Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

So, and just to be clear - you are aiming at killing them all? Because that's at least partially our choice to make, not just Sandra's. You are going after them with lethal intent, not subduing them, but killing them.
I don't see the problem with that, they are (consciously or not) helping the Outsiders' efforts to destroy much of the North American continent. And unlike that changeling who was also tricked, they are actively helping with this.

It may be cold, but I don't care enough about them to try to save them from everyone else who will just kill them (the White Council, Winter, the Library...). Let's be clear, the standard procedure is to just kill everyone involved, especially after months of close contact with a confirmed agent of Nemesis, especially those who had an active hand in the incidents.

[X] Thank her for the offer but this will be easier to handle with a small team
-[X] This operation has already gotten messy. While we don't need her agents for what comes next, ask her to be ready to help contain the aftermath. The enemy have already brought military grade weapons into the conflict and are planning to use nerve gas. Who knows what the final result will be? Whatever happens, they are going to need a plausible explanation ready for public consumption, including those authorities not read in on the supernatural world.
 
Its been less than a year since we saw Daedalus attempt to coerce Dresden into cutting a deal with them by arresting him for a murder they knew he did not commit.
And in the process, they let an actual baddie commit a mass murder of more than 20 people
Just need to give them better oversight. Like a cabal of spirit AI.

And the outsider cults are using mortal society to spread, none of the guardians have figured it out so we need to use those tools to identifying those things.
We are not conquering Las Vegas.
And even if we did, I cannot imagine exactly how you expect to make money from Vegas without turning Molly into either a crime lord or demanding taxes from the inhabitants.
Minor skimming from casinos for protection.
US Federal agencies have enough trouble keeping infiltrators from getting hold of sensitive information or getting agents of influence into positions of power. You're basically asking for the next Sandra to work her way into position as the FBI director and dictate how this shit is implemented.

Or, more likely, the FBI director's mistress. Or friend to their child. Or their barista.
Only if we let them do that. Deploy a few hundred secret agents into those organizations and they should be clear.
Thats just a bad idea
There are probably like a dozen cults like that new york one that go undetected. We can't surveil the country we need to take over the current security apparatus and utilize it.
 
The vote is very close.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 29, 2024 at 11:24 AM, finished with 28 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] A couple of discrete agents to smooth things over would be helpful
    -[X] Not for combat, but to keep mundane law enforcement away and prevent masquerade breaches. Possibly to take mortal cultists away afterwards too.
    [X] Thank her for the offer but this will be easier to handle with a small team
    [X] Thank her for the offer but this will be easier to handle with a small team
    -[X] This operation has already gotten messy. While we don't need her agents for what comes next, ask her to be ready to help contain the aftermath. The enemy have already brought military grade weapons into the conflict and are planning to use nerve gas. Who knows what the final result will be? Whatever happens, they are going to need a plausible explanation ready for public consumption, including those authorities not read in on the supernatural world.
 
I'd prefer to have agents here, so we have at least credible witnesses that it wasn't our fault when parts of the city are on fire tomorrow, and possibly when the southern half of the country becomes a desert in two days.
 
This is also a question of what iind of relationship we want to cultivate with the library. Allowing their presence on the scene is going to earn us some favor with them, I feel.
 
Just need to give them better oversight. Like a cabal of spirit AI.
On whose authority exactly?
Why the fuck would they trust random spirits from someone else's Hell to perform oversight and give them orders?
We do not rule the United States. We dont give its organs orders.


And the outsider cults are using mortal society to spread, none of the guardians have figured it out so we need to use those tools to identifying those things.
This is plain not true.

Outsider cults have ALWAYS been human.
It takes humans and human magic to open the Outer Gates. That was explicitly stated in Dead Beat after the White Council got ambushed by Outsiders while fighting the Red Court. They either have to come through the Gates or be summoned by mortals.



Minor skimming from casinos for protection.
ALL casinos in the state of Nevada, not just Vegas, made a grand total of 14.8 billion dollars in 2022.
Thats gross income, before payroll, taxes and other expenses.

The idea that minor skimming will make you billions is not even vaguely true.


Only if we let them do that. Deploy a few hundred secret agents into those organizations and they should be clear.
......
You dont have an appropriate perception of the scale of the US's law enforcement and natsec communities.

