Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Thralls are basically worshippers of the demon as far as I can tell. The make a deal with the devil and get power in exchange, then additionally offer permanent service thereafter. The demon gets the power to do things like drain their willpower to fuel their abilities as they please.

It's not a supernatural medical procedure, it's a life changing realignment of loyalties.

Look back at the page DP posted, it's not supposed to be a casual thing you spam all over the place. It explicitly calls it out as such.

A demon is supposed to have something like three thralls total by the time they hit the middle of their development curve.
In that case are you fine with Harry becoming Lash's Thrall? Because times have changed instead of being a demon that must be resisted at all costs Lash is now a damsel in distress. We leave them together and Harry becoming her thrall is super likely.
 
Wasn't he just a creature of the Nevernever? Not a Fallen?
Not a Fallen, but a small d demon explicitly affiliated working for Hell and summoned from Hell.
From the Wiki:
Chaunzaggoroth, which Harry Dresden nicknames Chauncy, is a demon from the World Below, the underworld. He first appears in Fool Moon.
Harry Dresden initially states that Chaunzaggoroth never lied to him, though he later states Chauncy did lie to him by deceiving Harry about his true nature. It is implied that he serves a being called the Dark Prince.[1] Dresden later indicates Chauncy serves the same master as the Denarians, which is Lucifer.[2]

He has chitinous shoulders, crablike pincers, black eyes, a beaklike nose, and a perfect Oxford accent. He is a popular source of information amongst wizards. He put a pair of wire-rim spectacles on his beak before he started to chat with Dresden.[1]
In Fool Moon, Harry Dresden calls Chaunzaggoroth up into his summoning circle in his basement lab to get information on Harley MacFinn, the Northwest Passage Project and James Douglas Harding III. Chaunzaggoroth insists on getting one of Dresden's Names in exchange. And while he's at it, he tries to recruit Dresden to his side of things, insisting that Dresden's inclination more "like his brethren". He says it would give him status to gain a soul of his caliber into their legions. Because Chaunzaggoroth never lied to Dresden, he agrees to the price since he says he has information that could save lives.[1]

He knows three of Dresden's four names: Harry Blackstone Dresden. Before Chaunzaggoroth leaves, he lets drop that he knew Dresden's mother Margaret LeFay but by a different name before her "redemption" and tried to trade more information about her, and the unnatural deaths of her and Dresden's father.[1]
 
I must have missed that happening in the books because I would expect even someone invisible to have trouble sneaking around a military base. Locked doors all over the damn place most of them with guards.
We literally see it done to Winter Knight Harry onscreen by Ursiel!Genoskwa in Skin Game, and Harry is the sort of person with actual magic senses. Mundane military dudes aint really got a chance.

We dont see Nicky doing magic onscreen, mind.
But its explicit that he was the one who invented the antimagic bracelets that a lot of bad guys use to restrain magic users.
So the man knows his way around the subject.

So? If he tries to just walk in the military is going to just keep using trial and error to see what works. That which doesn't kill can still be super debilitating.
The military cant even see him if he doesnt want to be seen.
You seriously expect him to stand there while they test weapons out?

The fact that was over a hundred years ago indicates that Nick doesn't win all that often.
Not really true. We know very little about his broader strategy and his win-loss ratio.

Word of the Church is that Nicodemus has killed literally all but two Knights who have come after him over the last two millenia, on the order of two thousand people. Every two decades centuries or so, he shows up, wrecks every Church archive that is accumulating historical data on himself and his Order, kills the staff, then leaves. He's been doing this for centuries with impunity.

There's a reason he scares Harry. He's competent.
 
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We literally see it done to Winter Knight Harry onscreen by Ursiel!Genoskwa in Skin Game, and Harry is the sort of person with actual magic senses. Mundane military dudes aint really got a chance.

We dont see Nicky doing magic onscreen, mind.
But its explicit that he was the one who invented the antimagic bracelets that a lot of bad guys use to restrain magic users.
So the man knows his way around the subject.
Good so he doesn't ever actually manage to walk through a military base full of guarded locked doors just because he can turn invisible because that is what you seemed to have been saying was what happened.

