Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

So what am I missing?

Why do we have to kill Memesis shards at cost when Titania can do it for free?
 
So what am I missing?

Why do we have to kill Memesis shards at cost when Titania can do it for free?

Because she can't really kill them. Nemesis is a variety of true immortal, so the shards will reform regardless of what's done to them unless it happens on Halloween or someone with a spirit killer does the job.

Those kinds of effects are ridiculously rare, to the point that the eye of balor is the only other potential match I'm aware of from canon. Regardless the fey as a faction don't really have access to them.

Sure Nemesis won't lose much, but it'll still be an actual loss. We don't have a lot of insight into what recovering things we take this way might cost or how difficult it might be, but it almost certainly won't be free.

Mentally I'm mapping it to a guy getting something between a few fingernails ripped out by the root and having part of a pinky outright bit off by a pissed feral child.

Almost certainly not life threatening, but definitely painful and upsetting.

Edit: originally went with different example and didn't fully update sentence
 
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Sure Nemesis won't lose much, but it'll still be an actual loss. We don't have a lot of insight into what recovering things we take this way might cost or how difficult it might be, but it almost certainly won't be free.
Thanks for the response.

TBH my vote remains unchanged as I REALLY do not want to waste AP and valuable ingredients for one more Splendor.

I do understand where you are coming from though, but do not feel it worth it.

[X] Ask Titania to kill the Nemesis Shards after they are excorsised.
[X] Have the Archive bind them in exchange for one exorcism per shard restrained.
 
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Votes as they stand.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Dec 14, 2023 at 10:34 PM, finished with 50 posts and 17 votes.
 
Thanks for the response.

TBH my vote remains unchanged as I REALLY do not want to waste AP and valuable ingredients for one more Splendor.

I do understand where you are coming from though, but do not feel it worth it.

[X] Ask Titania to kill the Nemesis Shards after they are excorsised.
[X] Have the Archive bind them in exchange for one exorcism per shard restrained.
I don't want to spend a splendor either, which is why I'm not voting for it.

We really need to learn to negotiate better. Splendors are basically tangible miracles, inexplicable power you can hold in your hand and use at your discretion instead of depending on continued blessings from distant entities. In a situation like the oblivion war and ongoing fight against the outside as a whole their power is terrifyingly precious.

Of course people will keep letting us pay for things with them. If you had to lead an army against the far realms how many mind blank rings would you want? How much more so when your next best option is a tinfoil hat and hope?

We should help, but there's only so much we can do if we cut ourselves to the bone in AP and crafting resources.

That's why I'm voting to pay in exorcisms; Ivy isn't going to waste those tokens, which means it's almost certainly going to be something important to her job. So the sort of things anyone sane has an interest in seeing done asap.

We'd basically be agreeing to what we'd already do anyway. There's a cost to making that an obligation, but it's a fairly light one all things considered.
 
[X] Plan Death by difficulty reducer and dice adder
-[X] You are fast enough to do it without a binding (To defeat and be eligible to consume each shard Molly must deliver 7 Wounds to a spirit-form with a Dodge 6 Soak 3 in a single round without Excellencies or other charms)
--[X] Stunt: Before the prisoners are bought out in they're glowing chains Molly splashes her face with the waters of the lake of Avalon. " Lady Titania, I must ask if we can perform the exorcisms in a sealed ritual space it will ensure the safety of your subjects as well as the demise of the enemy that put them at risk in the first place. You and your guards are welcome to observe as well from within just as long as they do not allow anyone to leave or come in while the exorcism is happening." leaning over to the young seer Molly whispers " Can you conjure me two discs of black ice roughly about the size of my palm and just about as thick? " Taking the silently conjured smoking ice one goes right into the side of the brassiere on her ribs under her left arm the other into the pant leg of her right leg. " Thank you."


Okay drenched herself so she has BSM hopefully secured a sealed ritual Space by tugging on Titania's heartstrings triggering CCC all while telling the fey their favorite kind of Truth.
@DragonParadox is this an okay write in?
 
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[X] Plan Death by difficulty reducer
-[X] You are fast enough to do it without a binding (To defeat and be eligible to consume each shard Molly must deliver 7 Wounds to a spirit-form with a Dodge 6 Soak 3 in a single round without Excellencies or other charms)
--[X] Stunt: Before the prisoners are bought out in they're glowing chains Molly splashes her face with the waters of the lake of Avalon. " Lady Titania, I must ask if we can perform the exorcisms in a sealed ritual space it will ensure the safety of your subjects as well as the demise of the enemy that put them at risk in the first place. You and your guards are welcome to observe as well from within just as long as they do not allow anyone to leave or come in while the exorcism is happening."
Or
[X] Have the Archive bind them in exchange for one exorcism per shard restrained.
I do not like it either but honestly I feel that slowly chipping away at Nemesis and outsiders is sort of the whole point of this. so backing out at the last minute feels like an unwillingness to fully commit here.
 
