What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?


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--[X] For Planetary Councils, the Civilian Admin Voices may be selected by any number of ways in part, but at least 50% of all such seats and Voices must be democratically elected using proportionality systems and universal adult suffrage, restrictions may apply but not many. (IE, if there are 8 seats in the Droma III Civilian Administration, at least 4 must be elected) In the case of a tie with all Councils, whichever side has more Civilian Administration Voices wins, breaking the tie.
If they are tie-breaker, shouldn't they have an uneven number so they can't tie in 2 option votes?

--[X] At a Polity-Wide Council, the following will be the division, subject to change in the future.
---[X] Choir: Seats decided by the local choirs, if the planet has any, empty otherwise. No Voice, only Veto and advisory.
Polity wide council has reference to local planet in the Choir Benchs description.
--[X] Benches for Higher Councils will be elected by varying methods. Civilian Administration seats are to be selected by separate free and fair universal-suffrage election, whereas local religious bodies are to aid in the selection of the seats for the Faith Voice(s), and so on.
So the idea that higher Councils Benches are made up based on the Benches of its direct sub-Councils is given up on?
That increases the coordination needed.
And gets worse with more layers.
Like all planets having full elections instead of a few Councils.
 
If they are tie-breaker, shouldn't they have an uneven number so they can't tie in 2 option votes?



Polity wide council has reference to local planet in the Choir Benchs description.

So the idea that higher Councils Benches are made up based on the Benches of its direct sub-Councils is given up on?
That increases the coordination needed.
And gets worse with more layers.
Like all planets having full elections instead of a few Councils.

The problem is that using the Benches of the direct sub-Councils allows the biases and shitfuckery of individual planets to directly define and decide Polity-wide policy.

Basically, at the moment any Dromar III Council, even with our best efforts, is likely to be disproportionately dominated by the aristocracy. We can't help this, but making it so that these are the fuckos who then get to decide who to send along to the bigger council is a good way to have half of our Civilian Admin seats be assholes named "Von."
 
The problem is that using the Benches of the direct sub-Councils allows the biases and shitfuckery of individual planets to directly define and decide Polity-wide policy.

Basically, at the moment any Dromar III Council, even with our best efforts, is likely to be disproportionately dominated by the aristocracy. We can't help this, but making it so that these are the fuckos who then get to decide who to send along to the bigger council is a good way to have half of our Civilian Admin seats be assholes named "Von."
Assuming 50% of Droma III Council gives a quarter of polity Council. Unless the "von" shits can rig the elections to get 100% of the Droma III Council., then they'd get 50% of polity Council.
And if they can, rig the elections such... then direct elections have the issue of Droma III massively outnumbering us (was it 500mil Droma III to 100mil Station?), meaning much more than 50% "von" shits in the polity Council.
 
Also, idea to add, might help, might be silly, but I like sometimes doing silly things:

[] Mandate a Constitutional Convention/Conference to consider revisions/etc every 200 years.

Two-hundred is a long time now, but might be far more reasonable if we're at a point where we're a solar Federation figuring out how to spread Rejuvenat far and wide and so on.

One-hundred feels like it'd work now and potentially break down later, not sure.
 
I have one simple question....

do we have any idea on how our xenos allies look like?
Yes, back when you met them I gave a description, and made a meme featuring a sketch depicting them some pages after that.
Looking like a ~2-3 meter long grey conduit tube, with three legs on each side of the "tube," and a ~40-60cm long, very dextrous, maw filled with sharp teeth at one end, the Kil'drabi do not look like adept tool users, but that only lasts until they unfold their four "arms" from the sides of their maw, each far weaker than a human arm but able to manipulate objects in far better detail than a human could. Added to that is a biology well-adapted to cold climates and an aversion to prolonged conflict due to their herbivorous-prey nature, with an education level far outstripping their human counterparts on the planet.
 
