[X] "I know there are those that I have ended the path of whom did not deserve it." You think briefly of Chackmon. "Such is unfortunately the way of war, especially when I was weaker. Mercy is the privilege of those with Power, and I try to indulge it as best I can. I do not seek out conflict for it's own sake. I am a Shield, not a sword. I defend my companions and friends. But those who feel I have wronged them, I will give them one chance. I do not refer to the youngsters of course, let revenge be the ambition that fuels their growth, I find no fault in this. But once they grow strong enough to pose a threat, they should also be wise enough to see my terms as just. Either I win, and let them live, or they win and claim their own vengeance. But it ends there. If they cannot accept that, then that is their choice, as are the consequences."
-[X] He brings up a good point and you have spared people whom have tried to kill you before. But the difference is those people targeted you. If someone tried to revenge themselves against you by slaying someone you cared for instead of targeting you the one that wronged them? You would give those no mercy.
 
The problem I have is Chackmon really wasn't that much of an undeserved killing. We fought after he had bombed a locomon (I believe killing the locomon in question) and its derailment probably killed a few more weaker mon. I'm not saying he was evil, but he was a combatant during a time of war who knowingly flouted some of the preexisting unwritten rules of warfare in setting.

I think it's fair to say Verge does have regrets, and deleting Chackmon definitely made Verge feel bad at the time, but I don't think it really fits with the train of thought on morally justifiable vengeance. Chackmon was a bonafide killer in a time of war who attacked Verge, for all Verge doesn't like to think about it- I think the qualm has as much to do with Chackmon's childlike appearance and behavior than Verge killing someone for questionable reasons.
I am of the mind set that he was a combatant who tired to kill Verge and could have easily done so if it was a one on one fight, so not gonna feel bad about him specifically when Verge has killed man a mon before who also tried to kill him.

Now how he actually died was a level of brutality that was undeserving and anyone has the right to feel bad about how he death actually happened.

Just seems a bit strange to me that this is a death that get the a lot light shone in it on and not others like the possible torture victim Madleomon Verge loaded( wasn't it implied at that the IceDevimon basically broken his mind to dark digivolve him?).
 
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I guess of the write-ins so far, I like this one best, although I'd prefer it to have a clarification that it doesn't count as the one chance if its born of youthful recklessness, like a Rookie attempting to challenge us. In that case I'd prefer to treat it as an impromptu training session for them and encourage them to try again when they've grown enough to either reach their peak or actually have a remote chance of success.

[X] Everyone gets one, which is to say, it would be the height of hypocrisy to say that others don't deserve vengeance against your own works--you strive to not delete more than you must at your current level, but you cannot necessarily claim that all of those who have met the end of their path at your hands had none who cared for them either. Nor are you one who seeks to bathe in a sea of shattered data, too fearful of potential consequences to let a single weak foe walk away, potentially able to grow mighty enough to threaten you. So, everyone gets one shot to challenge you for vengeance, with no grudge, and no deletions, or another means of making amends. You are strong enough now to have the luxury of showing mercy against most. But it would be absurd to maintain an open door policy, where any with a grievance against you can try again and again--as your strength has grown, so have your obligations and responsibilities, and neither of those are things you can set down so lightly. One free shot, where they can attempt to gain their vengeance by challenging you to battle when their life is not on the line, or seek redress in some other fashion. But after that is done, it is finished. Persistence can be an admirable trait, but one should never seek to count on their foe to show unlimited forbearance either, a second such challenge would not be so gentle

I do like this addition too though.
-[X] He brings up a good point and you have spared people whom have tried to kill you before. But the difference is those people targeted you. If someone tried to revenge themselves against you by slaying someone you cared for instead of targeting you the one that wronged them? You would give those no mercy.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by drexal15 on Sep 14, 2023 at 12:46 PM, finished with 58 posts and 25 votes.

