Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Honestly I'm going to be amused when Bloody tells us we've learned nothing since her tribulation. Back then y'all went along with the flow and look how that ended. This situation is no different and yet many of you still choose to go along the path of least resistance. Of fire and fury and retribution. Option one to me reads out like a child riding out to battle with the training wheels on. We'll gain... something but I'm not convinced whatever will be gained will be worth it. Option 2 is similar in a way but less so. If we screw up, Shu Yue will at least back us up but she'd sooner let us fail to learn than not. Plus it vibes hard with what Ling Qi is, a specter amongst the shadow, a spook that is hard to harm and can even throw a Sovereign off their game. Truly, skulking about feels like the most effective way to help.
 
[X] She would skulk as was her wont, her nature. In the boiling mist and the burning labyrinth, she would be as a shadow, a voice singing unseen.

This is a tough one. I'm very partial to the other because I'm a sucker for anti-heroes (or is Xia Ren just a borderline villain working for the 'right' side?) but I'm even more curious what LQ would experience and learn shadowing a Sovereign cultivator with a Way inimical to being unseen or skulking.

Would she be more sensitive or vulnerable to SWD's Way? Would she pick up on secrets that would otherwise be unseen and destroyed by joining hands with Xia Ren?

It's the kind of challenge I can't help but vote for.
 
Honestly I'm going to be amused when Bloody tells us we've learned nothing since her tribulation. Back then y'all went along with the flow and look how that ended. This situation is no different and yet many of you still choose to go along the path of least resistance. Of fire and fury and retribution. Option one to me reads out like a child riding out to battle with the training wheels on. We'll gain... something but I'm not convinced whatever will be gained will be worth it. Option 2 is similar in a way but less so. If we screw up, Shu Yue will at least back us up but she'd sooner let us fail to learn than not. Plus it vibes hard with what Ling Qi is, a specter amongst the shadow, a spook that is hard to harm and can even throw a Sovereign off their game. Truly, skulking about feels like the most effective way to help.
Which is exactly my concern. Ling Qi naturally has more association with a lot of SWD concepts, which will make it a lot easier for her Way to be swayed by them. To say nothing of the fact that I can't imagine it's safer deep in the domain of our enemy than it is at the side of our ally, even if both options carry significant danger.
 
Honestly I'm going to be amused when Bloody tells us we've learned nothing since her tribulation. Back then y'all went along with the flow and look how that ended. This situation is no different and yet many of you still choose to go along the path of least resistance. Of fire and fury and retribution. Option one to me reads out like a child riding out to battle with the training wheels on. We'll gain... something but I'm not convinced whatever will be gained will be worth it. Option 2 is similar in a way but less so. If we screw up, Shu Yue will at least back us up but she'd sooner let us fail to learn than not. Plus it vibes hard with what Ling Qi is, a specter amongst the shadow, a spook that is hard to harm and can even throw a Sovereign off their game. Truly, skulking about feels like the most effective way to help.
I don't give a darn about any of that. I picked option 1 because as I mentioned in a previous post I think it's ridiculous to say that skulking is Ling Qi's nature, so option 2 is right out.
 
It's interesting how Xia Ren Way doesn't specify whose history and traditions will die, which honestly makes her a danger to Imperial culture as well? I wonder what's the Ministry opnion on this.

It is also odd that she helped assimilate her tribe into the Empire. She is all about breaking traditions but isn't this just subatitution Hill tribe with Empire ones?

Is she just using the Empire to achieve her "one nation, one people" dream? Will she change sides if a stronger nation shows up?

Its always fun to learn more about the Way of these important figures. Its also cool to see how she complements Shenhua, hard to talk about Revolution without the breaking of traditions after all. Can't wait to learn more about how this calamity of a sovereign came to be.
 
Personally, I feel like option 1 is a trap. It's the "subtle" effects of Xia Ren drawing others to assimilate with her.

