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Took a look at the Yeeni for Teardrop for the Names of the New SAG's. We now have the 'Enkindled Clockwork Legion' which I vibe with it is a nice one. We have the Maws of Smong, they got a copy of the Hobbit it seems. And lastly the 'corruptors of Sins', fracking hell this are so chunni.
And then their colony on Grace of Faith. Defenders of the Innocents and Voices of the Foxes... last one not as grand as I thought it would be. but fits in and it looks like the Yeeni would into the Augmetic infantry. Also mispelled Demolition there QM.
I just wanted to say in regards to our terraformed world that should be done now, that Motto is fracking awesome and I'm stealing that for something in the future I may forget about.
I am really looking forward to what kind of SAG develops here once we move the Hivers there. Can we start that process once its done? or do we still not have enough control yet to start it? or it just can't start until we take over the planet fully.
1. OH, That is what they've been doing? okay, I didn't think about that and it makes sense. I guess its also office of compliance or something then.
2. Yah, its been said the sizes of light, medium, and Heavy is the logistical footprint. That's mostly based on the Size of the units in the SAG, more of everything means bigger logistical footprint.
3. ooof, yah. That seems like it would work better in the Imperium where they would tell some worlds to do that or they would do that to make the tithe to the Imperium stand out. For us it has to be a local choice in that.
4. So like Tempestus Scions Tier? or is that just the normal Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii stuff but with better Tech?
yup, they is important as it will help us a lot and make sure the Dutchy now has to take a Fortress world again. It will help a lot with pacifying some worlds as we go. nice to see the Office pulling double duty.
yah I would hope so, the Anansi is the only one we have that can help in that environment. Just to check, could tread vehicles drive up the buildings in a hive if we magnetize the treads?
fair.
fair, I checked and we didn't, just thought we did.
Nice, they finally got upgrades and have a safety net of sorts now.
Fashion of course! Marketability is the foremost point of any Warhammer unit, just look at the Catachans and their often shirtless Rambo look. I thought the Hoods were to fit the psyker look.
Fair enough and seems to be going well then, its been that long huh? and yah, fuck. We lost our chance at an easy prize. All we had to do was do an action to make contract and either support a house trying for the throne or bribe some houses. With the Centralization they'll be in better position and start moving push just being feudal Knight Worlds.
Ah, alright just wanted to ask. keep it simple if need be.
I meant the second stage the Logistical armor II and thought we needed to finish Weapon and Armor both for the SAG increase to happen.
Alright, we did go with this now. So nomadic Kil'drabi fleets. losing them from our SBG's but that should be fine. We'll need to fill in those SBG's but for next turn. I do think having the Kil'drabi being another doctrine will help us in some ways and help support other operations.
I mean their entire culture and heritage is in the Battlecolonies. Everything given they were nomads before they set down so everything important is in the Battlecolony. Also shows how the mentality of a nomadic fleet was and their thought process regarding ships. This does mean we REALLY need to keep in mind the Fleets of the Kil'Drabi will be different in battle and how to engage, we can't ask them to risk the Battlecolony if we ask a damaged fleet to attack the enemy or they're the only ones around to intercept a ship or the like. Just something to keep mind.
So they will recover the ship wrecks and try to bring them back online if need but overall will write them off its too hot to get them or the like. Damn, so that will leave wrecks for other to study, not our doctrine they'll get from it but that Rotary Plasma guns man... oh well.
Oh neat, legit alien thoughts and perspectives based on their physiology and makes reason when understanding them. they don't need any temperature control at all given the extreme tolerance for hot and cold, so doing that for a single weapon type seems like a waste of materials. they got by fine without them and can still do now. And the big emphasis there for those who don't pick up what is said in the paragraph.
QM does not trust in our reading comprehension.
again, no faith in reading comprehension but it is worth it to point out the roles of the Cruisers since they do specialize in different roles.