  • [X] Everyone gets one, which is to say, it would be the height of hypocrisy to say that others don't deserve vengeance against your own works--you strive to not delete more than you must at your current level, but you cannot necessarily claim that all of those who have met the end of their path at your hands had none who cared for them either. Nor are you one who seeks to bathe in a sea of shattered data, too fearful of potential consequences to let a single weak foe walk away, potentially able to grow mighty enough to threaten you. So, everyone gets one shot to challenge you for vengeance, with no grudge, and no deletions, or another means of making amends. You are strong enough now to have the luxury of showing mercy against most. But it would be absurd to maintain an open door policy, where any with a grievance against you can try again and again--as your strength has grown, so have your obligations and responsibilities, and neither of those are things you can set down so lightly. One free shot, where they can attempt to gain their vengeance by challenging you to battle when their life is not on the line, or seek redress in some other fashion. But after that is done, it is finished. Persistence can be an admirable trait, but one should never seek to count on their foe to show unlimited forbearance either, a second such challenge would not be so gentle
    [X] "I know there are those that I have ended the path of whom did not deserve it." You think briefly of Chackmon. "Such is unfortunately the way of war, especially when I was weaker. Mercy is the privilege of those with Power, and I try to indulge it as best I can. I do not seek out conflict for it's own sake. I am a Shield, not a sword. I defend my companions and friends. But those who feel I have wronged them, I will give them one chance. I do not refer to the youngsters of course, let revenge be the ambition that fuels their growth, I find no fault in this. But once they grow strong enough to pose a threat, they should also be wise enough to see my terms as just. Either I win, and let them live, or they win and claim their own vengeance. But it ends there. If they cannot accept that, then that is their choice, as are the consequences."
    -[X] He brings up a good point and you have spared people whom have tried to kill you before. But the difference is those people targeted you. If someone tried to revenge themselves against you by slaying someone you cared for instead of targeting you the one that wronged them? You would give those no mercy.
    [X] "I know there are those that I have ended the path of whom did not deserve it." You think briefly of Chackmon. "Such is unfortunately the way of war, especially when I was weaker. Mercy is the privilege of those with Power, and I try to indulge it as best I can. I do not seek out conflict for it's own sake. I am a Shield, not a sword. I defend my companions and friends. But those who feel I have wronged them, I will give them one chance. And let that be the end of it. Either I win, and let them live, or they win and claim their own vengeance. But it ends there. If they cannot accept that, then that is their choice, as are the consequences."
    -[X] He brings up a good point and you have spared people whom have tried to kill you before. But the difference is those people targeted you. If someone tried to revenge themselves against you by slaying someone you cared for instead of targeting you the one that wronged them? You would give those no mercy.
    [X] "I know there are those that I have ended the path of whom did not deserve it." You think briefly of Chackmon. "Such is unfortunately the way of war, especially when I was weaker. Mercy is the privilege of the strong, and I try to indulge it as best I can. I do not seek out conflict for it's own sake. I am a Shield, not a sword. I defend my companions and friends. But those who feel I have wronged them, I will give them one chance. And let that be the end of it. Either I win, and let them live, or they win and claim their own vengeance. But it ends there. If they cannot accept that, then that is their choice, as are the consequences."
    -[X] He brings up a good point and you have spared people whom have tried to kill you before. But the difference is those people targeted you. If someone tried to revenge themselves against you by slaying someone you cared for instead of targeting you the one that wronged them? You would give those no mercy.
    [x] Until we spoke now, I thought I had an answer. But now? Your words, they remind me of something. Something my caretaker when I was rookie told me. I wonder, despite all of my strength and all I have accomplished, would Gramps have been proud of the mon I have become? I... am going to have to meditate on this.
    [x]This is not a question with a simple answer. It would have to be on a case by case basis.
    [X] No, you're strong enough at this point to remain non-lethal unless forced. At this poiont, a quick Spinal-Tap is enough to handle all but the strongest Ultimates
    [X] Everyone gets one, which is to say, it would be the height of hypocrisy to say that others don't deserve vengeance against your own works--you strive to not delete more than you must at your current level, but you cannot necessarily claim that all of those who have met the end of their path at your hands had none who cared for them either. Nor are you one who seeks to bathe in a sea of shattered data, too fearful of potential consequences to let a single weak foe walk away, potentially able to grow mighty enough to threaten you. So, everyone gets one shot to challenge you for vengeance, with no grudge, and no deletions, or another means of making amends. You are strong enough now to have the luxury of showing mercy against most. But it would be absurd to maintain an open door policy, where any with a grievance against you can try again and again--as your strength has grown, so have your obligations and responsibilities, and neither of those are things you can set down so lightly. One free shot, where they can attempt to gain their vengeance by challenging you to battle when their life is not on the line, or seek redress in some other fashion. But after that is done, it is finished. Persistence can be an admirable trait, but one should never seek to count on their foe to show unlimited forbearance either, a second such challenge would not be so gentl
    [X]Yes, you would delete them if they came seeking your life. If they would run to their own deaths, then so be it.
    [X] "If they bring harm to others simply for association with me in their pursuit of vengeance, then yes I will return the deed in kind. if they should keep their hatred upon me & not sweep the undeserving up in their path of destruction then I will return the favor just as assuredly by focusing on them only so long as they actively oppose me, I do not wish to repeat the mistakes of the past but neither will I just roll over if that past comes knocking"
    [X] Everyone gets one, which is to say, it would be the height of hypocrisy to say that others don't deserve vengeance against your own works--you strive to not delete more than you must at your current level, but you cannot necessarily claim that all of those who have met the end of their path at your hands had none who cared for them either. Nor are you one who seeks to bathe in a sea of shattered data, too fearful of potential consequences to let a single weak foe walk away, potentially able to grow mighty enough to threaten you. So, everyone gets one shot to challenge you for vengeance, with no grudge, and no deletions, or another means of making amends. You are strong enough now to have the luxury of showing mercy against most. But it would be absurd to maintain an open door policy, where any with a grievance against you can try again and again--as your strength has grown, so have your obligations and responsibilities, and neither of those are things you can set down so lightly. One free shot, where they can attempt to gain their vengeance by challenging you to battle when their life is not on the line, or seek redress in some other fashion. But after that is done, it is finished. Persistence can be an admirable trait, but one should never seek to count on their foe to show unlimited forbearance either, a second such challenge would not be so gentle
    -[X] He brings up a good point and you have spared people whom have tried to kill you before. But the difference is those people targeted you. If someone tried to revenge themselves against you by slaying someone you cared for instead of targeting you the one that wronged them? You would give those no mercy.

