Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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It's not breaking if you are using the original devkit. It's "rolling out an update".
They're behind the masquerade, but still heavily involved with the mundane world. It's canon that they are huge players on the financial markets and use it as a weapon against other factions, for example.
Maybe they can't magically compel people to do things, but money spends just as well for them as it does anyone else.
They also have the option of buying information from spirits. Most of them have at least some involvement in that kind of thing.
I meant all at once for him, the rest of the circle is a different question.
My concern is basically a teenager who just managed to fist fight his way to a taste of power getting peak physical condition over the course of a day or two and getting cocky.
It'd be really hard not to wouldn't it? Think back to when you were sixteen and imagine you got He-Man's stat line over a long weekend.
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Dark Reaper
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I thought about how to connect the exalted and Dresden verse. In many ways my theory is that someone reproduced humans too accurately in their original design of faith batteries. And since then there have been attempts to compensate for this. Whether it is creating old gods or creating a distant all-god who is too distant and unknowable to have much impact.
OK, looks like demonic enhancements are a go.
Because of who he is. More specifically, because of who he is related to.
The son of the wielder of Amoracchius and the sibling of the only active E4 Solaroid on the planet and the boyfriend of an E4 Exigent draws a ton more aggro than the spirit-blood daughter of a random Midwesterner.
Its the same reason poor Maggie Angelica Dresden got targeted by the Reds.
It wasnt who she was, it was who she was related to.
Nepotism is the fifth fundamental force of the Dresdenverse.
Because there is fuckall we can do to make him prevail against an elder Denarian trying to eat his face.
Or running into a greater akuma in a dark alley.
We can max out his mortal shit, but he'd still BE mortal.
1) Charity already knew Molly could flout her; this quest started with Molly having unilaterally moved out of the house for several months before the Arctis Tor thing happened, specifically because Charity and Molly clashed hard.
There was a hotly contested vote about us moving back in, and we almost didnt.
She is flexible because we have spent months demonstrating our capability, responsibility AND judgement.
That we dont make wild judgements. Molly earned the forbearance she currently has. Not because she couldnt take it, but because she got Charity to grudgingly admit that she does appear to know what she is doing.
2) Lydia to Daniel
"I know way more about swords than guns," Daniel points out. "As in I have never fired a gun in my life."
"That is a good thing," Lydia counters. "Means you have nothing to unlearn. Also I think that silk-backed body armor suits you. We just have to get you one made custom so you can hide it under your street clothes. What about helmets though? Something with cameras so you do not loose peripheral vision?"
He laughs. "Trying to turn me into Iron Man now?"
Lydia turns to look at him seriously. "Trying to keep you alive. I don't doubt you can learn how to be dangerous, people, mortals" she grimaces at the word. "Have always been able to do that. It's staying safe that's harder. Don't ask yourself 'how to I kill a vampire of the Black Court', ask instead 'how am I going to keep doing that even when I am unlucky, even when I am outnumbered' and 'how do I run when I can't'. Better to be the longbowman than the knight."
Daniel nods at the advice, but he can't quite stop the smile that sneaks onto his face. "Careful your cultural bias is showing."
"That is a good thing," Lydia counters. "Means you have nothing to unlearn. Also I think that silk-backed body armor suits you. We just have to get you one made custom so you can hide it under your street clothes. What about helmets though? Something with cameras so you do not loose peripheral vision?"
He laughs. "Trying to turn me into Iron Man now?"
Lydia turns to look at him seriously. "Trying to keep you alive. I don't doubt you can learn how to be dangerous, people, mortals" she grimaces at the word. "Have always been able to do that. It's staying safe that's harder. Don't ask yourself 'how to I kill a vampire of the Black Court', ask instead 'how am I going to keep doing that even when I am unlucky, even when I am outnumbered' and 'how do I run when I can't'. Better to be the longbowman than the knight."
Daniel nods at the advice, but he can't quite stop the smile that sneaks onto his face. "Careful your cultural bias is showing."
Dresden is an experienced Starborn Wizard of the White Council, and is explicitly characterized as one of the fifty strongest wizards in the world for brute magical strength. Dresden almost died in Vegas, despite the support of two Exalts, a Nephilim, and a short platoon of Sanctuary special forces.