This is honestly feeling like the set up for a Ace Combat/Project Wingman game. Or just with wolfpack and independent operation for light ships. Kinda reminds me of another quest and I think this means the light cruisers, frigates, and destroyers will see more action and combat then the Heavy Cruisers and Battlecolony. Heavy Cruisers protect the Battle Colony above all and lend the heavy weapons for breaking enemy fleets if it gets to that but Light Cruisers will being leading the smaller forces in raids and battles more.
I pity those who the Kil'Drabi fight since it'll be really annoying when the fleet can just move on and have no set base a on world focus on. I would say that giving them some rustbuckets would help them and give room for them expanding the fleet more.
Huh, go big or go home basically. It makes sense to mix them when put like that and helps with putting Heavy weapons on there. Probably for the best as it helps planners to go light or heavy with the Light Cruisers having the ability to punch up.
Holy SHit! I knew they would get something but to that degree? I guess giving up Medium weapons and a whole weapon type does that. And the lore and culture reason for needing that as well as Nomadic Fleets. Still that should be good. Doubling up is something we can do with equipment right? so manufacturies and Repairs bay can double up same as armor or the like?
Yah, and how long ago was it that the old timers were complaining about the construction of Battle Colonies wasn't the same anymore? I think they did a full circle of nomads to sedentary to nomads again. I do wonder how they will move around and where since we will have to let the nearby factions know and that 'no it is not a invasion fleet and they are not there for war'. That would be a hella of a introduction to the Black Ash Clan if they went that direction.
Yahhhh, this was really the time we kinda needed him. shame about the timing of things.You think if we pray hard enough Alectai will pop back up?
No, No, you are in the right here QM. We would have pigeonholed this into making good ships to support our SBG's and the like and forgetting the place and role of the ships.More making sure you understand for whom you are creating these ships.
No? They are the equivalent of Paris to France. The center of the nation, but by no means the center of arms/ship manufacturing. They are the birth-place of all Kil'drabi, and all else flows from there. Shipyards are constructed on a need basis, or put on specialised classes for long-term uses.
and yah, places that are the heart of a culture or people, population center, and important with history but not the main production or construction center. Which would be an arsenal ship or Mobile Shipyard of some kind like that.
This making me think of Trent's Space Mecha with the BC as a Heavy Auxiliary or Arkship. and more specifically Space Mecha Remnant Fleet quest. the Arkship and capitals will be be back and not engaging unless its needed or unavoidable and most fighting carried out by the lighter elements of the fleet. The Light Cruiser being resupply points that can fight back and join their dependents and pushing the operational range.
Fair enough, the Yeeni would suffer for it. no need to put them through th- Wait, Yeeni what are you doing? NO, stop. Do not build your own Battlecolony, CEASE!
Honestly not bad and seems to fit the naming scheme we've had with the Battlecolonies and aping the style of the naming for the cruisers.
*harder
overall better then Macro-cannons but more high tech and such. I don't think we'll have a problem since we can support it and we don't need to tech down. Still getting the Variable Plasma shells would help a lot with this too.
OH I didn't think about that. I just knew upping both length and width was better overall with more volume to put stuff in. How many weapon systems can we cram into a ship then based on that or is it a 'try it and find out' thing?
That too, where the history, the genes, where the life of Kil'drabi are all centered in the Battlecolony. lose it and no more kids, losing the elders as well.The way the Kil'drabi think about and operate their fleets boils down to the simple fact that, for literally 99.9% of their recorded/remembered history, a Kil'drabi Fleet lives and dies with its Battlecolony. It is where all Kil'drabi are born, where their genes are stored, where their children are raised, educated, and where the old stay to raise the young and guide the whole.
If ships need to be built, a Battlecolony plops itself down in a system with resources, builds mining and construction shuttles, and begins to create shipyards as needed for the classes desired. When underway, ships are repaired on a need basis, or via makeshift yards quickly made on a stop to another system. The Automated Internal Foundries are capable of, if needed, allowing a lone BC to build the void industries required for a new fleet wholesale, but cannot, themselves, make Warp Ships in-situ.
