- Location
- somewhere on this dying planet
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- He/Him
[X] You will be stockpiling weapons for… Well, you don't want to say it, but… You are planning for a Civil War yourself, after all.
Imperium Delenda Est
Imperium Delenda Est
A Song Of Peace: Imperial Regent Quest [40k]
- Thread starter Swordomatic
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- hololive warhammer 40k (warhammer) science fiction crossover female protagonist beta-chan quest church of hope dokia breaks the world e10 forever 18 in the grim dark future there is only dokahorse little brother collection quest panda quest sui-chan wa kyou mou kawaii unangries your angron you must construct additional siblings
[X] You will be bolstering Imperium Nihilus' position in a similar fashion as Lucan is doing with the Second Interregnum, though arguably they need it more given the total isolation and the Great Rift splitting it off, as opposed to an uneasy civil war.
Who we hopefully will have as Retinue. We need his constant charisma and presence at the High Lords meetings more than having him shank stuff out there.
We are going to need to focus on the Eldar. We barely treaded water/pushed things in our direction by having Mona focus on the Eldar issue after the Gaia's Edge situation. The Telepathica reform can cook with somewhat less input for the next turn IMO. Ynnead has far higher priority in the immediate upcoming turn now that we are getting Sanguinous back.
Who we hopefully will have as Retinue. We need his constant charisma and presence at the High Lords meetings more than having him shank stuff out there.
[X] You will be bolstering Imperium Nihilus' position in a similar fashion as Lucan is doing with the Second Interregnum, though arguably they need it more given the total isolation and the Great Rift splitting it off, as opposed to an uneasy civil war.
-[X] "Both Lucan's half of Pacificus and pretty much all of Nihilus are outside the Imperium's control - in Nihilus's case, because they can't reach it reliably enough to control it. Dante's got a good head on his shoulders, so it's actually doable to pass reforms there and build something better than the Imperium... IF Imperium Nihlus is actually able to survive the shit the Cicatrix Maledictum can throw at it. And for that, they need some degree of material independence they won't have without my share of Gaia's Edge."
-[X] "Both Lucan's half of Pacificus and pretty much all of Nihilus are outside the Imperium's control - in Nihilus's case, because they can't reach it reliably enough to control it. Dante's got a good head on his shoulders, so it's actually doable to pass reforms there and build something better than the Imperium... IF Imperium Nihlus is actually able to survive the shit the Cicatrix Maledictum can throw at it. And for that, they need some degree of material independence they won't have without my share of Gaia's Edge."
- Location
- Brazil
[X] You will be bolstering Imperium Nihilus' position in a similar fashion as Lucan is doing with the Second Interregnum, though arguably they need it more given the total isolation and the Great Rift splitting it off, as opposed to an uneasy civil war.
-[X] "Both Lucan's half of Pacificus and pretty much all of Nihilus are outside the Imperium's control - in Nihilus's case, because they can't reach it reliably enough to control it. Dante's got a good head on his shoulders, so it's actually doable to pass reforms there and build something better than the Imperium... IF Imperium Nihlus is actually able to survive the shit the Cicatrix Maledictum can throw at it. And for that, they need some degree of material independence they won't have without my share of Gaia's Edge."
-[X] "Both Lucan's half of Pacificus and pretty much all of Nihilus are outside the Imperium's control - in Nihilus's case, because they can't reach it reliably enough to control it. Dante's got a good head on his shoulders, so it's actually doable to pass reforms there and build something better than the Imperium... IF Imperium Nihlus is actually able to survive the shit the Cicatrix Maledictum can throw at it. And for that, they need some degree of material independence they won't have without my share of Gaia's Edge."
[X] You will be bolstering Imperium Nihilus' position in a similar fashion as Lucan is doing with the Second Interregnum, though arguably they need it more given the total isolation and the Great Rift splitting it off, as opposed to an uneasy civil war.
-[X] "Both Lucan's half of Pacificus and pretty much all of Nihilus are outside the Imperium's control - in Nihilus's case, because they can't reach it reliably enough to control it. Dante's got a good head on his shoulders, so it's actually doable to pass reforms there and build something better than the Imperium... IF Imperium Nihlus is actually able to survive the shit the Cicatrix Maledictum can throw at it. And for that, they need some degree of material independence they won't have without my share of Gaia's Edge."
