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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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I mostly want her to spend a bit of time in the Last Station because it would be cool if she gave our people some boons which seems likely to happen if she stays there a week. I think that we have a few people dealing with addiction problems and other health issues?
 
Artemis1992 said:
Edit: given her skill she could probably scam her way into money and a place to stay without actually offering a fair deal too, but I was assuming she would actually offer something in return.
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And Molly could go all Mad Scientist Dark Empress on the whole world. She has the skills and her power would be very happy.

What I'm getting at is that putting people in situations where most of their choices are bad one is not a good idea.
 
uju32 said:
2) A Denarian under a veil can literally walk in and out of a military base unseen; we've seen the Ursiel!Genoskwa do it, and its a nine foot tall freak of nature with a one-ton plus warform.
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I must have missed that happening in the books because I would expect even someone invisible to have trouble sneaking around a military base. Locked doors all over the damn place most of them with guards.
uju32 said:
3) Nicodemus is literally unkillable unless you strangle him with the noose around his neck or stab him with a Sword.
Military cant do shit.
Like I've said, there are clear restrictions he appears to be operating under. Until and unless he tries to cheat
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So? If he tries to just walk in the military is going to just keep using trial and error to see what works. That which doesn't kill can still be super debilitating.
uju32 said:
4) This is where I remind you that in Dresdenverse canon, Nicodemus Archleone and his wife were responsible for the Black Death that killed a third of Europe.
Opposition does not necessarily work against someone like him.
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The fact that was over a hundred years ago indicates that Nick doesn't win all that often.
 
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fictionfan said:
I mostly want her to spend a bit of time in the Last Station because it would be cool if she gave our people some boons which seems likely to happen if she stays there a week. I think that we have a few people dealing with addiction problems and other health issues?
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Those are our minions, setting them up to end up as thralls like we're leaving Pokémon in the daycare hoping to get an egg is a bit much.
 
As a general rule according to Lash Old Nick does not like leaning on the Noose because it is his last line of defense. You do not get to be almost two thousand years old by exposing that constantly, at least that is how he presents it. Lasciel suspects that part of it is that it is really quite unpleasant to shot stabbed and blown up so he would rather not do that even if he can heal such things off.
 
Artemis1992 said:
She can easily get her own money.

She can heal someone, make them look better, give them any skill (worth 10 freebies, which can buy a lot), give them a supernatural ability like reading people's emotions from her own arsenal and various more tricks.

She's a demon meant to seduce a very stubborn Wizard into damnation, seducing normal people into giving her money is utterly trivial.

Edit: given her skill she could probably scam her way into money and a place to stay without actually offering a fair deal too, but I was assuming she would actually offer something in return.
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Yes, she can. This night, and likely at least a weak to come, all she has are clothes on her back. No cult to supply her faith. No money or resources to make use of. No legal identity. Hostiles likely coming for her. The choice is "stay with Dresden" and "go to a homeless shelter" basically.
 
Yog said:
Yes, she can. This night, and likely at least a weak to come, all she has are clothes on her back. No cult to supply her faith. No money or resources to make use of. No legal identity. Hostiles likely coming for her. The choice is "stay with Dresden" and "go to a homeless shelter" basically.
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No.
I'm fully convinced she could talk her way into a home right this day, before her first sleep if she wants to.

She is damn good at social and the Lore of Longing can be terribly powerful against mortals.
 
Artemis1992 said:
No.
I'm fully convinced she could talk her way into a home right this day, before her first sleep if she wants to.

She is damn good at social and the Lore of Longing can be terribly powerful against mortals.
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It's better for her moral development that she gets something freely given. She is allowed to turn us down, but offering is important.
 
Artemis1992 said:
No.
I'm fully convinced she could talk her way into a home right this day, before her first sleep if she wants to.

She is damn good at social and the Lore of Longing can be terribly powerful against mortals.
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Starting your life by being forced to bewitch mortals (and putting them in terrible, terrible danger) is not a good thing, and if we can overt that, we should.
 
[X] Plan Brass Tacks

I'll chip in for Brass Tacks. We need more defenses, a lot more defenses, before they equal what a sufficiently desperate Harry with his usual house guests can pull. We are strong but everything there, right up to and including the dragon-in-the-making, would be turned into raspberry jam on dried toast just buying time.

