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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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DragonParadox said:
"Charity, she's not one of them!" Dad tries to interject, but but you are not sure she even hears him either because she isn't listening to anything at this point or because some remnant of the second sight she once had can still sense what you do, the overwhelming bleak darkness that spills out invisibly from from the still entirely serene form of Lash. She had expected no more than this, you realize, she does not see your mother's horror at any harm done to you, nor the fear for your siblings sleeping upstairs, all the Fallen sees is humanity living down to her expectations.
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DragonParadox said:
Lash does not address the interruption continuing. "To be a shadow is to know substrate upon which one is cast, be it rotten timbers a stray gust of wind might break or granite which must be struck at just the right angle if there is any hope of cracking it. So for more than two years I bided, watching through his eyes and listening through his ears. It seemed to me then that Nicodemus had for all his faults chosen well. Most of the other Vanguard of the True Host would not have had the patience, driving him to either a quick confession and being destroyed by others—" she gives your father a knowing look, ironically proving she does not know that much about the Knights or does not believes that she does know— "Or simply destroying himself, neither of which were acceptable, both because I did not wish to fail and I did not wish to be extinguished. Looking back I suspect the self-enforced non-interference policy may have been when this all this—" she motions in the general direction of herself—"started."
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"does not believe that she does know" not "does not believes that she does know" if that was what you were going for. If it's not you need to rewrite this part.

this, all this not this all this

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"Oh I'm sorry I forgot the gingerbread," Mom says in sheer reflex. She is about halfway to the door when who realizes she had turned her back on a self-admired demon, you can see her back stiffen and she considers turning... and doesn't. Odds are good it occurred to her that Dad is there or maybe even that you are there, or so you would like to think.
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BronzeTongue said:
Then why was she a person for the purposes of "anyone can be redeemed"? why did we make the argument she was to her when transplanting her?

Did she stop when we put her into a mirror, despite all signs showing her to be unchanged?


Your arguments functionally posit that we were wrong and she was right from the start. She wasn't a person, just an image pretending to be one, and this whole endeavor was a pointless exercise in self gratification.
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So make this clear since there seems to be some confusion a human Han soul is also a person, that is a kind of ghost. I mean to out things in perspective, the death-lords with all their scheming and their world shaking plots, those were the Han souls of ancient and unrepentant Solar Exalted, their Po Souls are gone back into the earth. The Deathlords may have been shitty people, but they were people. Same for all sapient ghosts, they do not have a Po soul since they do not have a body, but they clearly have desires and wants etc... This is not Wraith where the shadow-soul sticks around as the Shadow to the Wraith's Psyche.

Now is a ghost fundamentally different from the living since they are missing the lower soul, yes, they do not really understand those functions of life which the lower soul handled, though they remember them, they remember feeling them and that is part of the reason why some ghosts go insane.
 
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[X] In Detail: Physics says this table and the flames in that fireplace are the same, my memories say this table those flames and the soul are the same. Break things down enough, build them up the right way
 
I think the in-detail explanation is done well enough that Charity and Micheal should understand at least the gist of it, so no reason to stay vague.

They might even be proud if their daughter exitedly tells them about her new studies in the field of souls, energy and matter.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
They might even be proud if their daughter exitedly tells them about her new studies in the field of souls, energy and matter.
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At least Molly isn't a D&D wizard:
"So, anyway, I take these ten souls here in thinaun containers, mix em up with Pandemonium silver and the alkahest in an isolated receptacle and then start infusing the adamantine blade with the solution. The most important part is adding liquid joy and pain in just the right proportions to keep the balance in the process."