So if a BC is destroyed...no children. No ships. No repairs. No future. This Kil'drabi fleet is dead.
Which probably has had absolutely no influence on religious developments for the Kil'drabi at all, promise.
Oh boy, just what they doing before the Inquisitor hijacked the Droman SDF to nearly killing them to extinction. Overall it is a good set up, just means they plop down for a few decades. Can't make the Ships while in transit but can make the stuff to make Void Industries.... QM could we use the Nomadic Fleet so to build Void Industry in some places, like making a anchorage or the yards in a FOB on a planet or some hidden place?
I mean, they did lose most of their Battle Colonies when the that battle happened. So I would have though that would have been sorted out... unless they focused on saving their species and now just don't need it will happen.
Makes sense, and having more than one Battle colony would help out with lessening the burden and make things going faster. Yah, again the doctrine/view of the Nomadic Fleets, as the light Cruisers, yes it makes sense for some repair bays or small amount of Automated internal foundries as its meant fulfill that role in some way. But the light Cruisers and the like are supposed to come back to the Battle colony or other ship for resupply of what it can't resupply on its own.
I do like it as it shows some view and perspective at odds we have to work around rather then change it.
Curses! one day we will spend the four actions needed for that.
OH holy shit. I forgot about that part of warp travel to be honest. We haven't had to deal with it at all either... QM is this something that's being rolled for now or another mechanic being added in? or what was the reason for it this time? And yah, that extra week we just got should be useful and glad they didn't detect the Chamleons at all.
Still if this is a thing we need to take into account its going to ... be weird and hard. Like how do you plan around the warp giving or taking a week or more during travel.
Oh shit, we took every SBG and the Lamenters with us?! I thought we took like Four of the SBG's and the lamenters fleet. So All we left behind was the Defense Station?
I'm always glad to see the little mentions with the Lamenters getting a break and a good ally. I really hope we didn't lose a bunch of them to Null-nets, it would be their luck.
HAH, right and now Imperium descended naming schemes. So we have Battle Fleets Holy Flower and Purity of Dawn. I guess there's only one Battlefleet over at Vluas. Damn they just are drilled to a point since we can't manage to get them off guard.
Indeed and I wish we had more Lance equipped ships instead of just the Artillery Frigates. Reach is everything and why we made longer pointer sticks and then making weapons that threw things farther. the one with Reach or Range is the one who determines the pace of combat and when it starts. Right now with our lances outranging theirs, they have to advance or push forward unless they want to just dealt a death of a thousand cuts.
Good explaining it with the examples there.
I'm guessing that is a reference to Alexander the Great with the Macedonian Phalanx. And not too many Sagitarrius-Secundus within our ranks but enough to drain the shields and and manage a few kills. Again positions and speed of ships trying to reach their assigned locations and some overextending.
Seriously? even with Six SBG's and the Lamenters we aren't dogpilling them? not sure if this was some frontline units freed up for this or just the rolls on the Dutchy's size.
Still we have enough tonnage and numbers come out on top.
Ah Lamenter ship then and what the hell is this? sudden sickness that killed most of the original crew? this smells off, something to investigate afterward. And joy, a green crew who has only done shakedowns and their first real combat.
I mean if they can withstand the torpedoes and ram through the ships, it would help a lot. Seems they are getting used to things with the ramming both bracing and getting the course and speed for it.
And a good show of how experience helps a lot, seems like around 5 seconds for them to do it where for the veteran crew they could do it on instinct alone. small thing but apply that to a lot of other things and see the effects.
and another destroyer cracked in half.... oh right besides ramming that ship only has a missile turret and boarding torpedoes and boarding craft in a hangar. So that is the main way of damage.