The FBI alone has 35,000 people.
Not counting the DEA, the ATF, the US Marshalls, the CIA, the NSA, and all the other disaparate three letter agencies of the US's alphabet soup that have a domestic presence. Like, even the US Postal Service has the Postal Inspectors.

Nevermind the various private contractor agencies like Booz Allen Hamilton.

And Im just talking about Federal-scale agencies here; by the time you add the state and local agencies....the Chicago Police Department alone is 12,000 people, for example. The NYPD is 36,000 people. The LAPD is 12,000 people.
By the time you run down the 50 states, those numbers add up.


There are probably like a dozen cults like that new york one that go undetected. We can't surveil the country we need to take over the current security apparatus and utilize it.
In other words, the current plan has been working fine.
Because if it wasnt, those dozen cults you are theorizing would not be ineffectual nonsense.
Whenever something like that gets big enough to be a serious issue, its noticed and smashed.
 
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I'd prefer to have agents here, so we have at least credible witnesses that it wasn't our fault when parts of the city are on fire tomorrow, and possibly when the southern half of the country becomes a desert in two days.
If Sandra's bullshit is actually successful, no mortals that close to the epicenter of the incursion are going to survive to make reports to home office.
So moot point.

This is also a question of what iind of relationship we want to cultivate with the library. Allowing their presence on the scene is going to earn us some favor with them, I feel.
Why?
They did not get to follow Dresden around when the Kemmlerites were trying to blow up Chicago.
Nor does Ivy have a couple agents tagging along when shes working.

This isnt supposed to be "Bring your child to work day".
We cant be hunting a cultist as their plot climaxes and simultaneously trying to manage what information the Library can or cannot see, or be trying to protect them against the sort of mental exposures that might be part of this job.

Especially since we dont actually know all that much about the Library and how it does business yet.
Or how protected most of its agents are against Outside threats like a Walker or mordite being in the general vicinity.
 
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[X] A couple of discrete agents to smooth things over would be helpful
-[X] Not for combat, but to keep mundane law enforcement away and prevent masquerade breaches. Possibly to take mortal cultists away afterwards too.
 
Current tally:
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Jan 29, 2024 at 1:15 PM, finished with 36 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Thank her for the offer but this will be easier to handle with a small team
    [X] A couple of discrete agents to smooth things over would be helpful
    -[X] Not for combat, but to keep mundane law enforcement away and prevent masquerade breaches. Possibly to take mortal cultists away afterwards too.
    [X] Thank her for the offer but this will be easier to handle with a small team
    -[X] This operation has already gotten messy. While we don't need her agents for what comes next, ask her to be ready to help contain the aftermath. The enemy have already brought military grade weapons into the conflict and are planning to use nerve gas. Who knows what the final result will be? Whatever happens, they are going to need a plausible explanation ready for public consumption, including those authorities not read in on the supernatural world.


Tied at 5-5.
If I combine Goldfish's vote, it becomes 8-5.
 
Arc 11 Post 74: Out with a Bang
Out with a Bang

13th of January 2007 A.D.

"Thank you for the offer, really, but we mostly just need this buried, they have already brought military grade weapons and now nerve gas. Who knows where this goes? Regardless it is going to need an explanation."

"Several," comes the dry counter from the other end. "One for the public one for the more informed elements of the body politic, one for the generals, one for Daedalus," the word is just shy of open scorn, but that is about the most that can be said of it. "God be with you Ms Carpenter." It sounds more like 'Gott', her accent thickening a little, the only sign of strain you had caught from her, that and the words themselves, you get the sense that this is a woman who does not call on Divine Providence very often.

"And with you," you answer as the wheels of your rented van screech on roads moistened not by rain but, knowing this city even from brief acquaintance, by some kind of show or gimmick. Vegas in the late morning light seems tired and overexposed, like a movie from the seventies, a documentary of sin instead of the frantic heart of the act.

Despite this the Xanadu's golden dome stands out, embracing the morning instead of trying to outshine it, little wonder that it is one of the most busy clubs at this hour. Maybe that is all Sandra and her death cult are looking for, bodies to stack high. The side door Silk had mentioned is there, a little scuffed and peeling but unlocked. As the beats of a unfamiliar wordless song washed over you a worried bouncer lets you in, amusingly enough more confused at the 'old woman' than at any of the rest of you. Beyond lies what your mother might perhaps call a den of iniquity and not without some cause: soft velvet and honey-hued marble all focused inwards on poles of faux gold. Dancers in various states of undress are trying to make their way out though the crowd of men without being groped too much as the bouncers, including the fellow who let you in try to keep order. A light haze of smoke hangs over it all, not from tobacco, you can tell at a whiff "Silk said to tell you she's in the Eros room, big one down the corridor, to the left," he instructs you as he pushes a guy in a bright yellow fedora back.