It's really unreasonable to think that Ling Qi will make any difference in the direct fight between these two. Ling Qi, from the jump, has known that the assignment here is to simply stay alive and keep Xia Ren in the liminal. That Ling Qi is even considering this option reeks of foreign influence to me.

We need to stand for our individuality and resist the urge to assimilate with Xia Ren's way.

Even if you don't find any of that persuasive, I don't think it's wise to start taking Fire and Metal into our cultivation. If we're talking about what is the "safest" option, it's probably safer to stick to the Cold and Ephemeral skills we have honed for practically this whole quest. Demoing new moves here, when we have alternatives, is probably a mistake.
 
Last edited:
[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.
 
Man, this was an intense update, and it's just the beggining.
I wonder what effects this clash is having in reality.

Then we have a quite interesting vote.

First of all, I don't think this vote is about Contributing or Not Contributing. Our sole role here is to maintain the General on the dream and not dying. The skulking option doesn't intend to draw SWD's attention by straying from the General, just as the soaring option doesn't intend to more actively assist her.
It's also not about being more or less safe. We are going to be in danger in any case. The skulking option may make the General's protection less effective, but soaring with her may us more vulnerable to SWD's attacks on the General as well as her own flames.

No, this vote is about Power. That's the focus of LQ's toughts at the end of the update, as well as the core theme of her Cultivation Project, Winter's Crown.
I think this vote will define how LQ will wield power from now onwards. In particular, it will determine how she will employ soft power, as in societal, political and cultural power.
LQ had already internalized that there exist many types of power, and this update solidifies Shu Yue's teachings about the nature of Power: power is the ability to make your convictions affect the world, to change it or preserve it.
That includes the ability to make people with hard power, and also the mass of less powerful people, act in ways that advances your vision.

Then the vote will determine LQ's approach to that kind of power.

[ ] She would skulk as was her wont, her nature. In the boiling mist and the burning labyrinth, she would be as a shadow, a voice singing unseen.

As I see it, the most important part of this option is the "unseen" descriptor. Singing is the way LQ describes her application of soft power, of influencing people and the world around her; as we can see in this bit.

…That was what she had done. What her songs did. She sang, and sometimes, the world listened. Small as she was meager as her personal power was…

This option will lead LQ towards the path of manipulating people and society as a whole from the backstage, imo. Without seeking fame and glory, satisfied to be changing the world for the better even if she will be ultimately forgotten by history.
She will let other people take the spotlight, let other people be the valiant leader brandishing the banner of a new era, while she works from the shadows to ensure those changes happen.
I don't think it's a bad option per se, and it is the option most similar to Jiao's own path, but is it really how LQ has been acting during the events leading to and the Summit itself?

[ ] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.

This option, on the other hand, recognizes that even if she is yet only a facilitator for greater powers she is still part of the changes they bring about, and holds responsibility for that.
On contrast with the previous option, LQ will take a more central, open and active roll in influencing and steerring society and the high powers towards the world she wants to build with Renxiang and the others.
She won't simply subtly nudge the hard powers to act as she wants them to. She will directly face and appeal to them, bringing them over with sincerity.

This is how LQ has approached the whole diplomatic Summit.
Since the moment she (the thread) decided she couldn't just leave the matter of the WS to the Argent Sect; she needed to take the matters on her own hands and make contact with the WS herself.
She has spearheaded it all. She negotiates and she concedes, but without giving up her core beliefs.
She doesn't sing quitely, whispering into people's ears to inadvertently change their minds. No, she sings loudly and confidently, describing the world she yearns for and declaring she will achieve it.

LQ decided to burn SWD because they stand on the way of her goals. The General is the instrument she is using to do so. LQ has to face that, own it. Not hiding in the shadows and observe it from afar as if she wasn't responsible for it, as if she wasn't a part of it.

[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.
 
Last edited:
Man, this was an intense update, and it's just the beggining.
I wonder what effects this clash is having in reality.

Then we have a quite interesting vote.