We're at the point where our enemies will be throwing enough area damage to murder mortals in the
Even given the king's ransom worth of magical artifacts we're likely to kit him out with, the people we're playing with will scrag him casually in the area damage of trying to kill Molly.
Note that we did not bring Olivia to Yomi Wan. There's a reason for that.
The narrative and social consequences of IDU are straight up unacceptable in a family member.
I will refer you to the Korean warlock at the beginning of Proven Guilty for just how much of a PR disaster such a thing would be for Molly; it fits all the patterns for mad warlock behavior . Never mind what it does to our internal relationships with family.
I am very much set against it.
1) I dont believe IDU bars anyone from Exaltation. Still mortal, still qualifies.
2)That said, Im absolutely opposed to sticking IDU on family.
Its classic mad warlock behavior, and it will negatively impact our relationship with our family.
3) Other people have addressed the argument about our ability to affect Solar Exaltation, and how it works.
TLDR Its not likely to be within Molly's capabilites. Bigger and badder entities, from Primordials to elder Exalts, have tried and failed to fuck with the choices of an Exaltation shard.
Here's the thing:
I find it hilariously implausible that Molly is supposed to be able to convince Charity "I broke down the doors to Arctis Tor" Carpenter to change her mind, but not Daniel Carpenter.
Molly made protecting Cauldron part of her treaty with Lara Raith. She and Lydia both went to Maria Castellanis' wedding, and there were plenty of spirits there watching the gathering of people with Power. And the Skavis explicitly aborted their planned infiltration of Cauldron when he heard that Molly was a member, falling back on using the Ants instead.
I cant imagine any supernatural who has any interest in Molly, or in not getting killed by Molly, being unaware of this group of small-timers bearing a "Touch them and die" marking above their heads.
They might not know who is on the membership list, but they know of them.
Why? Rebelling against the rule/law of one person does not mean that you value liberty for its own sake.
Many a rebel has turned around to impose authoritarian rule in the place of the regime they overthrow; they want freedom for themselves, not for others.
And the backstory of Lucifer in Christian mythology is not Free Will, its Pride and Usurpation:
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
DF Demons are restricted, and have angels and archangels auditing their every move. OWOD Demons are NOT restricted.
All in all, I'd rather have to deal with the malevolent supernaturals who are being explicitly vibe-checked by the agents of the local Creator-deity. Than have to deal with those who have been left to run amok.
Take it from someone who was using those flights: no they werent.
And especially not for a nine-person family; super economic will still run you the price of a good car just in travel costs. While the Carpenters were solidly middle class, they werent rich. Not "take vacations abroad" rich.
Of course, we intend to change that. But it hasnt changed yet.
Comfortably middle-class, big family. As in BIG family.
Three cars comfortable, not "drop five figures on a family vacation abroad" comfortable.
A lot of people dont internalize what it means to raise 7 children in the United States.
Even with Michael having been a veteran and thus having access to healthcare and housing programs courtesy of Uncle Sam to defray stuff like the healthcare costs of that many children.
I mean, Molly went to private school before she was kicked out. Presumably, so did all her siblings.
Just the math on paying for private school is prima facie evidence that the White God exists in the setting, because there was no other way to affort it on a one-income blue collar household
Most Shih are canonically trained by wandering mendicants with no training in raising children or soldiers, whose main criteria for recruits is usually "what child is least likely to be missed by society". They then spend a significant part of their apprenticeship foraging for the necessities not training.
There's very little surprise in a kid with the superpower of nepotism and the very best tutors a planetary nationstate can afford doing better.
Casting from hitpoints is not really a survivable longterm strategy
Thats why the Shih often have such a low life expectancy.
Didnt KNOW I agree with; Uriel is not the Almighty.
Didnt suspect? I doubt it. Especially since the Nephilim are literally Old Testament lore in the setting.
And are hardly the only scions running around the place.
Demon The Fallen was a lot more likely to cost you more than you were willing to pay.
We did a connecting flight from Amsterdam.
I suspect we briefly panicked a LOT of European-based supernaturals when we stopped over at Schiphol for our layover.
Divination. Spirits.
Harry is not the only person who has a legion of spirits and similar information-trading entities at his beck and call.
