At the end he talked about his friends being used by the other side and made into warlocks that will either die in the fighting or have to be killed. Turns out he was not just worried about himself, but about his peers too. As for if they can be made to use magic Molly cannot even roll those dice, she does not have a place to start only a brief vision of mind control happening to Carlos from the outside.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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At the end he talked about his friends being used by the other side and made into warlocks that will either die in the fighting or have to be killed. Turns out he was not just worried about himself, but about his peers too. As for if they can be made to use magic Molly cannot even roll those dice, she does not have a place to start only a brief vision of mind control happening to Carlos from the outside.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Hehehe... Another step towards the subversion of the White Council. 
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It's all coming together.
[X] Promise Carlos you will make sure none of his friends will lose themselves to Lawbreaking (Must buy Kakuri: False Springs Beckckon (•••) at next level up)
😈It's all coming together.
[X] Promise Carlos you will make sure none of his friends will lose themselves to Lawbreaking (Must buy Kakuri: False Springs Beckckon (•••) at next level up)
So are we going to get a buy point before the final confrontation? Cause the default promise seems pointless to me otherwise. If we're spending AP on warlock proofing people next turn then it's better spent on an actual fix to the problem he's afraid of.
I know I propose splendors for everything, but this really is a situation where it's just better.
Being made to go warlock is bad, but if you're caught throughly enough for someone to do that you're probably screwed anyway. Protecting against being put in that position is a flatly superior option.
A three dot fascination splendor doubling down on extend duration protection from mental influence and possession could immunize the wardens for weeks against the actual threat at hand.
Rather than paying for it with our own stocks we ask the Carlos/the young wardens to get something.
Supposing we finish our forge they'd only need a two dot reagent and we should do a few builds to harden our defenses/pay our debts next turn anyway. Dropping one debt payment off in favor of one enhancer for the white council wouldn't be an awful trade.
If you get the charm it would not cost AP, you just administer it in the background. Splendors on the other hand would cost AP as normal.
Anyway good night guys, see you all in the morning.
- Location
- Canada
[X] Make no promises, no matter how greatful the Merlin might be for this you're sure it will not extend to this
The Merlin is gonna have our metaphorical head if we start infiltrating the White Council by enabling young Wizards to break the Laws without repercussion, especially through a method easily turned to blackmail.
The Merlin is gonna have our metaphorical head if we start infiltrating the White Council by enabling young Wizards to break the Laws without repercussion, especially through a method easily turned to blackmail.
That's a nice feature for FSB when we do need to use it, but I think my other point still holds.
The problem is people getting root access to his friends' brains and trying to hurt them. Protection from the side effects of one type of potential long term damage doesn't actually handle any other part of this problem. If someone has that root access they're not going to shrug and go home if it doesn't work.
This isn't to say we shouldn't get FSB*, or even that we shouldn't get it next turn, just that we shouldn't use it for this specifically.
* It's too bad literally everything from end to end is awful about Blampires. Without knowledge of their weaknesses they're unfairly powerful and with them they're still dangerous monsters. Turning them off would be a real record scratch moment for the setting.
[X] Make no promises, no matter how greatful the Merlin might be for this you're sure it will not extend to this
[X] [Write In]: Float the possibility of working together to forge something to help the wardens protect themselves.
I don't mean specifically cooking up a splendor here, though that might be the simplest.
Another option would be to take those birds from earlier and build them for mental defenses instead of pure synergy. That isn't a perfect defense, but a spirit partner who exists solely to guard your mind 24/7 is more effective than doing it alone. Especially if they stay in contact with each other to help community monitoring.
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- Location
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In this case we are getting in line and violently cutting the que. Lots of other heads in the way.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
That isn't the point of getting it? It's to counteract the corruption aspect so they don't have to kill them.
Still not really worth it.
It's like giving someone preventative antibiotics so that if they get trapped in a serial killer's torture basement they're less likely to have their wounds get infected.
That's better than getting sick, but a Wild priority to have when you could instead be working to avoid getting kidnapped in the first place.
I think using FSB would complicate our ability to connect with the young Wardens, alienate the older wizards, and not even solve the right problem.
Let's look at a hypothetical young Warden's situation if we'd set something up before Peabody came around and making the supposition that he can force them to use magic.
With FSB he can't infect them with black magic, but he can still subvert their will to serve his own ends. Make them kill people, become unwitting honey traps, betray critical secrets to their enemies, do horrible things with magic directly, and so on.
Any system that makes it harder to influence them and easier to notice when they have been provides more overall protection. A spirit bird constantly casting the equivalent of a master psychic's mind shield on you, rituals that provide long term resistance directly, a splendor rendering you immune to influence outright, any of these does more to keep them safe.
Even something like the Detect Authority ritual and a scheme for constant redundant screening would save them more pain in the long run.
In terms of the aftermath of this one I don't think he could seriously have Warlocked his victims unknowingly and kept them from going obviously nuts. That's too risky an arrangement, cause it's not like the unknowing victims are people who know they need to hide their sins or how to go about doing so.
If he could that would imply he'd found a way to functionally medicate away the effects of black magic himself. In which case we should steal that and have the Wardens cook themselves up a steady supply of magical Prozac instead.