First of all, I don't think this vote is about Contributing or Not Contributing. Our sole role here is to maintain the General on the dream and not dying. The skulking option doesn't intend to draw SWD's attention by straying from the General, just as the soaring option doesn't intend to more actively assist her.
It's also not about being more or less safe. We are going to be in danger in any case. The skulking option may make the General's protection less effective, but soaring with her may us more vulnerable to SWD's attacks on the General as well as her own flames.

No, this vote is about Power. That's the focus of LQ's toughts at the end of the update, as well as the core theme of her Cultivation Project, Winter's Crown.
I think this vote will define how LQ will wield power from now onwards. In particular, it will determine how she will employ soft power, as in societal, political and cultural power.
LQ had already internalized that there exist many types of power, and this update solidifies Shu Yue's teachings about the nature of Power: power is the ability to make your convictions affect the world, to change it or preserve it.
That includes the ability to make people with hard power, and also the mass of less powerful people, act in ways that advances your vision.

Then the vote will determine LQ's approach to that kind of power.



As I see it, the most important part of this option is the "unseen" descriptor. Singing is the way LQ describes her application of soft power, of influencing people and the world around her; as we can see in this bit.



This option will lead LQ towards the path of manipulating people and society as a whole from the backstage, imo. Without seeking fame and glory, satisfied to be changing the world for the better even if she will be ultimately forgotten by history.
She will let other people take the spotlight, let other people be the valiant leader brandishing the banner of a new era, while she works from the shadows to ensure those changes happen.
I don't think it's a bad option per se, and it is the option most similar to Jiao's own path, but is it really how LQ has been acting during the events leading to and the Summit itself?



This option, on the other hand, recognizes that even if she is yet only a facilitator for greater powers she is still part of the changes they bring about, and holds responsibility for that.
On contrast with the previous option, LQ will take a more central, open and active roll in influencing and steerring society and the high powers towards the world she wants to build with Renxiang and the others.
She won't simply subtly nudge the hard powers to act as she wants them to. She will directly face and appeal to them, bringing them over with sincerity.

This is how LQ has approached the whole diplomatic Summit.
Since the moment she (the thread) decided she couldn't just leave the matter of the WS to the Argent Sect; she needed to take the matters on her own hands and make contact with the WS herself.
She has spearheaded it all. She negotiates and she concedes, but without giving up her core beliefs.
She doesn't sing quitely, whispering into people's ears to inadvertently change their minds. No, she sings loudly and confidently, describing the world she yearns for and declaring she will achieve it.

LQ decided to burn SWD because they stand on the way of her goals. The General is the instrument she is using to do so. LQ has to face that, own it. Not hiding in the shadows and observe it from afar as if she wasn't responsible for it, as if she wasn't a part of it.

[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.

I agree with you 100% that this is a power vote. Both options WILL result in harm, likely both physical and domain wise. What we are choosing is how we seek to use our power to convince people.

And speaking of that, you've convinced me. Tsu 2.0 here we go!

[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.
 
[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.
 
I've only skimmed the arguments so I may have missed something but I've only seen one person mention Sixiang.
If we jump right into the thick of things and fight, enduring Xia Ren's qi, Six will have to do the same.
Xia Ren's Way burns Dream qi like is kindling, what would it do to Sixiang who is literally made of Dream Qi?
Itd be selfish for Qi to take the first option without considering what it'd do to Six...
 
I've only skimmed the arguments so I may have missed something but I've only seen one person mention Sixiang.
If we jump right into the thick of things and fight, enduring Xia Ren's qi, Six will have to do the same.
Xia Ren's Way burns Dream qi like is kindling, what would it do to Sixiang who is literally made of Dream Qi?
Itd be selfish for Qi to take the first option without considering what it'd do to Six...
We've literally been standing next to her.

If that was going to be an issue it already would be.

hell, our body already has non-trivial amounts of dreamstuff woven through it
 
[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.
 
Xia Ren is wrong in a similar way to the Xi were wrong. "If we find unification everything will be alright". Honestly? That describes the first couple major cultural forces in the ES.