Tiffany rolls her eyes at the name, though she doesn't let that distract her long. "Eyes on the prize," she whispers to a blushing Lydia who had found a sudden interest in the ground. "There's worse things to see than a bit of skin.". As if on cue a trio of people in full latex gimp suits turn a corner only to get into a shoving match with what look like a pair of dishevled and discombobulated buisnessmen.

From up ahead you hear "Randal, you said this place was classy, first time here and they are having an evacuation for who knows who to see us. Mother was right I never should have married you!"

That is enough to raise a warm flush to your cheeks. Under other circumstances you might even have laughed at Harry muttering to himself: "Charity's gonna kill me."

You make it to the large obviously gilded doors of 'the Eros room', so named you assumed for the various statues of Greek gods and heroes in explicit postures. Things are more orderly here as a tall woman in a glittering purple dress gently prods the last stragglers of what must have been a large crowd towards the main entrance you had seen in the Crown-granted vision. One of the staff is trying to roll a large cake on a trolly whose precise purpose you would rather not contemplate in your direction blocking your view for a moment.

The next thing you know is Lash yelling: "Grenade!"

In a flash you are over the trolly, cake and server to see half a dozen of the damn things rolling in every direction. You recognize the wils eyed girl holding some kind of improvised rope aparatus as Jaida, one of the of the Sandra 'friends' you could not reach. She's shouting something about 'the end' but you are not paying attention to her compared to the half a dozen balls of death rolling around on the slick floor of the club.

At your back you can feel the impetus of Harry's magic gathering, but it's anyone's guess how much of the blast he'll be able to comtain.

What do you do?

[] Use Mind Hand Manipulation to crush as many of the grenades as you can before they go off (DEX+Melee to get as many as you can in time One base +1 for each success)

[] Hold your action, if they are throwing grenades this is going down and there's worse than high explosive in the works

[] Write in


OOC: Welp, showtime.
 
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Can we activate them faster and kill all of them before they throw them??? Try to fakelly talk to them use stealth so they dont remember what they were doing and activate the grenades when they are unable to act
 
Getting vibe checked by half a dozen grenades is certainly one way to start this off. We don't have our Soak up, so it's gonna hurt if we don't get all of them.
 
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Thank you.
So less than 80%, and we havent even begun the fight.

This is one of the drawbacks of people voting to spend so much Essence without actually paying any notice to managing our Essence supply on the eve of a potential confrontation.
We burned 3 Essence talking to Silk on shit we didnt need, when 1 Essence would have been enough.
 
VOTE
[X]Plan Waterbender
-[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
-[X] Crown Question: Focus Frankie's phone no: Where and how does his group intend to deploy this weapon?: 1m
-[X] Brief party, then go ahead of them via RVD. Activate ATP in club
-[X] HMP security cameras, then have cyberdevils look through video history
-[X] Charm Effects
--[X] Rendered Villain Dispersal + All Things Betray + 1 temp WP for autosux to emerge in club via the water system: 1m, 1wp
--[X] Anonymity Through Propriety: 1m
--[X] HMP security cameras: 1m



Changes
-4m
-1wp
Thank you.
So less than 80%, and we havent even begun the fight.

This is one of the drawbacks of people voting to spend so much Essence without actually paying any notice to managing our Essence supply on the eve of a potential confrontation.
We burned 3 Essence talking to Silk on shit we didnt need, when 1 Essence would have been enough.
This you with four mote plan that guaranteed Friendly Fire.
 
How complex would you count grenades?

Concentrated, channeled techbane can destroy even relativly simple stuff, like making lightbulbs explode or normal guns fail.
If Harry puts his all into a techbane-blast in the direction of those grenades, what might the odds of disabling most of them be?

They are late 50 tech, so they are pretty hard to hex. Base DC 7. and he would have to roll a success for each one. Probably a safer bet to redirect the explosions with Forces
 
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