Also I very strongly suspect that Nicky is a shadow magic sorcerer with all indicates that A is doing it being either him directing Nicks magic or pure misdirection.
Not really true. We know very little about his broader strategy and his win-loss ratio.



Word of the Church is that Nicodemus has killed literally all but two Knights who have come after him over the last two millenia, on the order of two thousand people. Every two decades or so, he shows up, wrecks every Church archive that is accumulating historical data on himself and his Order, kills the staff, then leaves. He's been doing this for centuries with impunity.
With the destroyed records all of those claims are suspect and need an * after them.

I am really getting sick of this hyping of enemies with everything always indicating that they must be even more dangerous than shown in canon. Yes they are tough and smart doesn't mean everything is easy for them.

Launching nukes as a terrorist action is a hard problem that many people have put thought into making harder. Hence it never having happened in real life.
 
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Good so he doesn't ever actually manage to walk through a military base full of guarded locked doors just because he can turn invisible because that is what you seemed to have been saying was what happened.
He has never had to. It is however, clearly within his capabilities, and that of most Denarians we have seen.

The Genoskwa despite being nine feet tall and hundreds of kilograms in his base form walked in and out of the presence of Winter Knight Dresden undetected. Quintus Cassius was able to literally disguise himself as a senior cleric from the Vatican after they killed the original. Literally had the man's face.

Hell, Nicky and his armed minions were in O'Hare International Airport, and none of the many security cameras there ever saw them, even after they tortured Shiro to death to empower their ritual.
This was a post 9/11 international airport.They did it in the airport chapel.




The fact that they dont often act that blatantly is not because they lack the technical capacity, because we have seen them do worse onscreen. And Dresdenverse militaries lack the technical capability to do anything about this.
Especially in a world where you can shut down unshielded tech with a pretty basic spell.


As for win/loss ratios?

The last time Nicodemus came to Chicago? Shiro, wielder of Fidelacchius, died. Sanya, wielder of Esperacchius, got his arm broken and was left behind. Michael, wielder of Amoracchius, almost died; he was shot four times at close range, knocked unconscious and only avoided being tortured to death because Dresden made sure to take his unconscious body with him.

Dresden foiled his plan by disrupting the Shroud of Turin ritual as well and then jumping off a moving train into water. At night. While carrying a two hundred plus pound man in metal armor and with a gunshot wound in his left arm.
He didnt beat him, he survived him.
 
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Chaunzaggoroth... I kind of want to have tea with at some point. He may serve the first of the fallen in some respect but that man knew how to play the game better than pretty much everyone. Meticulously honest, playing fair but playing smart, and making you come back time and time again because he provided a service. Almost got Harry by the balls through consensual arrangement. If everyone carrying the banners of the deepest hells could act with such care, rather than sabotaging themselves because of impulse at every turn, the Devil would have won by now or at least forced God's localized forfeit.

But, no, everybody has to be breaking out the torture implements and recreational puppy kicking.

Chauncy deserves his promotion.
He has never had to. It is however, clearly within his capabilities, and that of most Denarians we have seen.
Trust Uju on this, guys. There are very few things that I would put past Little Nicky if he has a little warmup and prep time and even off-the-cuff he isn't that much reduced.
 
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I feel like you don't understand just how much of an obstacle a guarded locked door is to an invisible character.

In fact even a closed unlocked door is really hard to get though without people noticing.

And that is one of the many problems with trying to launch nukes as a terrorist action. I don't care if it can sneak by a winter knight that isn't the problem or thing that you insist that they can do easily.

I don't care that the Nickleheads are an overmatch for Harry. Of course they are they are a major antagonist, but you keep insisting that they therefore can do all sorts of very hard things easy.
And Dresdenverse militaries lack the technical capability to do anything about this.

Especially in a world where you can shut down unshielded tech with a pretty basic spell.
Very very unsupported. Because they have not in fact launched nukes. And security conscious places tend to have their tech fail safe and closed.
Trust Uju on this, guys. There are very few things that I would put past Little Nicky if he has a little warmup and prep time and even off-the-cuff he isn't that much reduced.