[X] Plan Familiar Books of Law
-[X] Promise Carlos you will make sure none of his friends will lose themselves to Lawbreaking (Must buy Kakuri: False Springs Beckckon (•••) at next level up)
-[X] Explain both the ideas you had for both the familiars and books of laws as long-term solutions to Law breaking corruption
-[X][STUNT] "I am more than pretty eyes and a flaming sword, you know?" you say, not quite flirting, for it is not the time for that, but definitely trying to lighten the mood for a moment: "Mine is the light of Creation, the flame of forge primordial, and it is not the first time I have thought of how to give those that misstep, or are pushed off the path a chance of redemption. It seems the Fates conspire for me to reveal them faster than expected. Now, who do I ask for heads of ancient monsters to forge wonders from?"
Because this crisis is the perfect point to push the council to adopt both the familiars and Books of Law. Because pragmatically they can't afford to lose lots of Wardens. It is the moment of easiest change, I feel.
Also a bit of very light flirting. And yes, the eyes are her anima.
-[X] Promise Carlos you will make sure none of his friends will lose themselves to Lawbreaking (Must buy Kakuri: False Springs Beckckon (•••) at next level up)
-[X] Explain both the ideas you had for both the familiars and books of laws as long-term solutions to Law breaking corruption
-[X][STUNT] "I am more than pretty eyes and a flaming sword, you know?" you say, not quite flirting, for it is not the time for that, but definitely trying to lighten the mood for a moment: "Mine is the light of Creation, the flame of forge primordial, and it is not the first time I have thought of how to give those that misstep, or are pushed off the path a chance of redemption. It seems the Fates conspire for me to reveal them faster than expected. Now, who do I ask for heads of ancient monsters to forge wonders from?"
Because this crisis is the perfect point to push the council to adopt both the familiars and Books of Law. Because pragmatically they can't afford to lose lots of Wardens. It is the moment of easiest change, I feel.
Also a bit of very light flirting. And yes, the eyes are her anima.
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Goldfish
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I don't really like the idea of obligating ourselves to spend so much XP ahead of time. That said, the situation does seem like an appropriate time to be making such considerations.
[X] Promise Carlos you will make sure none of his friends will lose themselves to Lawbreaking (Must buy Kakuri: False Springs Beckckon (•••) at next level up)
[X] Yog
[X] Promise Carlos you will make sure none of his friends will lose themselves to Lawbreaking (Must buy Kakuri: False Springs Beckckon (•••) at next level up)
[X] Yog
Seriously though, this is a bit callous, I guess, but dealing with a conspiracy that basically forces a large percentage of wardens to become warlocks is the best time to pish for reformation of how the council deals with law breakers. Hell, in this case it can be framed as allowing them to maintain their traditions as much as possible without compromising their integrity. They can't afford to execute large parts of their wardens simply because it would be civil war if nothing else.
Would the law books help with the core issue?
They can keep you from willingly taking the left hand path, but if someone is messing with your head then they could do a lot of harm.
A general mind control/possession immunity fascination with 2 X elongate the curse should give them weeks of protection at a time for any number of users. Then you don't need to worry about having your brain twisted in other awful way.
The birds are similarly a problem in their base form, because if someone is trying to drive you crazy like he's worried about then they could make you cast without using your partner spirit.
Rebuilding them as something which protects the mind instead of pure synergy is a potential option, but it reduces the ability to serve their original purpose.
If we're devoting time and resources to run the full program, why not split the issue? Keep the familiar as synergystic anti-corruption and rebuild the Book into full anti-control. Or the other way around, depending on what's easier. Leaving the cooking to you guys, though.
[X] Yog
Tentatively. I'm mostly doing this because I think FSB is too little help for too much potential issues from the Merlin.
[X] Promise Carlos you will make sure none of his friends will lose themselves to Lawbreaking (Must buy Kakuri: False Springs Beckckon (•••) at next level up)
The books @Yog floated earlier don't protect against mental influence, they subject people who swear an oath to follow the law on them to a magical compulsion to keep it.
Splitting the issue is a potentially helpful approach, but we can make an immunity system in like an hour - two if we have middling luck on the rolls. Why not pick the perfect solution to the problem?
No, the books make you incapable of breaking the law. Not metpntsllt incapable. Physically incapable. You roll 0 successes on attempting to break the roll. That's direct reality / fate manipulation. You might be mind controlled and/or fully intending to break the law, and you will just... fail at doing so. There's no compuleion at wll. Its a tool to make Doom of Dqmocles much more likely to succeed.
Edit: here is the design. Here it's approved. One book per law, get Council to cough up resources for making them.
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- Location
- washington
[X] Plan Familiar Books of Law
- Location
- washington
How do you think those books would work for oaths taking against killing other humans when taking into account white court? Is it intention based when taking the oath or would it stop the council from killing white court vampires? Cause the law when addressing white court is more political as they don't count white court as human. But how would the book consider this?
This would be decided during the making of the book. We'll definitely need to cooperate with the council on this, and the book is probably going to be written in Primordial to confer the meaning involved. It would definitely need to be more detailed than "thou shalt not kill". Probably with clauses for self defense and fighting non-humans involved too.
Even still that's a bandaid on a bullet wound in this context.
We're not talking about people becoming warlocks on accident, we're talking about people being mentally assaulted and exploited. Even if you stop them from doing explicit black magic other things can and would be done to them.