I do not think we are in a position to start taking civil war actions for one simple reason. We do not any way to deal with the Corpse Emperor, we can't distract him, we cannot keep him out of it, the best we can do is hope he will stay out of the way and frankly that is not good enough. We need to find the Star Child, we need to see what he knows. At the very least we should have some idea where to start before we plot to take apart his Imperium for which be cares nothing and everything. We really do not want that coin flip to go against us in this.
-[X] "Both Lucan's half of Pacificus and pretty much all of Nihilus are outside the Imperium's control - in Nihilus's case, because they can't reach it reliably enough to control it. Dante's got a good head on his shoulders, so it's actually doable to pass reforms there and build something better than the Imperium... IF Imperium Nihlus is actually able to survive the shit the Cicatrix Maledictum can throw at it. And for that, they need some degree of material independence they won't have without my share of Gaia's Edge."
I do not think we are in a position to start taking civil war actions for one simple reason. We do not any way to deal with the Corpse Emperor, we can't distract him, we cannot keep him out of it, the best we can do is hope he will stay out of the way and frankly that is not good enough. We need to find the Star Child, we need to see what he knows. At the very least we should have some idea where to start before we plot to take apart his Imperium for which be cares nothing and everything. We really do not want that coin flip to go against us in this.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
So, I don't see any support for the Telepathica yet, which I'm leaning towards even more after thinking about it and then discussing about it with others. I have a couple of reasons that I think are pretty weighty:
1: Telepathica -support will also mean strengthening any kind of Telepathica activity also in the Imperium Nihilus. While not nearly as impactful for Nihilus as the option actually focusing on it, it will ensure that our Telepathica strong there too. Because when we finish the reforms concerning it, Telepathica will be ours. Which brings me to my next point.
2: Do we want our center of power to rest mainly in the Imperium Nihilus, or spread out even more among wherever the Telepathica touches? By focusing now and in the future more on the indepence and the reach of the Telepathica, which is an institution, we can use it as a vector in politics to push through reforms to the other parts in the Imperium by leveraging its power and what it can offer (or take away). Especially after Wayfarers come online.
And as the Imperium relies on psykers on many things, the other main thing beyond FTL travel being, you guessed it, FTL communications, well. The stronger the Telepathica is, the harder it will be for our political enemies both in opposing us in the reforms or kicking off a rebellion that will have a snowballs chance in a hell.
Even if they get desperate enough to kick off a rebellion with just the bitter hopes of taking us down with them? The damage will still be lesser Imperium-wide if the very people that are the lifeblood interstellar warfare and trade are mainly on our side, as well as strong enough to stand against our foes without collapsing due to lack of outside support.
Anyway, focusing on Nihilus feels to me more like ensuring that we can cut off at least a portion of the Imperium during a civil war that is completely ours, instead of spreading far and wide. And with Telepathica, we can make the most impact in actually reforming the Imperium instead of just having to fight it.
@Swordomatic will this write-in work?
[X] You will be making psionic equipment for the Telepathica to make it further independent of the Mechanicus for its production. In the future, you have hopes of using it for Black Ship construction exclusively, though that will depend on a number of factors.
-[X] "I hope to leverage Telepathica from a position of power, independent as I can make it with the help of the Gaia's Edge from the other institutions of the Imperium. All so that I can make lasting changes for the better and save as many lives as I can while doing it. Whatever it breaks the Imperium or not, I don't care, just that it gets the job done."
1: Telepathica -support will also mean strengthening any kind of Telepathica activity also in the Imperium Nihilus. While not nearly as impactful for Nihilus as the option actually focusing on it, it will ensure that our Telepathica strong there too. Because when we finish the reforms concerning it, Telepathica will be ours. Which brings me to my next point.
2: Do we want our center of power to rest mainly in the Imperium Nihilus, or spread out even more among wherever the Telepathica touches? By focusing now and in the future more on the indepence and the reach of the Telepathica, which is an institution, we can use it as a vector in politics to push through reforms to the other parts in the Imperium by leveraging its power and what it can offer (or take away). Especially after Wayfarers come online.
And as the Imperium relies on psykers on many things, the other main thing beyond FTL travel being, you guessed it, FTL communications, well. The stronger the Telepathica is, the harder it will be for our political enemies both in opposing us in the reforms or kicking off a rebellion that will have a snowballs chance in a hell.