The real reason, though, it just my feelings on Lash and Harry as people. They are good for each other and Lash will need to lean on someone familiar right now. Harry is her anchor for both morals and morale and they need to be glued to each other for the near future. Too much time in her own head would mean bad things for the woman.


I have to wonder how long the polite amount of time would be before we can talk to her about commissions, though.
 
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firefrog600 said:
I wonder what kind of cult followings exist in a world where people can feasibly live thousands of years.
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Way way late, but responding to this.

The living thousands of years bit does seem to lead to interesting takes especially when you consider that many forms of media are likely less then 2 centuries old. To give an example there are likely people who have been playing chess -or a local equivalent let's call it 'Char'- for a thousand years mastered the game then proceeded to mod new versions of the game. Then new types of media are invented which get adapted to being new versions of Char. Video games which are far removed from the original game at this point, but still have call backs to Char much like we have with D&D. Dating sims played out with Char pieces, racing games, epic poetry, etc.

In general I expect a dichotomy between nostalgia and novelty. All sorts of new attempts to make cool new things, but still liking to reference to the comfort of the old and familiar.
 
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fictionfan said:
If Nick ever comes within line of sight of us we are using MHM to grab that noose.
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I want to fill his health track with nuclear fire at least once before he dies, maybe we can get him to puff up and explode like a peep in a microwave. :V
fictionfan said:
It's better for her moral development that she gets something freely given. She is allowed to turn us down, but offering is important.
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In what way is it necessary that hasn't been covered by other things we've done so far?

If we must play this game why not do it with the money or something that doesn't present an issue if she jumps the wrong way? These seem like self serving justifications for putting her in the minion pool to fish for buffs.
 
BronzeTongue said:
If we must play this game why not do it with the money or something that doesn't present an issue if she jumps the wrong way? These seem like self serving justifications for putting her in the minion pool to fish for buffs.
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Because we are just a little short on money at the moment. Also security is a valid concern.

But more importantly your rhetorical question begging can be reversed. Why not give her a chance to buff up our minions well helping her?
 
BronzeTongue said:
I want to fill his health track with nuclear fire at least once before he dies, maybe we can get him to puff up and explode like a peep in a microwave. :V
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Since there is no way in hell we are securing a true death for the fucker, I want something better than pain. That coin thinks banal pain is cute. No, I want to drown it in humiliation to the point it becomes a permanent and enduring trauma.

Make the first part of his legend that people remember into a comedy. Something that future generations will only have to mention to see his composure shatter.
 
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fictionfan said:
Because we are just a little short on money at the moment. Also security is a valid concern.

But more importantly your rhetorical question begging can be reversed. Why not give her a chance to buff up our minions well helping her?
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The point on security is debatable, the Last Station has never once held off an assault and for all the improvements we've made it still wouldn't stand up to any of the assaults it's already faced.

I don't think your inversion makes any sense at all.

For one, becoming a thrall is a big deal and we shouldn't be pushing people we're responsible for into it. For another, you're compromising other parts of her earlier socialization for our benefit. It isn't some equally grey flip flop.
 
I personally know nothing about how thralls are supposed to work. All I know is that we have people in our care with serious problems that Tiffney is able to fix and that this should help both them and Tiffney. It seems like the clearest win-win possible.
 
fictionfan said:
I personally know nothing about how thralls are supposed to work. All I know is that we have people in our care with serious problems that Tiffney is able to fix and that this should help both them and Tiffney. It seems like the clearest win-win possible.
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Thralls are basically worshippers of the demon as far as I can tell. The make a deal with the devil and get power in exchange, then additionally offer permanent service thereafter. The demon gets the power to do things like drain their willpower to fuel their abilities as they please.

It's not a supernatural medical procedure, it's a life changing realignment of loyalties.

Look back at the page DP posted, it's not supposed to be a casual thing you spam all over the place. It explicitly calls it out as such.

A demon is supposed to have something like three thralls total by the time they hit the middle of their development curve.
 
the DragonBard said:
Wasn't he just a creature of the Nevernever? Not a Fallen?
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It was definitely not a fallen angel; those guys are a bit deal and the whole point of the denarians is that god doesn't allow any more than those agreed 30 to be active on earth.

There was some weird stuff implying he was working for some greater downstairs, but demon as a term is just what wizards call spirit critters they don't like which aren't members of a more specific groups.

He's probably not working for the same downstairs, because the denarians don't use them for anything in canon, but it's not impossible they met at an industry event or something.
 
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