No I am not going to just trust him on this. He is trying to say that the entire world is completely helpless against Nicky and the only possible explanation for how he hasn't destroyed the world yet is direct divine intervention. That is way too much hype to give.

Now I can see Nick launching a plot to launch nukes which then becomes our next adventure to stop, but saying it is so easy for him that the only explanation that he hasn't done it yet is god stopping him should be ridiculed.

If hundreds of thousands of people trying their very hardest for decades can be overcome so easily then the White God should just trash this free will thing because it obviously doesn't matter.
 
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With the destroyed records all of those claims are suspect and need an * after them.
I quote:
"Nicodemus is an ancient foe of the Knights of the Cross," Forthill said quietly. "Our information about him is limited. He has made it a point to find and destroy our archives every other century or so, so we cannot be sure who he is or how long he has been alive. He may even have walked the earth when the Savior was crucified."
"Didn't look a day over five hundred," I mumbled. "How come some Knight hasn't gone and parted his hair for him?"
"They've tried," Forthill said.
"He's gotten away?"
Forthill's eyes and voice stayed steady. "He's killed them. He's killed all of them. More than a hundred Knights. More than a thousand priests, nuns, monks. Three thousand men, women, children. And those are only the ones listed in the pages recovered from the destroyed archives. Only two Knights have ever faced him and survived."
I had a flash of insight. "Shiro is one of them. That's why Nicodemus was willing to trade me for him."
Forthill nodded and closed his eyes for a moment. "Likely. Though the Denarians grow in power by inflicting pain and suffering on others. They become better able to use the strength the Fallen give them. And they gain the most from hurting those meant to counter them."
What they have is incomplete, but its not inaccurate. If this information was inaccurate, the Knights would know.
Its not like the Swords werent there, even if they arent particularly talkative.
I am really getting sick of this hyping of enemies with everything always indicating that they must be even more dangerous than shown in canon. Yes they are tough and smart doesn't mean everything is easy for them.

Launching nukes as a terrorist action is a hard problem that many people have put thought into making harder. Hence it never having happened in real life.
These. Are. Denarians. People possessed by Fallen Angels who remember when Creation happened, and who Butcher describes as the elite of Hell. Fallen Angels whose power to act on Earth is only limited by Heavenly fiat.
Who Lucifer sent to Earth because they were threatening his power in Hell.

Are you under the impression that the White God put loyal angels in three Swords in order to chase around scrubs?

Mab herself had Nicodemus command the defenses at the Outer Gates when she came newly to power and had to be somewhere else because she didnt have a deputy at the time.
Thats where she owed him the favor that he called in as the plot of Skin Game.

Nicodemus Archleone and his merry men are a Big Fucking Deal in this setting because they have Fallen Angel patrons.
Thats why Molly freeing Lash, a beta fork of Lasciel the Webweaver and incarnating her as an independent entity is a Big Fucking Deal. It wouldnt fucking matter if this was just a newbie vampire.

Launching nukes as a terrorist action is a hard problem that many people have put thought into making harder. Hence it never having happened in real life.
This is not RL, this is an urban fantasy setting with multiple primordial figures walking around.

The naagloshii could launch nukes by stalking the staff, eating one of them and replacing him before he goes to work in the silo.
Drakul could do it by walking into a silo, killing the staff, raising them as vampires, having them launch the missiles, then leave via the NeverNever.

The White Court could potentially do it by mindfucking senior staff of a SSBN before it goes on patrol.
The Archive literally knows the nuclear codes as soon as they are written.

Molly could launch nukes today if she wanted to.
She already has HMP, a 2-dot charm that costs 8xp. She could also use Electric Devil Caress, another 2 dot, 8xp charm.
She just needs to fly onto the base at night.
 
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In the light of what happened the last time that a Greater Akuma came to Last Station?
Let us not invite Lash to lodge there when she is pulling aggro from the entire Order of the Blackened Denarius.
It puts everyone there at risk, and gives her no protection against the level of threat she faces.