Even if they get desperate enough to kick off a rebellion with just the bitter hopes of taking us down with them? The damage will still be lesser Imperium-wide if the very people that are the lifeblood interstellar warfare and trade are mainly on our side, as well as strong enough to stand against our foes without collapsing due to lack of outside support.
Anyway, focusing on Nihilus feels to me more like ensuring that we can cut off at least a portion of the Imperium during a civil war that is completely ours, instead of spreading far and wide. And with Telepathica, we can make the most impact in actually reforming the Imperium instead of just having to fight it.
@Swordomatic will this write-in work?
[X] You will be making psionic equipment for the Telepathica to make it further independent of the Mechanicus for its production. In the future, you have hopes of using it for Black Ship construction exclusively, though that will depend on a number of factors.
-[X] "I hope to leverage Telepathica from a position of power, independent as I can make it with the help of the Gaia's Edge from the other institutions of the Imperium. All so that I can make lasting changes for the better and save as many lives as I can while doing it. Whatever it breaks the Imperium or not, I don't care, just that it gets the job done."
- Location
- Singapore
Valid. Go for it.
Pans current timed AP obligations: the minimum spent a turn to meet the deadline
Telepathica Reform: by turn 10
Turn 4: 10.5 AP (anyone)
Turn 5: 8.17 AP (anyone)
Notes for 4 turn: 'great hustle little big bull brother!'
Favour:
Mars
Teach Sanctic Sorcery's Wards By Turn 6
Turn 4: 0.33 AP (Pandora only)
Turn 5: 0.5 AP (Pandora only)
Take/ destroy forge world by Turn 5
Turn 4: 2 AP (anyone)
Turn 5: 4 AP (anyone)
Starting this now, because it's going to get harder to track later.
Anything I've forgotten? I don't think we actually know the deadline for the elder stuff.
Telepathica Reform: by turn 10
Turn 4: 10.5 AP (anyone)
Turn 5: 8.17 AP (anyone)
Notes for 4 turn: 'great hustle little big bull brother!'
Favour:
Mars
Teach Sanctic Sorcery's Wards By Turn 6
Turn 4: 0.33 AP (Pandora only)
Turn 5: 0.5 AP (Pandora only)
Take/ destroy forge world by Turn 5
Turn 4: 2 AP (anyone)
Turn 5: 4 AP (anyone)
Starting this now, because it's going to get harder to track later.
Anything I've forgotten? I don't think we actually know the deadline for the elder stuff.
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I mean, we owe Mars some 4 APs' worth of taking/destroying Forge Worlds by the end of next turn, but that can be handled by Celestine.
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
You sure that having Celestine do that is a good idea? She is currently in the middle of preaching about Pandora to the Sisters of Battle. It might be better to have her keep doing that and have Pandora/Mona handle the Forge World issue.
dragon
Ancalagon the Black
- Location
- The Skies of Arda
[X] You will be bolstering Imperium Nihilus' position in a similar fashion as Lucan is doing with the Second Interregnum, though arguably they need it more given the total isolation and the Great Rift splitting it off, as opposed to an uneasy civil war.
-[X] "Both Lucan's half of Pacificus and pretty much all of Nihilus are outside the Imperium's control - in Nihilus's case, because they can't reach it reliably enough to control it. Dante's got a good head on his shoulders, so it's actually doable to pass reforms there and build something better than the Imperium... IF Imperium Nihlus is actually able to survive the shit the Cicatrix Maledictum can throw at it. And for that, they need some degree of material independence they won't have without my share of Gaia's Edge."
Remember we still have 4ap of mechanics concessions that need to be taken care of by the end of turn 5. Since we aren't preparing for immediate civil war, we shouldn't default.
@Swordomatic if we max out pans incarnate god powers, will she stop tripping over her own feet?
-[X] "Both Lucan's half of Pacificus and pretty much all of Nihilus are outside the Imperium's control - in Nihilus's case, because they can't reach it reliably enough to control it. Dante's got a good head on his shoulders, so it's actually doable to pass reforms there and build something better than the Imperium... IF Imperium Nihlus is actually able to survive the shit the Cicatrix Maledictum can throw at it. And for that, they need some degree of material independence they won't have without my share of Gaia's Edge."
Remember we still have 4ap of mechanics concessions that need to be taken care of by the end of turn 5. Since we aren't preparing for immediate civil war, we shouldn't default.
@Swordomatic if we max out pans incarnate god powers, will she stop tripping over her own feet?