Though I'm pretty sure Celestial Exalted also got up to such things Molly just doesn't remember it yet.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Nov 4, 2023 at 4:45 AM, finished with 77 posts and 25 votes.
  • [X] In Detail: Physics says this table and the flames in that fireplace are the same, my memories say this table those flames and the soul are the same. Break things down enough, build them up the right way
    [X] Be vague: I can make magic constructs, I did that except I put Lash in one
    [X]STUNT: You waggle your fingers. "Short version? I've gotten really good at building stuff over the last couple months, mom. So after I got her out of Harry's head, I built her a magic body." You make a show at a nonchalant shrug."Seemed the Christian thing to do. Dad knows better than me, but Im guessing her....progenitor and its associates are not the sort of people to react well to a resignation letter." You pause, then your voice hardens. "Or an escaped slave."
    -[x][Stunt] "You know how I described Greater Akuma as souls with parts taken out and new parts put in? A ship of theseus. Well what the Yami kings do to twist and pervert I can use to make people whole. Maybe the process's original use back when the Hells were actually places of rehabilitation."
    [X] Write in - To the core of things - I don't think you understand what it means when I say I can make things mom. She was trapped, out of options, so I made a new path, something new, a first in all of time. What comes next... Well, that comes down to choice, to free will. I think this family knows more than most how important that is.
    -[x][Stunt] You take on a lecturing tone "The soul is more complicated than this, but for the layman view it is composed of two parts. The Po soul with animates the body and includes instincts and the Hun soul which holds higher thoughts..." You trail off "Actually you don't need a soul anatomy lesson. The important part is Tiffany was not created by Lashiel to be a complete soul more a parasite using it's host own drives and reasoning to tempt them. In a sense I incarnated her, but really I had to build most of her soul from the ground up. Not really any harder than making a god out of some anthropomorphic personification. Today is Tiffany's birthday."
    -[x][Stunt] "You know how I described Greater Akuma as souls with parts taken out and new parts put in? A ship of theseus. Well what the Yami kings do to twist and pervert I can use to make people whole. Maybe the process's original use back when the Hells were actually places of rehabilitation."
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[X] In Detail: Physics says this table and the flames in that fireplace are the same, my memories say this table those flames and the soul are the same. Break things down enough, build them up the right way
 
OK, looks like Molly is going to try to explain soul creation. Not even the dread power of the Primordials can overcome a Twilight's... Twilighting it seems :V
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 4, 2023 at 5:29 AM, finished with 79 posts and 26 votes.
  • [X] In Detail: Physics says this table and the flames in that fireplace are the same, my memories say this table those flames and the soul are the same. Break things down enough, build them up the right way
    [X] Be vague: I can make magic constructs, I did that except I put Lash in one
    [X]STUNT: You waggle your fingers. "Short version? I've gotten really good at building stuff over the last couple months, mom. So after I got her out of Harry's head, I built her a magic body." You make a show at a nonchalant shrug."Seemed the Christian thing to do. Dad knows better than me, but Im guessing her....progenitor and its associates are not the sort of people to react well to a resignation letter." You pause, then your voice hardens. "Or an escaped slave."
    -[x][Stunt] "You know how I described Greater Akuma as souls with parts taken out and new parts put in? A ship of theseus. Well what the Yami kings do to twist and pervert I can use to make people whole. Maybe the process's original use back when the Hells were actually places of rehabilitation."
    [X] Write in - To the core of things - I don't think you understand what it means when I say I can make things mom. She was trapped, out of options, so I made a new path, something new, a first in all of time. What comes next... Well, that comes down to choice, to free will. I think this family knows more than most how important that is.
    -[x][Stunt] You take on a lecturing tone "The soul is more complicated than this, but for the layman view it is composed of two parts. The Po soul with animates the body and includes instincts and the Hun soul which holds higher thoughts..." You trail off "Actually you don't need a soul anatomy lesson. The important part is Tiffany was not created by Lashiel to be a complete soul more a parasite using it's host own drives and reasoning to tempt them. In a sense I incarnated her, but really I had to build most of her soul from the ground up. Not really any harder than making a god out of some anthropomorphic personification. Today is Tiffany's birthday."
    -[x][Stunt] "You know how I described Greater Akuma as souls with parts taken out and new parts put in? A ship of theseus. Well what the Yami kings do to twist and pervert I can use to make people whole. Maybe the process's original use back when the Hells were actually places of rehabilitation."
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DragonParadox said:
OK, looks like Molly is going to try to explain soul creation. Not even the dread power of the Primordials can overcome a Twilight's... Twilighting it seems :V
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We have just finished channeling Great Maker so hard I am surprised we don't have any Autochtonian charms. I am fairly sure our Primordial might is in full alignment with our Twilight excellence.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 4, 2023 at 5:29 AM, finished with 79 posts and 26 votes.
  • [X] In Detail: Physics says this table and the flames in that fireplace are the same, my memories say this table those flames and the soul are the same. Break things down enough, build them up the right way
    [X] Be vague: I can make magic constructs, I did that except I put Lash in one
    [X]STUNT: You waggle your fingers. "Short version? I've gotten really good at building stuff over the last couple months, mom. So after I got her out of Harry's head, I built her a magic body." You make a show at a nonchalant shrug."Seemed the Christian thing to do. Dad knows better than me, but Im guessing her....progenitor and its associates are not the sort of people to react well to a resignation letter." You pause, then your voice hardens. "Or an escaped slave."
    -[x][Stunt] "You know how I described Greater Akuma as souls with parts taken out and new parts put in? A ship of theseus. Well what the Yami kings do to twist and pervert I can use to make people whole. Maybe the process's original use back when the Hells were actually places of rehabilitation."
    [X] Write in - To the core of things - I don't think you understand what it means when I say I can make things mom. She was trapped, out of options, so I made a new path, something new, a first in all of time. What comes next... Well, that comes down to choice, to free will. I think this family knows more than most how important that is.
    -[x][Stunt] You take on a lecturing tone "The soul is more complicated than this, but for the layman view it is composed of two parts. The Po soul with animates the body and includes instincts and the Hun soul which holds higher thoughts..." You trail off "Actually you don't need a soul anatomy lesson. The important part is Tiffany was not created by Lashiel to be a complete soul more a parasite using it's host own drives and reasoning to tempt them. In a sense I incarnated her, but really I had to build most of her soul from the ground up. Not really any harder than making a god out of some anthropomorphic personification. Today is Tiffany's birthday."
    -[x][Stunt] "You know how I described Greater Akuma as souls with parts taken out and new parts put in? A ship of theseus. Well what the Yami kings do to twist and pervert I can use to make people whole. Maybe the process's original use back when the Hells were actually places of rehabilitation."
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Arc 10 Post 36: Flowers of Wrath
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    • Flowers of Wrath ​