Please.


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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Nov 4, 2023 at 10:16 PM, finished with 121 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] Plan Identity
    -[X] Offer something
    --[X] Some money to get herself on her feet
    --[X] Documents to legalize her identity
    --[X] A place to stay at the Last Station until she can find her own, if she wants to.
    --[X] Improving protections of whatever place she chooses to stay at
    -[X] Make a point to socialize with her regularly over the next month at minimum.
    [X] Plan Clear Her Head
    -[X] Some money to get herself on her feet
    -[X] Make a point to socialize with her regularly over the next month at minimum.
    [X] Plan Brass Tacks
    -[X] Offer something
    --[X] Some money to get herself on her feet
    --[X] Some supplies to get her started
    --[X] Documents to legalize her identity
    -[X] Make a point to socialize with her regularly over the next month at minimum.
    [X] STUNT: You catch Harry's eye "She can stay with you right?" At his affirmative nod, you sigh in relief and take over the conversation, turning to his companion. "I cant currently offer you a place to stay yet" you begin apologetically. "Last Station's got better fortifications" you ignore Harry's strangled squawk of protest " But it doesnt have Mouse. And I dont think Last Station's location is secure enough to guarantee your security against your clone-mother's associates" you ignore Charity mouthing clone-mother silently in favor of tossing your car keys at Harry. "Also, there may have been complications if I'd offered Sanctuary as an option" As you pause, Lash - Tiffany- interjects "Complications?". To her question, you waggle a finger at the floor."Rules lawyers". At her look of comprehension, you continue, even as she helps herself to more gingerbread. "There's a couple labelled bags in Rider's trunk; some sets of clothes, personal items, groceries, burner phone, that sort of thing. Some cash in there as well. Rider can drive you both back to Harry's apartment. We'll work on getting you documents after Christmas. Anything you want to talk about tonight?
    [X] Let her and Harry go on their way
    [X] Plan Identity plus stunt
    -[X] Offer something
    --[X] Some money to get herself on her feet
    --[X] Documents to legalize her identity
    --[X] A place to stay at the Last Station until she can find her own, if she wants to.
    --[X] Improving protections of whatever place she chooses to stay at
    -[X] Make a point to socialize with her regularly over the next month at minimum.
    -[x][Stunt]"And I will of course offer you the same things that I offer everyone who comes to the Last Station. Food, a place to rest, a way to earn money and help with legal paperwork for establishing an identity."
 
The naagloshii could launch nukes by stalking the staff, eating one of them and replacing him before he goes to work in the silo.
Doesn't work the people working at the silo don't have the ability to launch and they have regular check ins. It would be noticable fairly quickly if people were going missing.

Edit: Misread thought you said eating them one by one. Still doesn't work but I replied badly.
Drakul could do it by walking into a silo, killing the staff, raising them as vampires, having them launch the missiles, then leave via the NeverNever.
Once again the people working at the silo can't actually launch the missiles, but this might work better assuming that the raised vampires retain all their own skills are under Drakul's control and them working day shift isn't a problem.
Molly could launch nukes today if she wanted to.
She already has HMP, a 2-dot charm that costs 8xp. She could also use Electric Devil Caress, another 2 dot, 8xp charm.
She just needs to fly onto the base at night.
Yes likely could but quick summoning techno spirits able to easily take over arbitrary technology is one of the reasons Molly is a big deal* we don't see any ability to mimic it in DF.

You act like this is matter of sarcasm, but are misreading the situation.

*Fairly sure Harry had nightmares about it after he learned about it.
 
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No I am not going to just trust him on this. He is trying to say that the entire world is completely helpless against Nicky and the only possible explanation for how he hasn't destroyed the world yet is direct divine intervention. That is way too much hype to give.