In, doing it now, while it's easy, (and in case Celestine gets Temp killed)
I'm talking about having her do it on Turn 5. We're on Turn 4.
So looking at the AP help? Assuming the worst from Yama (which feels bad considering how much he put in this turn, but that might have been him blowing his load for all we know)
As long as we get everything that needs Pandora done and the AP per turn 7 by the end of next turn. We will be able to free up our AP safety for whatever horrors Swordo plans for turn 6+
As long as we get everything that needs Pandora done and the AP per turn 7 by the end of next turn. We will be able to free up our AP safety for whatever horrors Swordo plans for turn 6+
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- He/Him
[X] You will be bolstering Imperium Nihilus' position in a similar fashion as Lucan is doing with the Second Interregnum, though arguably they need it more given the total isolation and the Great Rift splitting it off, as opposed to an uneasy civil war.
- Location
- Space between realms
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- He
[X] You will be bolstering Imperium Nihilus' position in a similar fashion as Lucan is doing with the Second Interregnum, though arguably they need it more given the total isolation and the Great Rift splitting it off, as opposed to an uneasy civil war.
Isn't anything that's visible to the AdMech going to rile them up the same was that ships not needing Navigators would get them concerned about their own monopoly? Using the share for Nihilus is at least somewhat hidden, especially if it's going to Blood Angels, but trading it to Mona or Lucan for their off-the-books activities might be avoiding an awkward political issue.
The prospect of civil war planning also brings back the topic of Guilliman to mind. If he's raised at the right moment he could make for a controlled opposition faction for our traditionalist enemies to rally around but raised as soon as possible he could be left to cement power in Ultima or within the Terran bureaucracy.
The prospect of civil war planning also brings back the topic of Guilliman to mind. If he's raised at the right moment he could make for a controlled opposition faction for our traditionalist enemies to rally around but raised as soon as possible he could be left to cement power in Ultima or within the Terran bureaucracy.
...OK, the image of Sanguinius being the guy who supports Pandora in public, and Guilliman being the guy who (politely) criticizes her policies in public in order to rally the opposition around him so he can tell us exactly what our opponents are plotting, is a very fun image.
[X] You will be bolstering Imperium Nihilus' position in a similar fashion as Lucan is doing with the Second Interregnum, though arguably they need it more given the total isolation and the Great Rift splitting it off, as opposed to an uneasy civil war.
- Location
- Planet Earth
[X] You will be bolstering Imperium Nihilus' position in a similar fashion as Lucan is doing with the Second Interregnum, though arguably they need it more given the total isolation and the Great Rift splitting it off, as opposed to an uneasy civil war.
-[X] "Both Lucan's half of Pacificus and pretty much all of Nihilus are outside the Imperium's control - in Nihilus's case, because they can't reach it reliably enough to control it. Dante's got a good head on his shoulders, so it's actually doable to pass reforms there and build something better than the Imperium... IF Imperium Nihlus is actually able to survive the shit the Cicatrix Maledictum can throw at it. And for that, they need some degree of material independence they won't have without my share of Gaia's Edge."
-[X] "Both Lucan's half of Pacificus and pretty much all of Nihilus are outside the Imperium's control - in Nihilus's case, because they can't reach it reliably enough to control it. Dante's got a good head on his shoulders, so it's actually doable to pass reforms there and build something better than the Imperium... IF Imperium Nihlus is actually able to survive the shit the Cicatrix Maledictum can throw at it. And for that, they need some degree of material independence they won't have without my share of Gaia's Edge."
The thing is 'the people who are the lifeblood of interstellar warfare and trade' are... everyone, that is everyone. This isn't even an IoM thing for once, it's a complex logistics chains thing. Sure, you can't make the ships run on time without astropaths, but you also can't run ships at all without the Ad Mech, you can't protect them without the navy and you cannot supply them without the Administratum. There is no silver bullet, no one institution that will allow us to keep the whole thing together. Every piece collapses once the system breaks, the question is what do they collapse into? What new local equilibrium are made thereby? And I think for that question Nihilus has the best answer since they have some kind of redundancy, they have to have it because of the isolation. It isn't the best of all outcomes, most likely, but this is 40K where it is all that the most well intentioned of people can do is prevent the worst from happening.
- Location
- Sweden
[X] You will be stockpiling weapons for… Well, you don't want to say it, but… You are planning for a Civil War yourself, after all.