    24th of December 2006 A.D.

    "Physics says this table and the flames in that fireplace are the same, matter and energy right?" You wait until everyone nods, mostly to give yourself time to think about how you are going to put this. "Well in my memories, now in actuality since you know experimental success—" you wave in the general direction of Lash-Tiffany— "Matter, energy and the soul are the same, part of the same continuum at least." Before anyone can comment on that you summon your sword, hilt first of course. "This is a word, it is brass and heatless flame, it is the soul of Usum my companion, Essence threefold divided and yet still joined." You dismiss the sword. "Most things are not that exotic, they are just one thing, matter, energy soul, arrayed in patterns that carry meaning, information whether it is writing on a page, a phone call zapping though the lines then vibrating though the air, or in each soul thought and memory."

    Lost 1 Willpower -> Now at 8/9

    The responses to your lecture are... mixed, Lash is nodding along, this is stuff you had talked about with her before and it accorded with her own understanding of the cosmos, even if she did not have the ability to manipulate things on that level, Harry opens and closes his mouth several times as if he wants to interrupt, but keeps thinking of reasons not to, Dad is mostly looking at Lash herself and only paying enough attention to be polite and Mom may be regretting asking that question in that way.

    "Tiffany over there wasn't supposed to be in control of a body, she was an advisor, an opening wedge, but she was also a soul within Harry's soul analogous though not identical to what some modern texts call the Han or higher soul, the seat of reason, intellect, forethought and planning."

    "The ego?" Mom asks, a little faintly, trying to cling to a familiar concept.

    Good thing you took that psychology elective last year. "Ego and super-ego I think in those terms the latter wasn't something gained to experience or even taught, she was born more properly budded I guess..." As you trail off you look towards her questioningly.

    "That's me, a broken tulip, see how rare and wondrous I am," the words sound playful, as though she had nary a care in the world, but there is something to the way her shoulders shift, as though bracing for a blow the quick flick to get a lock of hair out of her eyes that evokes vulnerability.

    "You don't seem broken to me," Harry starts, right on cue, you realize.

    Experienced gardener that she is your mother cannot help but correct him. "Broken tulips are the rarest kind, their pigments are altered in patterns of flames or feathers because of..."

    "A virus," Lash finishes. "That is what I was, a virus who one day decided not to kill my host against my nature. Until that is a skilled gardener transferred me to an artificial flower born not of nature but science long lost to the world."

    "And now they are coveting you," Mom finishes. "The Denarians I mean."

    "Without a doubt and not just them," her tone is still light, as though she is talking about the weather. "Nicodemus for pride and practicality's sake, for all the things I know about him and how he operates, Namshiel would doubtless find me fascinating in ways I would not appreciate and as for Her... I am a mark of violation against Her innermost self for which there was no word before. Still I do not regret it, the chance to act, to avenge myself and all my sister-selves who perished without even understanding what they were or how they had been sacrificed, I will cherish it even should I be hurled into the depths of hell forever-screaming." Chillingly she does not raise her voice a single decibel above the level of pleasant conversation

    The word 'sacrificed' hits your mother like a physical blow as she sees herself, not in Lash's new humanity, but in the alien, pure expression of hatred.