Now I can see Nick launching a plot to launch nukes which then becomes our next adventure to stop, but saying it is so easy for him that the only explanation that he hasn't done it yet is god stopping him should be ridiculed.
Helpless? No. He is, however, ludicrously top end and there is a very good reason he's still around. He is the sort of creature you treat as a raid boss and bring coalitions against, weighting the scales and stacking the deck and otherwise cheating in every way you possibly can. His power isn't infinite, there are things that can beat him, but if he has the initiative he is never going to fight those things without cheating like the bastard he is himself. If he can't he'll play it smart, go for alternate targets or things outside of your defenses, and maybe wait until you run up against some other threat before stabbing you in the kidneys while you are distracted.

He's not the most powerful enemy we are likely to face but he is probably the smartest. If we meet him I want him to be on the backfoot. An ambush, a trap, what he is expecting not being what he is getting. If he is making the first move after full preparation things are going to suck.
 
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Helpless? No. He is, however, ludicrously top end and there is a very good reason he's still around. He is the sort of creature you treat as a raid boss and bring coalitions against, weighting the scales and stacking the deck and otherwise cheating in every way you possibly can. His power isn't infinite, there are things that can beat him, but if he has the initiative he is never going to fight those things without cheating like the bastard he is himself. If he can't he'll play it smart, go for alternate targets or things outside of your defenses, and maybe wait until you run up against some other threat before stabbing you in the kidneys while you are distracted.

He's not the most powerful enemy we are likely to face but he is probably the smartest. If we meet him I want him to be on the backfoot. An ambush, a trap, what he is expecting not being what he is getting. If he is making the first move after full preparation things are going to suck.
I agree with every sentence here, but this is entirely off the topic of Nick being able to trivially destroy the world with nukes and the only possible explanation for that not having happened yet is direct divine intervention. That is the contested point.
 
In that case are you fine with Harry becoming Lash's Thrall? Because times have changed instead of being a demon that must be resisted at all costs Lash is now a damsel in distress. We leave them together and Harry becoming her thrall is super likely.
If we can't trust him to manage their relationship safely then this whole thing is doomed from the start. Harry is a special case regardless of which way he jumps.
 
Once again the people working at the silo can't actually launch the missiles, but this might work better assuming that the raised vampires retain all their own skills are under Drakul's control and them working day shift isn't a problem.
Thats just not true.

Missiles are launched by the officers on site when they receive the right message from their chain of command.
That has always been true for both ICBMs and submarine-launched ballistic missiles.
And those officers, well....
arstechnica.com

Launch code for US nukes was 00000000 for 20 years

PALs were not the pals of Strategic Command generals.
That fact, originally revealed in a column in 2004 by then-president of the Center for Defense Information Dr. Bruce G. Blair, a former US Air Force officer who manned Minuteman silos, was also mentioned in a paper by Steven M. Bellovin, a computer science professor at Columbia University who teaches security architecture. Both of these sources were cited this week in an article on the site Today I Found Out written by Karl Smallwood, as well as in an article in the UK's Daily Mail.
US nuclear command has always historically prioritized the ability for autonomous launch.
Thats why there are two people in each launch room, you need both people to agree and insert their key cards/codes/whatever they use nowadays, and they are authorized to shoot the other person if that one does anything funny.

Hell, the Brits dont even bother with sending messages; they simply give the captain of their SSBNs a letter and tell them to check periodically for BBC transmissions and the like to find out if the UK has been nuked.
Once the submarine is at sea, its beyond instructions.

And thats just the West, where we've done things like lose track of nuclear cruise missiles for 36 hours in 2007.
Wait till you actually hear about how things are done in, say, Pakistan. Where they were moving nukes around in unmarked panel vans on congested roads. In a country with a domestic terrorism problem.
www.wired.com

Pakistan Carts Its Nukes Around In Delivery Vans

Pakistan is taking nuclear paranoia to a horrifying new low. And it’s making the world a vastly more dangerous place in the process. Freaked out about the insecurity of its nuclear arsenal, the Pakistani military’s Strategic Plans Division has begun carting the nukes around in clandestine ways...


