Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[x] The surrendered warlocks, they know less but are likely to be more coperative
-[x] Offer them a chance to be free of the effects of Black Magic (optional)
-[x] Ask where Luccio was sent
 
Not sure if this is a serious vote or not but I don't think antagonizing them is productive right now.
It's not entirely serious, but fuckin really interrogating your help in the middle of them helping you using magic to make it easier for you to interrogate your help while they're helping you, are you serious?

The performance on display so far has been abysmal, and they are still pushing too much for people that are in such a shit Situation.

Edit: I remember a bunch of conversations from a couple months ago about our interactions with the white counsel and my own thoughts on them.

The fact that this has been eating away at my nerves and my already non-existent, favor of the council and the complete lack of competence on display, mixed with the kind of entitled nature of Telling other people who are trying to get info to help you to be quick, using magic to interrogate people who are helping you mixed with the general shittiness that surround the white council.

Means that I fucking really wanna stop helping them so badly. Now that they're not a danger to reality to leave alone.

Or at least use that magic to be fucking useful for once.
 
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It's not entirely serious, but fuckin really interrogating your help in the middle of them helping you using magic to make it easier for you to interrogate your help while they're helping you, are you serious?

The performance on display so far has been abysmal, and they are still pushing too much for people that are in such a shit Situation.
They have been pretty spectacularly incompetent, but in fairness her question did have merit beyond annoying us.

Wizards live and die on prep, investing in being ready for the wrong things is lethally dangerous to them so they have a strong reflex to be sure about what they're doing. Personally I'd appreciate more trust in the people currently propping them up, but centuries of habit engrained on pain of death at best are hard to shake.
 
They have been pretty spectacularly incompetent, but in fairness her question did have merit beyond annoying us.

Wizards live and die on prep, investing in being ready for the wrong things is lethally dangerous to them so they have a strong reflex to be sure about what they're doing. Personally I'd appreciate more trust in the people currently propping them up, but centuries of habit engrained on pain of death at best are hard to shake.
This, it's true. Though there is a phrase that I feel completely encapsulate the situation needs must when the devil drives.

The basic prioritization of we believe there's a dinarian in your building on top of the necromancers and warlocks that we've already helped you subdue.

What is why ...why are you asking extra questions? If we meant to harm them, we would have already done so or just not even bothered to come.

There is a presumption that they can just ask people who are of their own free will helping them of any information they want to know on top of actually just ordering around of people who are helping them. This spectacular arrogance matched with spectacular incompetence is almost completely unacceptable.

On some level, if they were helpful beyond being extra beat sticks or asking questions of people that are already helping them.This would not even be a discussion.
 
Well, to be fair, they canonically ended up in this shit... But yes, for now Morgan and everyone else are on super nerves and I will attribute their strange behavior to the fact that they are in complete shock from how incompetent they themselves are in the person of traitors.

I am, however, ready to send them on a journey on a dead donkey to the moon if they are not grateful after that. For there is being an ally and there is this.
 
This, it's true. Though there is a phrase that I feel completely encapsulate the situation needs must when the devil drives.

The basic prioritization of we believe there's a dinarian in your building on top of the necromancers and warlocks that we've already helped you subdue.

What is why ...why are you asking extra questions? If we meant to harm them, we would have already done so or just not even bothered to come.

There is a presumption that they can just ask people who are of their own free will helping them of any information they want to know on top of actually just ordering around of people who are helping them. This spectacular arrogance matched with spectacular incompetence is almost completely unacceptable.

On some level, if they were helpful beyond being extra beat sticks or asking questions of people that are already helping them.This would not even be a discussion.

I think the point was that different Denarians can be very different threats, and we pulled that name up without even claiming to divine it or something. We pulled a name out of a hat and she asked why that name in particular.

Even trusting us to be well intentioned and well informed doesn't necessarily mean trusting all our information is of equal quality. It does seem like we just learned a Denarian might be here just now, and there can be a world of difference between the researched opinion of an expert and their best off the cuff guess.


Well, to be fair, they canonically ended up in this shit... But yes, for now Morgan and everyone else are on super nerves and I will attribute their strange behavior to the fact that they are in complete shock from how incompetent they themselves are in the person of traitors.

I am, however, ready to send them on a journey on a dead donkey to the moon if they are not grateful after that. For there is being an ally and there is this.
They're not idiots, even if they're suspicious of us it'd be foolish to blow off someone who helped you this much.

Personally I'm thinking it'd be worth our time to cash in the marker we get from this to get the council to help with our portal problem. Arthur helping our guys ward a fortress would advance our interests and theirs at the same time in multiple ways.
 
I wonder if we could turn this whole kerfuffle into a recruitment opportunity?

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I wonder if we could turn this whole kerfuffle into a recruitment opportunity?

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Poaching active members would cause problems, but we can absolutely use implications of that to get an in with unrealized wizards and high grade talents like sorcerers who already have issues with the council's halfhearted dominion over them anyway.
 
[X] The surrendered warlocks, they know less but are likely to be more cooperative
-[X] Ask where Luccio was sent
-[X] Ask about the location of the missing Senior Council Agents
-[X] Have Lydia use Akashic Root Methodology
 
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If we are going to interrogate the Warlocks and not Peabody we should consider going with the last winning plan to get everything we can out of them.
 