And there is the boarding, I hope the two ships being boarded are the Light cruisers or the like since they'd do more impact there. Interesting how the missiles are used to support the Thrules rather then as the attack itself. Nice little thing of the Thrules doing the wing waggle.
Oh, well I don't know how the lines mashes and look like but I'm guessing the requirement of the Leos and the Lamenters cruisers ramming in there gave them the range and targets to fire then? I think we're gonna need an afterbattle report of how the battle went in terms of movement and positioning. I guess it was worth getting rid of them no matter how many other Dutchy ships got caught up in it.
fracking A. alright lets see how many Lamenters we lost.
Anddddd Saved by the hand of the Star Child. Holy shit I did not expect that. Apparently there is also other nations besides us doing Iconoclast. So surprised with that happened and what I think was tipping the Light Cruisers down and thus missing their shots against our Leos.
Seriously? it was Six SBG's worth and the Lamenters fleet. We managed to avoid any big losses with the Null-nets firing and I'm guessing there was no Flyssa destroyers at all.... I Guess they're all being used or with the other Fleet at Vluas. We did see a grand total of... I think it was first three at Voxx Primus that got rotated out for four, then two that were at Echish before the the fleet pulled out and retreated. So there is around 5 Flyssa's around that we have seen that haven't been destroyed so far.
yah, that's the kind of petty yet somewhat understandable thing for the Dutchy to do. We're the only faction to focus on crew survivability and having armored Lifepods for the crew to live. The Dutchy would see that as valuing our crew and targeting them to deny any hulls that could be repaired and killing off any crew that ejected from the ship in the lifepods. I mean... when we are the only ones doing that and experience is a valuable currency it makes sense but it comes off as so petty though.
and the vote itself now. given the QM said it was only mining stations and waystations, I really don't care about the the void infrastructure here but we do want to reduce as much of the Fleet as possible. I think we can stomach it since its not even a full SBG of losses.... yet. I'm sure we'll have to deal with that after but if we can destroy the two fleets by the start of next turn we will have at least bought ourselves time to prepare for the next wave.
Still sixty percent losses on the Retreat for the Dutchy is tempting... we have destroyed a lot... but I'd rather get all of them. I just wonder if we should be pragmatic or stick how the StarChild would and focus on saving those armored lifepods and the like.
Oh that's how the rolls went... well that fucking explains the Null Nets, two 5's. and holy hell the Dutchy beat us in everything except the Null Net firing. that would explain some things.
Agreed, pragmatically the good choice considering their rolls and not dealing with them in the future.
..... I can't tell if that was a joke or something that would exist in 40k.
Oh? not the one at Vluas either? well that's fine by us. I'm guessing they were suppose to come to finish up the massing of the Battlefleets here and arrive later. At the very least we just reduced the amount of ships they can hide between or behind and make it easier for the future.
We have other Silbings! that most likely won't show up in quest since QM did confirm that we can't do anything else in that breaking any of the other seals to lead to the Star Child being born. So We might not meet any of them.
I think that means more then 60 percent. And I do agree with finishing this if only to deny them any of the Blank Brains they harvested and whittle that down.
And yah its the thing from Goblin Slayer, they will play to your weakness and the like, so you have to show them its meaningless and won't do anything. So in this case save the armored lifepods and the like being rushing in fast and killing them off faster.
Hey! I just found that musical two weeks ago. But yes Ruthlessness is in the Melodies and I think we'll be able to grab another Melody in like three turns now.
You know that would be cool to see how the Dutchy sees us or just as a Nega-Quest omake where the Nega-quest base is reading about us.
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The fact that we are getting more battle colonies to supply our fleets and a light cruiser design that includes major supply generation and repair makes having supply generation on our regular ship less needed.
I say that the new carrier should have no supply generation and as we build them we mix them so all SBG's get a mix of the new improved carrier with lances and ones with supply generation.
We can add one of the new light cruisers to the next SBG we build to create one intended for solo operations to take all the systems that are out of the way of the main offensive.