Missile silos are underground. Sunlight is not an issue.
And yes, Blampires retain their skills. That was the whole point of the subplot where Drakul came to kidnap and kill a bunch of White Council wizards in Battle Grounds.
Yes likely could but quick summoning techno spirits able to easily take over arbitrary technology is one of the reasons Molly is a big deal* we don't see any ability to mimic it in DF.
You act like this is matter of sarcasm, but are misreading the situation.
*Fairly sure Harry had nightmares about it after he learned about it.
......
A Kuejin mandarin with Obligation 3: Authority could make a silo officer launch his nukes. Could make POTUS give the order.
So could a Cainite Kindred with Dominate 4/5.
Or Lara with her "Live for me" mind whammy trick on that skinwalker.

Molly is a big deal, but she's by no means at the top of the food chain in the Dresden Files.
Not at Essence 3.
Possibly not ever.
 
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I agree with every sentence here, but this is entirely off the topic of Nick being able to trivially destroy the world with nukes and the only possible explanation for that not having happened yet is direct divine intervention. That is the contested point.
It doesn't even require all that much mojo in my mind. It would be an easy thing slipping a coin to the right up-and-coming man, or just getting yourself elected by false persona. You can not convince me that the man couldn't have worked up some documentation a half century ago, put on a more typical accent, and just gotten elected. He could talk us to damnation or destruction while making us cheer him the whole way.

But there are counterbalances and threats of counterbalances. Some things would be risky to pull off or else bring down a fight they would be more productive without, bringing down the whole of the Accords and a great deal besides. More importantly, there is nothing saying that the Denarians are losing here and... whatever their goals actually are, since theirs are distinct from the Adversary's... what they are doing might just be the winning move rather than what they have to do.

One properly specc'd warlock could probably trigger a nuclear exchange if they come out of the blue and don't run into somebody else's infiltration gambit. As I said way back, if Epstein wasn't a White Court he was the thrall of one and we probably have more subverted figures in government than we have actual representatives in this setting.
Molly is a big deal, but she's by no means at the top of the food chain in the Dresden Files.
Not at Essence 3.
Possibly not ever.
We'd become a big deal about the same time it would be a good idea to head to the Outer Gates and just leave. If we matured into a Primordial-adjacent... yeah, we just go.

Between now and then, and for a good period, we are likely to be walking around as Mab, or thereabouts. Anyone who complains about being comparable to Mab only with more fucking of the laws of reality can be safely ignored.
 
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[] Let her and Harry go on their way

This is my choice but it is not winning.
My opinion here is that letting them go without offering aid is a Bad Idea, and isnt going to help Lash's state of mind or our interests in socializing her into, if not an ally, at least a neutral. She knows Harry too well to not have a social advantage over him, even without Demon magic. An outside perspective is useful here.

And frankly, turning a Demon with Lore of Longing loose on Chicago's streets without much in the way of help or resources is just asking for someone else to make her an offer that might take years to untangle. Its the equivalent of releasing a former Mafia enforcer from prison into a city without any money. They'll be strongly tempted to turn back to crime.



But there is a medium between too much and too little.

Look at Michael's reaction.
He isnt offering her a bed under his roof, for multiple reasons. But he's offering help and introductions that he has no reason to otherwise.


Last time a heavy hitter came after Last Station, he trivially captured everyone there, and drove Porter off.
And that was a capture mission where they wanted hostages. A kill mission by Denarians is gonna cause a lot more casualties among everyone there, even though we've upgraded the defenses.

Unless we are basically moving to Last Station as our residence, we shouldnt make that an option.