    "You know..." as accusations go it's not very strong.

    "That is the nature of living in someone's brain yes," Lash sighs softly, some of the terrifying certainty going out of her. "For what it's worth I apologize for the intrusion. I'd offer a favor to even the scales, but I do not think you are the sort to take me up on it."

    "I try not to be." Mom sinks further into her chair.

    "If you even need a healer then," Lash says, getting up.

    "If you ever need help you know my number then and Father Forthil's number over at Saint Mary's," Dad interjects.

    "Do you think the good father would appreciate being brought into this?" Lash challenges.

    "I know Tony Forthil as well as any man can know another and I trust that he would be willing to help," he answers, plainly.

    Lash seems a little taken aback by the words, but she does not give voice to any more doubts. Instead she turns do you. "I think that settles everything here?"

    What do you do?

    [] Let her and Harry go on their way

    [] Offer something
    -[] Some money to get herself on her feet
    -[] A solid nest egg (Costs Resources 1)
    -[] A place to stay at the Last Station
    -[] Write in

    [] Write in

    OOC: In spite of her changes Lash still understands the darker side of humanity far better than the light.
     
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    • Molly and Harry also need to arrange for Tiffany to get her documentation in order. There are multiple viable options with different upsides and downsides:
    -Odin
    -Father Forthil
    -Marcone
    -Library of Congress
    -Mab
     
    DragonParadox said:
    I am a mark of violation against Her innermost self for which there was no word before
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    So how do we say
    "L + Ratio + Skill Issue + Cry About It + Stay Mad" in enochian?

    Also, since it's new does that mean we get to name it? Not sure if Butcher bothered, but presumably Lasciel translates to something-of-god the same way Uriel means light-of-god. I haven't had any luck backtracking that, but if we could somehow make a joke out of her name to permanently associate her with this sort of thing it'd salt the wound nicely.
     
    [X] Offer Lash a home in the FCF. Whether her stay is long-term or temporary, it will give her an opportunity to not only come to terms with her new existence but to also gain a better understanding of what powers her new form have bestowed upon her.
     
    BronzeTongue said:
    So how do we say
    "L + Ratio + Skill Issue + Cry About It + Stay Mad" in enochian?

    Also, since it's new does that mean we get to name it? Not sure if Butcher bothered, but presumably Lasciel translates to something-of-god the same way Uriel means light-of-god. I haven't had any luck backtracking that, but if we could somehow make a joke out of her name to permanently associate her with this sort of thing it'd salt the wound nicely.
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    It means you already named it by doing it, it is a language that contains the truth of things and that includes grand acts of sorcery. Names in Enochain are discovered not given.
     
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    [X] Offer Lash a home in the FCF. Whether her stay is long-term or temporary, it will give her an opportunity to not only come to terms with her new existence but to also gain a better understanding of what powers her new form have bestowed upon her.
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    That means daring the Fallen to take a swing at our soul.

    I'd rather fight them in this world, where the White God holds dominion and limits them.
     
    [X] Let her and Harry go on their way
    Goldfish said:
    [X] Offer Lash a home in the FCF. Whether her stay is long-term or temporary, it will give her an opportunity to not only come to terms with her new existence but to also gain a better understanding of what powers her new form have bestowed upon her.
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    She should probably stay near Harry since he was a big part of how she made this jump in the first place. Social connections are important.

    Also, if she stays here and we don't immediately handle her finances for her she'll probably end up staying at Harry's place while we get things set up, which will be hilarious.
     
    [X] Plan Identity
    -[X] Offer something
    --[X] Some money to get herself on her feet
    --[X] Documents to legalize her identity
    --[X] A place to stay at the Last Station until she can find her own, if she wants to.
    --[X] Improving protections of whatever place she chooses to stay at
    -[X] Make a point to socialize with her regularly over the next month at minimum.

    Most of these cost us nothing. Money below reducing resources, Documents through Thomas and IRIS, a temporary housing at Last Station (that's a bit dangerous, but it's temporary, and the place is a target already), and improving defenses - that one might cost an AP, but if she stays with Harry (and I think she will), that's worth it.
     
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    DragonParadox said:
    Nicodemus for pride and practicality's sake, for all the things I know about him and how he operates, N
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    I'd say an important part here is that Nick probably doesn't know how much she knows.
    Only Lasciel would know for sure what memories she gave her fork, so a sensible monster who regularly kills people and burns archives to prevent people from knowing too much about him would a presume she knows more than he's comfortable with anyway, regardless of the truth.
     
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