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  • [X] Starchilds Federation
    [X] Starchilds Federation
    -[X] Fractal-esque Councils
    --[X] Multiple tiers of Councils, currently planetary and polity wide.
    --[X] a Council is made up of Benches which have a number of Seats and a number of Voices. The Seats of a Bench vote on how the Bench uses its Voices in the Councils. (Councils decisions are made by counting the voices supporting/opposing the decision)
    --[X] Planetary Councils must have a seat and Voice for the military, a greater number of seats for the Civilian Administration, and a number of seats between the two for Faith representatives. Local Choirs have an advisory seat without a Voice, but a Veto over relevant topics.
    ---[X] Only the polity-wide Choir-Voice can override a Veto on matters relating to the Psykana.
    --[X] Planetary Councils may have additional seats for special interest groups, ala the Lamenters, a Sisters of Battle chapter if they have them, and so on, but these must be a single Voice each, subject to adjustment.
    --[X] For Planetary Councils, the Civilian Admin Voices may be selected by any number of ways in part, but at least 50% of all such seats and Voices must be democratically elected using proportionality systems and universal adult suffrage, restrictions may apply but not many. (IE, if there are 8 seats in the Droma III Civilian Administration, at least 4 must be elected) In the case of a tie with all Councils, whichever side has more Civilian Administration Voices wins, breaking the tie.
    --[X] At a Polity-Wide Council, the following will be the division, subject to change in the future.
    ---[X] Military: Seats for the different Branches, has 1 Voice, representing the majority opinion among their seats.
    ---[X] Faith: Seats for different denominations and bodies, has 2 Voices, Voices aredetermined after discussion among them, etc.
    ---[X] Choir: Seats decided by the local choirs, if the planet has any, empty otherwise. No Voice, only Veto and advisory.
    ---[X] Civilian Administration: 10 Seats democratically elected using a proportionality system, 5 Voices, seats each have "1/2" Voice, used directly. use their Voice directly. As with the rest, In case of a tie, which side has more Civilian Administration Voices is used as tie-breaker.
    ---[X] Lamenters: 1 Seat representing local chapter if any, empty otherwise. No Voice, only Veto and advisory. Higher Councils Lamenters Bench still made up by standard rules.
    --[X] Unless noted otherwise: the Benchs Seats vote with simple majority and all Voices of the Bench are used in the Councils according to that vote. Analog for a Benches Veto right.
    --[X] Benches for Higher Councils will be elected by varying methods. Civilian Administration seats are to be selected by separate free and fair universal-suffrage election, whereas local religious bodies are to aid in the selection of the seats for the Faith Voice(s), and so on.
    ---[X] The most local (=lowest) Council possible deals with issues. Higher Councils set tasks like minimum standards, reacting to emergencies (e.g. demanding production of a voidfleet against Ork Invasion)
    ---[X] Remember, ye, the Droman Creed! "This light is prodcued by knowledge and understanding" and therefore all lower councils are to provide summaries, access to data, and notifications on growing issues from lower until higher, so that understanding might grow.
    ---[X] As per the Droman Creed, all regardless of "species, appearance, prior faith or creed" who have embraced the Droman Creed are coequal members, with the right to learn and grow, to be nurtured and fed by the Community of Faith, to speak their own mind with their own individual Voices, to gather and organize in any fashion they desire so long as it does not embrace the heresies of Chaos or Hatred.
    ---[X] Those aristocrats embracing the Droman Creed are required not only to make the usual public profession of faith, but to swear on their sacred honor to respect the equality before the Five in building an "Empire... of opened hands" and "bright signal-fires." Any interference in the elective processes, or any attempt to monopolize access to seats or to buy ecclesiastical seats for relatives, or any such actions, are therefore to be regarded as heresy and to be punished with a firm hand, for sacred honor once breached is inviolable.
    --[X] In any planet in which there is a viable PDF, an aristocrat cannot hold those seats. In any planet where the aristocratic military tradition is strongest, they must share seats and thus Voices with non-aristocrats.
    --[X] Those aristocrats who refuse the Droman Creed (or break their sacred oaths) and cannot make a full, convincing, and earnest declaration of Faith are, henceforth, stripped of all Title, Rank, and Power, and their property and authority is to be reverted to that of the commonwealth.