All of them say some variant of "If only we had ______ everything would be alright." Perfection, however, is unattainable. Even if it were attainable, Time makes sure that all things can be Ended. Unless you remove that Perfection from Time, it'll be changed and destroyed.

Xia Ren isn't just wrong about achieving Perfection though, it's achieving Perfection through Unity. The closest anyone/anything we know about has gotten to that within Creation is the Twilight King. And Mom got mad about that one.

At least the Xi didn't have the example of the Twilight King to refute them throughout most of their history.

More hilariously, she's asserting that becoming Imperial Cultured would bring peace. Just look at the Heavenly Peaks if you want to see exactly how peaceable a monoculture is/stays. Lol, Xia Ren. Lmao, even.
 
We've literally been standing next to her.

If that was going to be an issue it already would be.

hell, our body already has non-trivial amounts of dreamstuff woven through it
We've literally been standing next to her.

If that was going to be an issue it already would be.

hell, our body already has non-trivial amounts of dreamstuff woven through it
I mentioned that before the last update, that LQ may be hurt more than other Greens would by the General's presence.
I remember Sixiang jumping back into LQ's head but I guess when in Liminal, Sixiang is just next to her. Forgot that.
Which begs the question, what will Six do? Will they have do their own thing? They're their own person with their own agency. They don't need to be as suicidal and crazy LQ to help out with the fight. They could come up with their own plan, it was decided they would use Xuan Shi's gauntlets.
I really do think Six should stay far away from Xia Ren especially right now, for their own sake.
 
Last edited:
[X] She would skulk as was her wont, her nature. In the boiling mist and the burning labyrinth, she would be as a shadow, a voice singing unseen.

Going along with Xia Ren's way of doing things just seems wrong to me. I've never liked her, but this chapter shows even more how little she cares about other people and the things they value.

Like yes, Ling Qi also has been a voice for changes. But she has sought to do that without trampling over other people's way of life. She doesn't seek to commit genocide the way Xia Ren does. She's been seeking a peaceful way of doing things and hasn't been pushing to wipe out or assimilate the Cloud Tribes or the White Sky Confederation.

We shouldn't be seeking to become Cai Shenhua 2.0 or Xia Ren 2.0. Even CRX is specifically seeking to do things more humanely.

There's a good reason that no one in this story seems to actually like Xia Ren. Even her allies dread her and just see her as a necessary evil at best, everyone else sees her as a gun pointed at their head, an unstable murderer who will kill them for the slightest misstep.
 
Last edited:
[X] She would skulk as was her wont, her nature. In the boiling mist and the burning labyrinth, she would be as a shadow, a voice singing unseen.
 
I fear the Sword that Rends History more than I fear the Archivist of the Reviled.

[X] She would skulk as was her wont, her nature. In the boiling mist and the burning labyrinth, she would be as a shadow, a voice singing unseen.
 
It's interesting how Xia Ren Way doesn't specify whose history and traditions will die, which honestly makes her a danger to Imperial culture as well? I wonder what's the Ministry opnion on this.
I think the thing is to recognize the danger to imperial culture, you need to be able to face the possibility that imperial culture is not inherently superior to all other options by definition.

Xia Ren's way is very clash of nations, that the individual elements of the emerald seas came together and clashed and one came out on top, and the individual elements of the empire itself are clashing and one will come out on top, and then that the empire will clash with everyone else in the world and one will come out on top, but I think basically everyone in the ministry would look at that and go "and if that does happen of course the Celestial Peaks Imperial Core culture would be the one that comes out on top."

But yes I think very much that while Xia Ren very much has a preference and an expectation about which will come out on top, if it went differently her perspective would be "well that's the way the cookie crumbles."
 
[X] She would skulk as was her wont, her nature. In the boiling mist and the burning labyrinth, she would be as a shadow, a voice singing unseen.

I don't necessarily want to fully cosign the general's philosophy. Plus we know nothing about being fire and steel. Let's stick to shadow and mist and wait for our moment.
 
Back
Top