Now we done a ground upgrade turn a space tech turn should be done to get the parts needed for the designs(new engines, rotary plasma cannon)
The fact that we are getting more battle colonies to supply our fleets and a light cruiser design that includes major supply generation and repair makes having supply generation on our regular ship less needed.
I say that the new carrier should have no supply generation and as we build them we mix them so all SBG's get a mix of the new improved carrier with lances and ones with supply generation.
We can add one of the new light cruisers to the next SBG we build to create one intended for solo operations to take all the systems that are out of the way of the main offensive.
Now we done a ground upgrade turn a space tech turn should be done to get the parts needed for the designs(new engines, rotary plasma cannon)
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I'd be very interested in that as well.
As for your other questions;
The Eddies of the Warp roll happened because this was the first time-critical deployment you had. Wouldn't do to miss the enemy fleet by a day while they are en-route to your system, now would it?
The fact that, despite throwing everything but the kitchen sink at them, the Duchy ships still manage to hold out so well while outnumbered 2-to-1 may, possibly, have to do with the fact that they have the Phalanx Doctrine. You know, the one where they link the shields of dozens to hundreds of ships together? Which means that any damage not Bomber, Torpedo, or Ramming needs to destroy the cumulative shields of dozens of ships before firing upon hulls. Haaa...if only you had a weapon that no-sold shields. Alas, such a thing does not exist.
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The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure they still don't know we're majority human. Or even "any" human at all.
Does this bypass shields?Haaa...if only you had a weapon that no-sold shields. Alas, such a thing does not exist.
-[] The Starlance (1/3)
Though named after the weapon that annihilated twenty-two Light Cruisers in its first showing against the Federation, the weapon is projected to be far weaker than its namesake, and, far more importantly, will not need a billion sapient souls to fire, nor the weird black stones used as amplyfiers. Situated in the prow of a ship and operated by a Choir, the Starlance projects a beam of psychic might against the enemy in a continuous stream at short ranges, with its destructive potential enhanced if a ship accelerates against its targeted foe.
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He's clearly talking about the Rad Lance, and yet the text here basically says, "It's not actually good at defeating the enemy" @HeroCooky :
Heavy Rad-Lance - A weapon utilizing radioactive processes to propell a titanic spinal-beam of power against the enemy, bypassing shields altogether. However, it is weak against armor and is mostly adept at temporarily scrambling the sensors of an enemy shield by inducing massive interference.
But we could try to do some Rad-Lance stuff...
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1) Did we lose cruiser hangar tax, or is it still in force?
2) How big you have to be to (reliably) prematurely trigger null-net? Can we use a swarm of boarding shuttles with automated or servitor pilots for such, for example?
3) Description of Rad Lance implies that it is a spinal/prow weapon, is it correct? Does it have similar range as Medium Prow Lance? Does it benefit from lance equipment?
4) Would triple Medium Prow Lance strain Light Cruiser's energy system like Saggitarius' does?
5) Would laser macro-cannons benefit from lance or projectile enhancement equipment? Would it be a hitscan weapon?
1) Did we lose cruiser hangar tax, or is it still in force?
2) How big you have to be to (reliably) prematurely trigger null-net? Can we use a swarm of boarding shuttles with automated or servitor pilots for such, for example?
3) Description of Rad Lance implies that it is a spinal/prow weapon, is it correct? Does it have similar range as Medium Prow Lance? Does it benefit from lance equipment?
4) Would triple Medium Prow Lance strain Light Cruiser's energy system like Saggitarius' does?
5) Would laser macro-cannons benefit from lance or projectile enhancement equipment? Would it be a hitscan weapon?