And I doubt that people as metaphysically weighty as Lydia or Tiffany could step off a KLM flight in Cardiff without half the country knowing they were around. Especially Lydia, daughter and heir of Annwyn, who has ancestral links to this land. I would not be surprised if the land itself heralded her coming.
At that point its simply a matter of deduction.
Since you might see one member of our war party about, but hardly see two without a third being around.
Spirits dont have problems with technology.
A wizard who invests in relationships with non-human allies can have them interface with mortal technology on their behalf without any issue.
And we do know that wizards invest in those relationships, from Dresden using the Little Folk as spies in and around Chicago up to Ebenezar being able to whistle up a not-tengu army at Chitchen Itza in canon. Even this AU has seen the presumed spirit that apparently tracked Molly in this AU from the canals in Vegas to set up the RPG ambush.
Besides, its hard canon that the Council control or influence significant chunks of the real economy. Big enough that Butcher called them Wizard BlackRock, and big enough that economic warfare was a big chunk of how they fought the vampire war, with wizards who had centuries of experience with the economy weaponizing it to fuck up Red Court interests.
That suggests that yes, they do have reliable interface with non-wizards. Secret or not.
The global financial system has happily laundered hundreds of billions of dollars of dirty money for drug cartels and corrupt Third World politicians; a secret organization with old money dating to the foundations of the modern economic system is not going to have any problems. Computers or not.
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We'll have to explain those to Charity, won't we?
If nothing else, it should be a relatively safe test of character, I think.
IDU is a fomor-making charm. And Solar shards are very discerning in their tastes:
IDU is at least as strong a bond as becoming a ghoul is. More so, even. It definitely disqualifies you for Solar exaltation. Not for a Lunar one, though.
On "Bigger and badder entities, from Primordials to elder Exalts, have tried and failed to fuck with the choices of an Exaltation shard." - can I get a quote please? I hear that a lot, but from my own readings of the books that's just not true. Can I get several examples that demonstrate that bigger and badder entities tried and systematically failed in directing the exaltations? As far as I remember, Sol got to choose his Zeniths directly, Autochton was able to bar exaltations from choosing anyone within Autochtonia, Sidereals regularly predicted who will exalt long before it happened, Yozis were able to weld an entirely new targeting mechanism onto solar shards in the process of making them Infernal, Deathlords got to choose their Abyssals pretty much at will (as long as certain conditions were met) with nothing left to chance at all. You can't directly order an exalt, yes, but directing solaroid exaltations has been done before.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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- Russia Moscow
In my opinion, the fallen of the world of darkness are better purely because in many ways redemption is an active goal for some of them. Plus, they are not one of the main evils of the setting, no more than all the other factions and forces. In many ways, I just think they are closer to a situation where they can coexist with others without causing Armageddon. As for counterweight, the same goes for everyone else. The World of Darkness is abandoned by God for the most part. There are almost no good guys there.
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No? They would just be stat boosts and we never went over the threshold to cause delirium. We won't have any noticeable changes to others and so we won't have to explain anything to anyone.
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I explained precisely this point in the very quote you are quoting and which you conveniently ignored:
Could we have convinced him? Of course, if we tied him to a chair so he couldn't ignore us and we would slowly crush all of his willpower that he would use to maintain his desires until he was completely empty and accepted anything we said. This is how we could have done it even with Charity, no matter how good she rolls her dice.
Would I have problems with this? Oh sure and I would have complained, just like you love to do many times about how this would go against Molly's established character and that she is not a blank slate NPC created by us and so on. But I would accept it in bad taste if it was the topic's desire.
But that wasn't what won the vote and it wasn't what we did, what won was a promise to train him and give him power, knowing full well that he would use that to fight the good fight and to help us, as it was the entire basis of his desire and which many want to reduce to the simple and crude teen desire to impress his girlfriend. Knowing this, and deciding that if this was what he wanted, we would use all our resources (our forging skills, the skills of our allies, the best trainers and best training grounds in an entire world liberated by order of the their Divine Queen, etc) to help him as much as possible and have him with us so we can keep an eye on him. If this promise is made, why only go halfway?
As you said, nepotism is the fifth fundamental force in this world, who said that this can only bring risks and not help?