Thats my primary problem with Yog's plan: Dont offer Last Station as a residence.
Its hilariously risky.
For everyone involved.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Nov 5, 2023 at 12:04 AM, finished with 130 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] Plan Identity
    -[X] Offer something
    --[X] Some money to get herself on her feet
    --[X] Documents to legalize her identity
    --[X] A place to stay at the Last Station until she can find her own, if she wants to.
    --[X] Improving protections of whatever place she chooses to stay at
    -[X] Make a point to socialize with her regularly over the next month at minimum.
    [X] Plan Clear Her Head
    -[X] Some money to get herself on her feet
    -[X] Make a point to socialize with her regularly over the next month at minimum.
    [X] Plan Brass Tacks
    -[X] Offer something
    --[X] Some money to get herself on her feet
    --[X] Some supplies to get her started
    --[X] Documents to legalize her identity
    -[X] Make a point to socialize with her regularly over the next month at minimum.
    [X] STUNT: You catch Harry's eye "She can stay with you right?" At his affirmative nod, you sigh in relief and take over the conversation, turning to his companion. "I cant currently offer you a place to stay yet" you begin apologetically. "Last Station's got better fortifications" you ignore Harry's strangled squawk of protest " But it doesnt have Mouse. And I dont think Last Station's location is secure enough to guarantee your security against your clone-mother's associates" you ignore Charity mouthing clone-mother silently in favor of tossing your car keys at Harry. "Also, there may have been complications if I'd offered Sanctuary as an option" As you pause, Lash - Tiffany- interjects "Complications?". To her question, you waggle a finger at the floor."Rules lawyers". At her look of comprehension, you continue, even as she helps herself to more gingerbread. "There's a couple labelled bags in Rider's trunk; some sets of clothes, personal items, groceries, burner phone, that sort of thing. Some cash in there as well. Rider can drive you both back to Harry's apartment. We'll work on getting you documents after Christmas. Anything you want to talk about tonight?
    [X] Let her and Harry go on their way
    [X] Plan Identity plus stunt
    -[X] Offer something
    --[X] Some money to get herself on her feet
    --[X] Documents to legalize her identity
    --[X] A place to stay at the Last Station until she can find her own, if she wants to.
    --[X] Improving protections of whatever place she chooses to stay at
    -[X] Make a point to socialize with her regularly over the next month at minimum.
    -[x][Stunt]"And I will of course offer you the same things that I offer everyone who comes to the Last Station. Food, a place to rest, a way to earn money and help with legal paperwork for establishing an identity."
 
I really don't want Last Station and its people to get fucked the hell up by Denarians and I'm kind of pissed people think thats a good idea considering what already happened there once before. Nico is wary of the Temple Dog and Harry's house has a good track record when he doesn't delibertly take down it's defences.

Putting her underground gives the enemy a lot more leeway in what they can do because civilians shouldn't be down there.

What do you guys actually expect to happen if a group of Denarians roll up to Last Station right now when we aren't there?

[X] Plan Clear Her Head
[X] Plan Brass Tacks
 
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In plan clear head does she still go to Harry? Because giving her some money and patting her on her back, while leaving her high and dry is kinda bad
 
In plan clear head does she still go to Harry? Because giving her some money and patting her on her back, while leaving her high and dry is kinda bad
One would think that should be the default assumption here. It's possible she won't but that seems unlikley, Lash should be well aware of her situation here. She has memories from Lashiel.
 
One would think that should be the default assumption here. It's possible she won't but that seems unlikley, Lash should be well aware of her situation here. She has memories from Lashiel.
Here are the options presented.
[] Let her and Harry go on their way

[] Offer something
-[] Some money to get herself on her feet
-[] A solid nest egg (Costs Resources 1)
-[] A place to stay at the Last Station
-[] Write in

[] Write in
They have been presented as mutually exclusive as we let her go with Harry, offer her an alternative or some other thing.

Since Plan clear head uses the second and not the third option, I am assuming that Molly will offer this as an alternative and not in addition to Harry's offer.
 
Here are the options presented.

They have been presented as mutually exclusive as we let her go with Harry, offer her an alternative or some other thing.

Since Plan clear head uses the second and not the third option, I am assuming that Molly will offer this as an alternative and not in addition to Harry's offer.

Characters have agency. Right now it looks like Lash is going with Harry so the 'offer nothing' option is to go with Harry, it you make another option it will be on Lash what she takes and how.
 
Since Plan clear head uses the second and not the third option, I am assuming that Molly will offer this as an alternative and not in addition to Harry's offer.
Even if we don't offer it Lash should be inclined to stick around Harry for the moment at least. Just because we don't offer it doesn't mean she won't do it. I'm not sure what your getting at.
 
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