    --[X] Chocolate and its production is shared, but efforts should be made to encourage local production whenever possible of this wonder plant.
    --[X] Different currencies may be used, with taxation and other things paid not in currency but in goods, deemed and judged in worth by a special body, the Taxation Analysis and Registration Department of Intergalactic Services.
    --[X] A Decent, Holy Minimum Standard of Living is to be implemented and reached for all citizens within one century of the acession of a planet to this system. This is a promise and a duty from the Polity Council to the Planetary Council, a shared burden of holy service.
    --[X] Joining the polity may be ratified by any legitimate means necessary.
    --[X] Taxation is to be five percent of all produced by the planet in the first fifty years as well as two regiments for galactic service, and 7.5% (and three regiments) after, however in emergency situations, the Polity Council reserves the right to increase its Tithe to 15% and an equivalent number of military units for a period of no less than five years, and no more than fifty years, as any crisis lasting beyond that length necessitates changes in policies.
    ---[X] Taxes may be paid in kind, there is also required military service.
    --[X] All planets must respect the value of learning, and the worship of none of the Five is to be restricted in any way, even as the worship of Chaos remains banned.
    --[X] Mandate a Constitutional Convention/Conference to consider revisions/etc every 200 years. It may be called earlier by the agreement of 3/4ths of the fully reconstructed Planetary Councils paying full taxes, etc.
    [X] Plan: Starchilds Holy Empire
    -[X] Fractal Councils
    --[X] Multiple Tiers of councils (made up of benches for Military, Faith, etc), currently 1 tier with a Planetary Council each for Droma III and the Station, and one Council a tier above, naturally expanding as more planets join
    ---[X] expected hierarchy: Planet Council < Solarsystem Council < Sector Council < General Council.
    ----[X] a Councils constituant Councils are all Councils one tier below that Council that are part of its region ( all planets in a solarsystem, all solarsystems in a sector, etc)
    --[X] a Council is made up of Benches which have a number of Seats and a number of Voices. The Seats of a Bench vote on how the Bench uses its Voices in the Councils. (Councils decisions are made by counting the voices supporting/opposing the decision)
    --[X] Military: Seats for the different Branches, has 1 Voice.
    --[X] Faith: Seats for different denominations, has 2 Voices.
    --[X] Choir: Seats decided by the local choirs, if the planet has any, empty otherwise. No Voice, only Veto and advisory.
    --[X] Civilian Administration: 5 Seats democratically elected using a proportionality system, 5 Voices, seats use their Voice directly. In case of a tie, which side has more Civilian Administration Voices is used as tie-breaker.
    --[X] Lamenters: 1 Seat representing local chapter if any, empty otherwise. No Voice, only Veto and advisory. Higher Councils Lamenters Bench still made up by standardrules, unless no constituant councils has a Lamenters Bench (then empty).
    --[X] Unless noted otherwise: the Benchs Seats vote with simple majority and all Voices of the Bench are used in the Councils according to that vote. Analog for a Benches Veto right.
    --[X] Seats take part in discussions.
    --[X] Unless noted otherwis: the Benches of Higher Councils are elected by the Seats of the respective Benches of the constituant Councils in a proportionality system and in case of different Bench sizes the votes are weighted to give equal influence to the different Benches. (E.g. the Droma System Councils Civilian Administration Bench is elected by the Seats of the Droma III Civilian Administration Bench and the Seats of the Station Civilian Administration Bench)
    --[X] with subsidiarity
    ---[X] The most local (=lowest) Council possible deals with issues. Higher Councils set tasks like minimum standards, reacting to emergencies (e.g. demanding production of a voidfleet against Ork Invasion)
    ---[X] regular summaries, acces to data, and notifications on growing issues are supplied from lower councils bureaucracy to higher councils bureaucracy
    --[X] When initially joining, aristocratic planets can deviate and select the Military, Faith, and Civilian Benches of the planets Council (or individual Seats of the Benches) by their aristocratic system, but any such aristocratic Seat has its votes weighted to only count for 2/3 of what they normally should when electing Solar System Benches.
    --[X] Chocolate and its production is shared, of course.
    --[X] Different currencies stay, but one new currency is created that all local currencies must offer exchange for.
 