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I think there is no direct quote because it's in large part an argument from silence, particularly the lack of Primordials doing that in the Primordial War. The Celestial Exalted took massive casualties and won partly because Celestials kept respawning and Primordials didn't. Over the course of a war that lasted years, if the Primordials had had a way to make an Exaltation stop picking people, or to pick loyal minions of the Primordials, or otherwise to behave in a way more favorable to them, they would have eagerly done it. They didn't.
The Aftershock Primordial had centuries to learn and prepare itself for when it came back to kill a bunch more Exalts in Primordial War 2:The Sequel, and it also didn't hack any exaltations into joining its side, even being powerful enough to kill lots of Celestials who were themselves centuries-old Elders at this point. (Dreams:Lands page 14, The Aftershock War.)
There's two indirect quotes on this.
Manual:Infernals page 27, The Triumph of the Will.
> the Primordials had ordered the gods to force
> their Exalts to stand down and cease all hostilities. The gods
> rankled as they gave that order, but they had no choice. Yet
> the Exalted, the gods revealed, were free to do as they chose,
> and they chose to continue fighting.
Manual:Abyssals page 27, Unnatural Selection.
> no power at all can bind a
> Celestial Exaltation to an unworthy mortal. Had it been
> otherwise, the Primordials would simply have commanded
> the rebellious Incarnae to send their Exaltations to pli-
> able weaklings instead of heroes willing to challenge the
> masters of Creation.
Sol did not choose his Zeniths directly in Second Edition, only notified them with a vision. Depending on GM he might not even do that. (Glories:Sun page 9, Righteous Answer of Catechism.)
Autochthon was able to bar Exaltations from entering Autochtonia, as part of making the entire dimension of Autochtonia locked up and inaccessible to everyone outside that dimension. This is hardly "influencing choices", you can get the same effect by killing people to make them invalid candidates.
Sidereals are only intermittently able to predict Sidereal Exaltation which is supposed to be foreordained, and even that gets interrupted by outside fate assholes and overwhelming Essence use. (Manual:Sidereals page 49, Preparing for Exaltation.)
The Yozis did not put on a new targeting mechanism. The Infernal Exaltation uses the same targeting mechanism, but the Yozis briefly hold it back until after the moment of heroism, or after the moment when heroism is called for. This usually results in the mortal overreach, getting stomped and losing badly, putting them in a hopefully Yozi-like mood of wanting revenge on the world. Then the Yozis let go of the "leash" and the Exaltation resumes attaching to the mortal as normal. (Manual:Infernals page 24, The Moment of Selection.)
The Deathlords have managed to steer who an Abyssal Exaltation goes to. Those are the most changed for various reasons including the Artifact N/A Monstrance of Celestial Portion plot devices, which are empowered by the Neverborn and can turn trapped Solars into Abyssals with dark rituals. (Third Circle Necromancy.)
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Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
That tracks. I stopped looking at the supernatural factors, what I was arguing against was the notion that they could have direct access to a tech based system used for monitoring people as technological means were being brought up.
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Arc 13 Post 10: Left Side Driving
Left Side Driving
3rd of February 2007 A.D.
The sound of milk, chocolate and ice stops abruptly as Tiffany looks up at Daniel with a small sharp smile playing on her lips. "You can ask you know whatever on your mind. Normally when a man looks at me that intently I assume it's not answers they're looking for, but I don't think that's you Daniel Carpenter."
Your brother looks by turn, flattered, flustered and just a little bit guilty as he ducks his head, trying to hide his eyes in his plate before giving it up for a bad idea.
"Why are people evil?" he blurts out, then corrects himself. "Why do they do evil?"
"Ah moral philosophy," she laughs, but the tone makes it clear she's laughing with him, not at him, like all the world's a joke and he's in on it. "the usual way to answer that is with a question, 'what is evil' maybe, but Socrates was a bit of a bore, so let's don't and say I did. By people I assume you mean mortals?"
"Yeah, lets start with humans," your brother says leaning over the table a little. He does not normally do that, not since coming into his full height, but Tiffany looks anything but intimidated.
You lock eyes with Lydia, she rolls hers. One can almost see her making a mental note to teach him to be more on his guard.