Poaching active members would cause problems, but we can absolutely use implications of that to get an in with unrealized wizards and high grade talents like sorcerers who already have issues with the council's halfhearted dominion over them anyway.
We could probably use their base as a focus to finding the names of all other wizard level talents that aren't part of the council. Would be using up a very useful focus though. Also we might forget the names as it'd be in the thousands and I have no idea how good our memory is. As the amount of wizard level talents in the world is probably double or so what they have if not a big more.

Edit: Could probably triple or quadruple that number if ya asked for all talents of any kind in general.
 
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We really need to start getting an actual presence of our hellish denizens on earth with bases and shit. Given we need seed money for that I know but I think the idea they can die is always preventing us from letting them out of our hell in any noticeable population.
 
We really need to start getting an actual presence of our hellish denizens on earth with bases and shit. Given we need seed money for that I know but I think the idea they can die is always preventing us from letting them out of our hell in any noticeable population.
We don't need to? All we'd be doing is making more attack surfaces for enemies to exploit. There isn't reason to try taking over territory just for the sake of it and our people already have bases and the like. Just not on Earth.

I assumed ARM was still baked in.
Should be but this vote was put in an odd spot (we already voted on who to interrogate) so I'm not entirely sure.
 
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We don't need to? All we'd be doing is making more attack surfaces for enemies to exploit. There isn't reason to try taking over territory just for the sake of it and our people already have bases and the like. Just not on Earth.
We can't just field an army if we don't have it on earth. We also can't have them serving our goals if their not on earth. The fae have a fucking presence on earth you can't honestly say they don't benefit from that right? We could actively improve earth with our citizens help.
 
We can't just field an army if we don't have it on earth. We also can't have them serving our goals if their not on earth. The fae have a fucking presence on earth you can't honestly say they don't benefit from that right? We could actively improve earth with our citizens help.
Why do you want armies on Earth all of a sudden?
 
to kill the armies trying to kill us eventually and actual power projection on earth which you know was the point of getting the charm
When that time comes it'd be much more sensible to arrange a temporary portal rather than having to deal with the logistics of having standing armies on earth. Especially with the Masquerade still in effect. Taking that God into Sanctuary created a portal so we have options that don't necessitate we leave so many forces on earth in bases to be attacked.
 
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When that time comes it'd be much more sensible to arrange a temporary portal rather than having to deal with the logistics of having standing armies on earth. Especially with the Masquerade still in effect. Taking that God into Sanctuary created a portal so we have options that don't necessitate we leave so many forces on earth in bases to be attacked.
even the fae have areas on earth if we're not going to do that we should give up on being a faction of any kind. Also we have no power that would allow that especially not in a reasonable time.
 
even the fae have areas on earth if we're not going to do that we should give up on being a faction of any kind. Also we have no power that would allow that especially not in a reasonable time.
We shouldn't take territory for the sake of taking territory. We already have Last station and rights to a spot in Vegas if need be. We are already a faction. One that predominantly exist within the NeverNever like the vast majority of supernatural factions.

We already made a portal onscreen which is why I brought it up to begin with. Clearly there are ways to go about it to create a temporary portal using a God as a bridge then close it after it's use. Only reason why we can't do that for the other guy is because we don't want the Reds getting them again.
 
arrange a temporary portal rather than having to deal
even the fae have areas on earth if we're not going to do that we should give up on being a faction of any kind.
While I maybe don't agree about having standing armies on Earth we should definitely be accumulating territory here considering it's where Molly keeps all of her everything that matters to her and also she is kind of dependent on it existing essentially forever if she wants to live her full lifespan.

This is before the fact temporary portals are a way worse vulnerability than having bases on Earth considering we are the only ones who can let people in and out and no one can hide from our Crown truly.
 
Clearly there are ways to go about it to create a temporary portal using a God as a bridge then close it after it's use. Only reason why we can't do that for the other guy
That's not actually true the bridge only happened because essentially we tried to recycle a god through our wheel we would need a God on the brink of death to open another portal like that and would need to be a god connected to the land like the Incan one.
 
While I maybe don't agree about having standing armies on Earth we should definitely be accumulating territory here considering it's where Molly keeps all of her everything that matters to her and also she is kind of dependent on it existing essentially forever if she wants to live her full lifespan.

This is before the fact temporary portals are a way worse vulnerability than having bases on Earth considering we are the only ones who can let people in and out and no one can hide from our Crown truly.
If you want territory on earth you'll need to protect it from other factions and deal with the masquerade somehow. That means standing armies and troops.

The DF setting will not implode without Molly taking more territory that's ridiculous.

How is it a greater vulnerability? They'd only exist in front of us then we'd shut it down before leaving. Molly would be the only way to make one. I'm suggesting the method that was just used. If we had a God of Chicago we could probably implement this. Bases on the other hand would always exist and always be vulnerable.

That's not actually true the bridge only happened because essentially we tried to recycle a god through our wheel we would need a God on the brink of death to open another portal like that and would need to be a god connected to the land like the Incan one.
The bridge happened because the god is tied to the land and can't leave. It had nothing to do with its near death status.

It hasn't gone through the wheel yet which DP told us.
 
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If you want to take and hold territory on earth using Sanctuary troops on a large scale Barren Waste Infection is somewhat required. It allows for bringing about our hell on earth. It just requires the sacrifice of 2 Warlocks.
 
If you want to take and hold territory on earth using Sanctuary troops on a large scale Barren Waste Infection is somewhat required. It allows for bringing about our hell on earth. It just requires the sacrifice of 2 Warlocks.
I mean I was more thinking various buildings just stocked with people living in or around them. Maybe even retrofit the undercity.
 
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