Votes as they stand.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Dec 14, 2023 at 10:34 PM, finished with 50 posts and 17 votes.
What the hell? That's not what I voted for. I voted to pay Archive one more splendor. And I was ok with that option. I didn't use plan voting or name voting. What the hell?
 
Is it working now @Yog
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Dec 15, 2023 at 1:51 AM, finished with 57 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X] Have the Archive bind them in exchange for one exorcism per shard restrained.
    [X] You are fast enough to do it without a binding (To defeat and be eligible to consume each shard Molly must deliver 7 Wounds to a spirit-form with a Dodge 6 Soak 3 in a single round without Excellencies or other charms)
    [X] Ask Titania to kill the Nemesis Shards after they are excorsised.
    [X] Have the Archive bind them for you to consume (Costs 1 additional Splendor owed to the Ventori bringing the total up to four)
    [X] Plan Death by difficulty reducer
    -[X] You are fast enough to do it without a binding (To defeat and be eligible to consume each shard Molly must deliver 7 Wounds to a spirit-form with a Dodge 6 Soak 3 in a single round without Excellencies or other charms)
    --[X] Stunt: Before the prisoners are bought out in they're glowing chains Molly splashes her face with the waters of the lake of Avalon. " Lady Titania, I must ask if we can perform the exorcisms in a sealed ritual space it will ensure the safety of your subjects as well as the demise of the enemy that put them at risk in the first place. You and your guards are welcome to observe as well from within just as long as they do not allow anyone to leave or come in while the exorcism is happening."
    [X] Ask Titania to kill the Nemesis Shards after they are exorcised.
 
[X] Plan Death by difficulty reducer
-[X] You are fast enough to do it without a binding (To defeat and be eligible to consume each shard Molly must deliver 7 Wounds to a spirit-form with a Dodge 6 Soak 3 in a single round without Excellencies or other charms)
--[X] Stunt: Before the prisoners are bought out in they're glowing chains Molly splashes her face with the waters of the lake of Avalon. " Lady Titania, I must ask if we can perform the exorcisms in a sealed ritual space it will ensure the safety of your subjects as well as the demise of the enemy that put them at risk in the first place. You and your guards are welcome to observe as well from within just as long as they do not allow anyone to leave or come in while the exorcism is happening."

Okay drenched herself so she has BSM hopefully secured a sealed ritual Space by tugging on Titania's heartstrings triggering CCC all while telling the fey their favorite kind of Truth.
@DragonParadox is this an okay write in?

The water works, but the fey would not attack you if you attempted to leave or try to physically constrain you so no CCC
 
The water works, but the fey would not attack you if you attempted to leave or try to physically constrain you so no CCC
What if Lily waits outside and we whisper and ask her to attack us if she sees us without Titania. This way we've asked her for a favor that is only fulfilled if she sees us alone and it counts towards cracked cell circumvention because she's prevents us from freely leaving.
 
What if Lily waits outside and we whisper and ask her to attack us if she sees us without Titania. This way we've asked her for a favor that is only fulfilled if she sees us alone and it counts towards cracked cell circumvention because she's prevents us from freely leaving.

She can't attack a guest of the Court, even if you ask her to. As a fey she is bound by the word of her liege.
 
She can't attack a guest of the Court, even if you ask her to. As a fey she is bound by the word of her liege.
The archive counts as human right so she has free will. So we tell her if you see me and I walk out of that building before Titania attack me on site. That should work and it is the truth. And she's under no obligation to hold true to guest rights in that sense because we've given essentially a reason to believe that we've attacked the host.
 
The archive counts as human right so she has free will. So we tell her if you see me and I walk out of that building before Titania attack me on site. That should work and it is the truth. And she's under no obligation to hold true to guest rights in that sense because we've given essentially a reason to believe that we've attacked the host.

She could do that, but you are asking her to potentially cause a diplomatic incident, that is worth a larger favor than just holding the things down herself.
 
That's fine but she only gets paid if she has to do it especially since we're essentially implying that if we walk out first without Titania her enemy The Enemy is walking out with our flesh.

She could do that, but you are asking her to potentially cause a diplomatic incident, that is worth a larger favor than just holding the things down herself.
 
That's fine but she only gets paid if she has to do it especially since we're essentially implying that if we walk out first without Titania her enemy The Enemy is walking out with our flesh.

Sadly no, she would have to be paid for taking the risk. Like if you asked her to come with you and engage in combat she would not be paid only if wounded, you pay her at the start.
 
The way people try to metagame CCC never ceases to bemuse me. Once someone even suggested that Molly wear a bombcollar on her neck.
 
The way people try to metagame CCC never ceases to bemuse me. Once someone even suggested that Molly wear a bombcollar on her neck.
Metagame an ability you know you have that when you're physically constrained in some manner you are better at things I am unsure of how you can metagame that it's such a straightforward ability. it's so weird to think you can metagame that.
It's literally called cracked cell circumvention you get a bonus to all actions while you're doing it making it so staying in prison is better for you long-term than getting out if you know what you're doing it's meant to be played that way. How can you metagame something that's specifically meant to be played in an indirect fashion?
 
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