"Because they think that in some way they are doing good," the Fallen angel answers. "I'm not going to say self-consciously evil humans do not exist. They do, but that is taxing on the mind and spirit, more so even than being willfully good I have come to believe."
"So what, it's easier to be good than evil?" Doubt hangs heavy in his voice.
"No." Tiffany shakes her head, hair somehow slipping artfully out of her ponytail, a halo of gold framing her face. "It is easier to think of yourselves as good than evil. A human is not a rational creature most of the time, they are a rationalizing one, storytellers beyond compare and what better story that one in which you are cast as the hero? Or the victim, that works too. When both are twined to singular purpose there is very little one will not do for the cause, whatever that may be."
"What about people who just want power though?" Daniel presses after a few seconds of thoughts. "Just so they can get more power and..."
"Nonsense. That is a caricature." Tiffany interrupts him. "The power-hungry are driven, to their minds, by their own worthiness and they think they are worthy of power due to how wise they judge that they would use it. The worst of the worst you can imagine on some level want power for the exact same reason you do, they want to use it to change the world. Accept that or 'presumption' shall be carved upon thy tombstone."
"No it won't," Lydia says quietly firmly as she takes Daniel's hand. It's hard to tell if she means the carving or the notion of him ever dying. He turns to her so fast he almost falls out of his seat. Apparently it had never occurred to him until now that he's playing the part of Eurydice to her Orpheus.
For her part Olivia looks uneasy, thinking on all those layers behind the skin of the world where she has not yet walked or maybe just at the sight of someone so young speaking with such conviction on matters of the heart. How to explain you wonder that Lydia isn't quite a child of the twenty first century? Perhaps the journey will do it for you.
Tiffany clears her throat. "In the interests of not treading into the deeper places of the underworld again anytime soon I offer you Daniel Carpenter not a bargain, for I do not expect to be paid, a favor, strength, agility, resilience. It should make that training of yours faster and lighter on the ribs..." Daniel looks guilty again though she does not give him time to deflect. "Yes I noticed the way your hand went to the side when recounting the less successful episodes."
To his credit though your brother does rally. "You do not expect payment, or you don't expect payment from me?" In the meantime he gives you the 'how crazy is this?' look. To which you tip your hand, glass of coke and all to one side and then the other. Your call little brother.
"Only if one were to count goodwill as payment," the once-Shadow laughs. "I'd rather not or I'd be in a rather deep hole."
"She's on the level," you add aloud,m no hint of a doubt in your mind. Descending into hell with someone makes for a great test.
"What do I have to do?" He's putting on a brave face, but he seems just a little freaked out when Tiffany just flips over her left hand and places on the table palm side up.
"A handshake would do, but I am trying not to play into stereotypes," she makes a joke of it and that's all he needs to reach out.
For the next few minutes there's hardly any sign that anything odd is going on, a breeze out of nowhere blowing through Tiffany's hair, a few twitches on Daniel's arm and chest then Lash opens her eyes. "Done."
Tiffany loses 3 Faith -> Now at 0/3
Tiffany loses 3 Willpower -> Now at 5/8
Daniel's Stamina, Strength and Dexterity Increased to 5!
"Huh, you don't..." Lydia stops and reassesses, for a rather long time in your opinion . "You look a little different, but not much."
"I do excellent work," Tiffany sniffs and finishes her slurry like nothing out of the ordinary had happened as Olivia gives an audible sigh of relief. On some level she must have expected something like her own empowering.
The flight from Amsterdam to Cardiff catches the first rays of dawn in its windows before depositing the five of you in the rarely morning of that city, just more American tourists, among dozens, maybe hundreds of others, sun sparking fiercely off steel. Of course most people who just came off a thirteen hour combined flight are not in a fit state to rent a car for a hundred mile journey across the length of south Wales, but that's just details.
"Don't suppose you'll let me drive?" your brother tries his luck.
"Didn't you just get your license last week?" you point out dubiously. "I don't think you're ready to drive on the other side of the road,"
"Oh let me try something..." Lydia whistles, a sound that starts off normal enough, but starts to wonder around the minor keys as it fades as though an unseen orchestra had picked it up from the edge of forgetting. The silence had not even the time to settle that the shadow of a large black car rolls in, its silver edges molten bright.