135.M42 - Or They Burnt
The changes in governance viciously discussed and debated throughout the years were slowly implemented, a gradual ramping up of the various gears to ensure that the Candle Keepers could keep the mission they had been handed down from the Star Child would stay alive and burning through the generations until every star was a bastion of its faith and the Age to come. For some, that change changed nothing; life continued, food needed to be put on the table, and work had to be done.

For others, they resisted the holy decrees. They recanted when faced with the error of their ways.

Or they burnt.

Yet, where the kindling for an interstellar blaze was slowly placed and prepared within the station, and Droma III, another fire was lit ablaze on Droma VII, as the Merchant-Priests of the planet had turned their back from the God-Emperor they had worshiped as the Gulden Lord, and embraced the bosom of the twisting fates instead.

However, their new masters could not provide them the shelter they required to withstand a planet led in revolt by priests and the Lamenters, Chapter Master Chyron burning a blazing path of destruction through those forces that stood against Astartes trainees and Neophtyes, each armed with weaponry that would be the utter envy of all but a select few.

And it was there, on that planet, surrounded by yet another ritual site, with yet more people butchered and sacrificed, and only some able to gurgle wet thanks from the bottom of their souls before the Final Mercy was delivered, that an anger long smoldering within Chyron began to blossom.

Not one crafted by the Warp, but by echoes of history, by the connection of sorrow felt by all who carried the blood of Sanguinius.

Chapter Master Chyron knew that the thoughts he entertained more and more were treason, but yet he could not help but think them, angry at what had been wrought, what had been decided, and what would result thanks to the short-sightedness of the ones dealing with the multitude of threats in the sector. But he could not voice them, and so he stewed in these thoughts, angry and resentful, dealing ruin against the foes of mankind with one hand as his other raised a Chapter once loyal to the Imperium beyond death from annihilation itself, a task aided by those who would be gleefully called traitors and heretics, hereteks and abominations.

Another fire smoldered within the halls and homes of the Candle Keepers away from those within the heart of Chyron, as their minds had thought long and deep about the Star Born Sphynxes, those five created souls saved by a Miracle and ripped from the hands of grasping Chaos and Ruin to sanctify them wholly with Song and Melody under the gaze of the Star Child.

Those five who had been once naught but monsters, and yet wandered the halls as a fusion of animal and human, onyx-ian fur and skin mottled with golden or silver lines, flecks, or stars. These five, whose minds churned with numbers and grace in logistics, who delegated and conducted industries and governmental bureaucracies with ease and joy, whose souls were gently burning away the terror of the dark and the claws of the soul.

The very same who would be called monsters on any other world of humanity, yet who were called saints upon this station.

But were they, truly?
[] (Write-In Saint Criteria)

Things to take note of:

-True Imperial Saints are Warp Creations of the God-Emperor, only created after the death of a particularly pious person or one at the right time to do what needed to be done.
-Ordinary Imperial Saints are political or religiously motivated creations after the "Saint" has died. Those who are declared Saints while alive will soon become Martyrs.
-Only Pure Humans are generally declared Saints.
-You must decide for yourself who and what decides who and when someone gets declared or considered for Sainthood.
 
Welp, we dodged another fucking bullet good god. They took zero time at all to start Praising Chaos (From an institutional point of view anyway), it's just that we got on top of them before they could spread beyond the top levels who had a Really Good Idea all at the same time and so they never hit critical mass to start summoning Daemons and Chaos Space Marines and the like.

It's really kind of depressing, Imperials only have two switches it seems. Maximum Jackboots or Maximum Heresy, with absolutely zero transitional space. You're either one or the other, and if you're not one, you immediately become the other without hesitation or any break in stride either.

Couldn't have been better engineered as a Chaos feeder civ if they tried
 
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Welp, we dodged another fucking bullet good god. They took zero time at all to start Praising Chaos (From an institutional point of view anyway), it's just that we got on top of them before they could spread beyond the top levels who had a Really Good Idea all at the same time and so they never hit critical mass to start summoning Daemons and Chaos Space Marines and the like.

It's really kind of depressing, Imperials only have two switches it seems. Maximum Jackboots or Maximum Heresy, with absolutely zero transitional space. You're either one or the other, and if you're not one, you immediately become the other without hesitation or any break in stride either.

Couldn't have been better engineered as a Chaos feeder civ if they tried
it honestly really funny how we keep making miraculous saves
 
I feel like Saints should be those blessed with the Star Child's power/light who are given duties and power by the Star Child to do what is right/needed as ones trusted to act in its Name. While those like the Spinxes are more the Saved/Redeemed, those touched and saved by the power of the Star Child and proof of its benevolence but not inherently a leadership position with responsibilities.
 
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