Croaf immediately when they heard about us coming and right after they saw we had available?

2. What did the Black Ash Clan think of our offer to join their war? And what did they think of the force we brought to bear (other than the Lamenters' Bloody Midnights)?

3. What do we know about the Shield of Cerch'ganu in Unfallen? Are they human proxies used by the Eldar to protect an Exodite World? Are they open to talking at all?
 
[X] Plan: Battleships Ho! But with Lightning Guns

Yeah I'm in for this. Hopefully we have some time before a titan is required to take over the Black ash. But with the paired reasoning of building titans on the holy world and wanting to unlock necron tech before the bounty of labour, definitely.

Aura Dragon said:
It would be nice if HeroCooky allowed us to do time-skips/combined multiple turns into one update with event interrupts. That said. I would really like for the No Evil Song to get upgraded to Level 3. Given the shenanigans that the Level 2 Choir cost for singing it has, it makes me think that Level 3 will be 555 Choirs. We are at 440 right now (including FTL comms + ships). If it turns out that the trait upgrade is permanent for completing it then combined with the All 10 upgrade it might get us up to Medium corruption resistance.
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We'll get it for free in a couple turns. Next auto-melody.
 
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