Lydia uses 2 Essence -> Jade Talisman at 1/3 (Carriage of the Ankou)
"I think you should be able to drive it without sitting in my lap," Lydia says absently as she opens the driver's side door. Daniel's expression makes it clear his feelings on the prospect are far from negative.
But contrary to his fears you keep silent, teasing ammunition this good should be saved up not shot on the spot.
"Other people, including the police are going to have a hard time noticing anything odd with this car," Lydia explains. Because it's Death's car and Death belongs on the road. Neither you nor Tiffany add that.
"Er... why is there blood on the steering wheel?" your brother asks instead.
"Oh, ignore that I had to anoint it with a bit of blood so that it would recognize that you're allowed to use it," comes the airy reply. "Come on."
Thankfully Daniel drives well enough down the... M4, according to the signs, that the car's peculiar form of stealth is not tested. Other than the odd spat over the radio dial, this car is old school, nothing odd happens until the fog rolls in from the sea and Daniel turns on the headlights. Where the pale light touches the car in front, a green Toyota, the metal is streaked with silver splotches.
"What the...?" Daniel asks wide-eyed.
"Someone died in that car," Lydia explains subdued. "Not a proper haunting or the ectoplasm would be more pervasive." She frowns. "Someone died in the trunk."
What do you do?
[] Trail the strange car
[] Continue on to the Teifi Marshes
[] Write in
OOC: Some really impresive rolling from Tiffany this time around.
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Rolls
Tiffany Read Emotions -> Charm vs Daniel Willpower...full speed ahead we go
Perception+Empathy to tell what Lydia means: Molly, Daniel... definitely gets it
Tiffany Shape Flesh: Stamina, Dexterity, Strength
Willpower to share a charm with her still inside (would not work at all without that)
Daniel driving Death's car
Tiffany Read Emotions -> Charm vs Daniel Willpower...full speed ahead we go
Perception+Empathy to tell what Lydia means: Molly, Daniel... definitely gets it
Tiffany Shape Flesh: Stamina, Dexterity, Strength
Willpower to share a charm with her still inside (would not work at all without that)
Daniel driving Death's car
[X] Trail the strange car
These two quotes (and thanks for that) are about very different things. The first quote is how Incarna (or, in fact, anyone at all) don't have direct magically-enforced command authority over exalted. That point is not in dispute, and is, in fact, the core reason for why exalted had to be mortals - no inherent geases by Primordials. Once exalted, you are free to do as you wish. This remains (mostly) true for Infernals and Abyssals too (more so for Infernals).
The second quote is closer to the topic at hand, but it's still not what I am looking for. It states that you have to be a suitable host, or exaltation won't work. However, nothing is said about whether anyone (like Sol) can select between worthy candidates. You can't make someone unworthy exalt, sure. But what if you have three equally worthy candidates? Can you make exaltation select one, instead of another?
That's arguable to say the least. Hell, in Return of the Scarlet Empress comic insert, Sol offers Dace a choice of exalting or passing away from old age. They have a proper dialog, Sol, gives him a vision, and a choice. So, as I said, arguable a bit.
No, this is very much "influencing choices". Because we know exaltations can be contained within a given area, or barred from entering a certain area. If you can do this, then there's nothing stopping you from limiting exaltation to selecting from an area where there is only one suitable candidate. Build a jade arena, throw monsters and a Dawn candidate in, and release the exaltation inside (while making sure it can't leave the arena). This results in exaltation only being able to select from the pool of one person - your candidate.
They still succeed systematically, as I understand. That's good enough for me to make the argument.
I'll provide citations from Scroll of Exalts later, but it seems that abyssals are directly selected by a conscious choice of Deathlords / Neverborn, and abyssals are solars with inverted polarity. So, if you can select who an abyssal exaltation goes to, you can do the same with a solar one.
Also, to add one more argument - Should the Sun not Rise allows the previous host of a solar shard to directly select the next host after dying. After dying is important, because at that time they are no longer a solar themselves, but a ghost.
Does "not a proper taunting" mean no soul that needs to be laid to rest? If so it's no obligation of Lydia's, let alone ours.
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Soaring through the Sky
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[X] Trail the strange car