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[] [Light Cruiser] Pilum-Class Light Cruiser
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-[] Length - 4.400 Meters (-1)
-[] Width - 600 Meters (-1)
-[] Acceleration -5 Gravities (-1)
-[] Armor - Medium Double Hull
-[] Shields - One Matrix
-[] Weapons - Heavy Rad Lance (-4), Rad Lance x2 (-6)
-[] Equipment - Ship Shrine (-1)/ Advanced Alloying (-1)/Armored Lifepods (-1)/Snapshot Pinpoint Targeting Systems (-3)[1]/Superior Gravimetric Engine Calculations (-2)/Elite Crews or Veteran Crews (-3 or -6)
This would cost 27 at the max, but obviously if Snapshot Pinpoint Targeting Systems isn't useful, it's 1 DP under-budget. If it is useful, or there's some other 3 DP useful Lance Equipment, we can just do Veteran Crews instead.
[1] Does this do anything for Rad Lances, @HeroCooky , I don't think so, but I'm adding it to take off later. (Write-In, Example: #1, #2, #3.)
-[] Sketch (Purely Optional)
-[] Length - 4.400 Meters (-1)
-[] Width - 600 Meters (-1)
-[] Acceleration -5 Gravities (-1)
-[] Armor - Medium Double Hull
-[] Shields - One Matrix
-[] Weapons - Heavy Rad Lance (-4), Rad Lance x2 (-6)
-[] Equipment - Ship Shrine (-1)/ Advanced Alloying (-1)/Armored Lifepods (-1)/Snapshot Pinpoint Targeting Systems (-3)[1]/Superior Gravimetric Engine Calculations (-2)/Elite Crews or Veteran Crews (-3 or -6)
This would cost 27 at the max, but obviously if Snapshot Pinpoint Targeting Systems isn't useful, it's 1 DP under-budget. If it is useful, or there's some other 3 DP useful Lance Equipment, we can just do Veteran Crews instead.
[1] Does this do anything for Rad Lances, @HeroCooky , I don't think so, but I'm adding it to take off later. (Write-In, Example: #1, #2, #3.)
You cant use 4Dp weapons on light cruisers, as the list starts with:
Notice! Due to their size, these weapons cannot be mounted on anything smaller than Heavy Cruisers.
I would add a regular lance in case the rad ones take down the shields to damage the ship before it gets its shields working again
There is this:
Pure Lenses - Fine-tuned lenses allow beams to stay coherent for longer ranges without any energy loss, allowing ambushes and kiting tactics to be far more effective. All Lance weaponry have a 50% increased range.
And i would spend at least a single point on:
Light Lances - Pumping large amounts of energy into focusing lenses and through capacitors from the ships' reactor, Lances are limited in their firing duration by what their cooling systems can deliver. Thus slow to shoot, they nonetheless make up for that by boasting a nearly 100% accuracy rate as they fire at the speed of light.
mounted in turrets to hit fast moving targets
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I think it'd be better to mix radlances with normal ones?
One scrambles the shield, the other punches through?
Though, tbh, I had assumed that phalanx would no sell rad. Scrambling shield 1 is pointless if shields 2-10 remain active.
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Huh. I assumed it was carriers, since bombers are one of the things that explicitly don't have to go through all the shields.
The fact that, despite throwing everything but the kitchen sink at them, the Duchy ships still manage to hold out so well while outnumbered 2-to-1 may, possibly, have to do with the fact that they have the Phalanx Doctrine. You know, the one where they link the shields of dozens to hundreds of ships together? Which means that any damage not Bomber, Torpedo, or Ramming needs to destroy the cumulative shields of dozens of ships before firing upon hulls. Haaa...if only you had a weapon that no-sold shields. Alas, such a thing does not exist.
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I think the only answer is for us to study the Shields ourselves, both so we can deploy them if they're useful, but also to know how to counter them.
It's important to keep on improving, though TBH we're not in a crisis. Yes, it's bullshit that they can keep this up, but we're steadily improving across the board while they're putting more and more resources on our end. So in one sense I think we're doing alright?
It's just we could be doing better.