Alrighty, I'm a bit terrified of going through all this, but I'll do my best. I will try to update today, but there's a good chance I might not be able to.
 
You still there Drexal ?
I guess of the write-ins so far, I like this one best, although I'd prefer it to have a clarification that it doesn't count as the one chance if its born of youthful recklessness, like a Rookie attempting to challenge us. In that case I'd prefer to treat it as an impromptu training session for them and encourage them to try again when they've grown enough to either reach their peak or actually have a remote chance of success.
Would a normal rookie even attempt to Challenge Verge as an ultimate with his dark aura or the holy power of either of his most likely mega?

Also if Dinoknightmon starts stuff again do we count all his previous attempts of Verge's life already and aim to end him? I feel like if for some reason he tries he should be deleted at that point considering everything that happened with him.
 
Would a normal rookie even attempt to Challenge Verge as an ultimate with his dark aura or the holy power of either of his most likely mega?
A normal one wouldn't. A normal one would have way too much fear to try.

One with the same personality type as Flamemon might though. More valor than sense. Those are the kind where I'd prefer a "treat it as a training session for them, and encourage them to try again when they're older".
 
Also if Dinoknightmon starts stuff again do we count all his previous attempts of Verge's life already and aim to end him? I feel like if for some reason he tries he should be deleted at that point considering everything that happened with him.
At this point I would presume that it would.

One with the same personality type as Flamemon might though. More valor than sense. Those are the kind where I'd prefer a "treat it as a training session for them, and encourage them to try again when they're older".
Yeah Verge is becoming a middle-aged martial arts master. He has had some success in training others and all of his kids have become successful in their own way. He'd probably relish being a role-model to young mon especially those he could help cultivate a heroic/just desposition.
 
5th Of Steel: You Get One & Ward’s Well Wishes
[] Everyone gets one, which is to say, it would be the height of hypocrisy to say that others don't deserve vengeance against your own works--you strive to not delete more than you must at your current level, but you cannot necessarily claim that all of those who have met the end of their path at your hands had none who cared for them either. Nor are you one who seeks to bathe in a sea of shattered data, too fearful of potential consequences to let a single weak foe walk away, potentially able to grow mighty enough to threaten you. So, everyone gets one shot to challenge you for vengeance, with no grudge, and no deletions, or another means of making amends. You are strong enough now to have the luxury of showing mercy against most. But it would be absurd to maintain an open door policy, where any with a grievance against you can try again and again--as your strength has grown, so have your obligations and responsibilities, and neither of those are things you can set down so lightly. One free shot, where they can attempt to gain their vengeance by challenging you to battle when their life is not on the line, or seek redress in some other fashion. But after that is done, it is finished. Persistence can be an admirable trait, but one should never seek to count on their foe to show unlimited forbearance either, a second such challenge would not be so gentle
[] "I know there are those that I have ended the path of whom did not deserve it." You think briefly of Chackmon. "Such is unfortunately the way of war, especially when I was weaker. Mercy is the privilege of those with Power, and I try to indulge it as best I can. I do not seek out conflict for it's own sake. I am a Shield, not a sword. I defend my companions and friends. But those who feel I have wronged them, I will give them one chance. I do not refer to the youngsters of course, let revenge be the ambition that fuels their growth, I find no fault in this. But once they grow strong enough to pose a threat, they should also be wise enough to see my terms as just. Either I win, and let them live, or they win and claim their own vengeance. But it ends there. If they cannot accept that, then that is their choice, as are the consequences."
-[] He brings up a good point and you have spared people whom have tried to kill you before. But the difference is those people targeted you. If someone tried to revenge themselves against you by slaying someone you cared for instead of targeting you the one that wronged them? You would give those no mercy.

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Hrmm, that is... Not an easy question to answer.

Strictly speaking this could be something you could answer easily enough, it would be a simple matter to swear to one extreme or another. However a topic of this importance deserves a far more in depth consideration than that. As your strength has grown, so have your obligations and responsibilities, and none of those are things you can set down so lightly.

At the base of it all lies your own philosophy on violence and deletion. Flamemon was strictly against killing, and only changed his mind as Agnimon once Gramps' perished. Gramps only believed in doing deleting when necessary and you… the necessities of war and battle pushed you further. You may strive to not delete more than you must (at your current level of strength needing to kill has become much rarer) however exceptions have to be made situationally.

It would be the height of hypocrisy to say that others don't deserve their chance at retribution against you for your own action. On the other hand, nor are you willing to ruthlessly seek out and expunge all those holding potential enough to threaten you. The sea of shattered data and broken lives such destruction would cause…

It would be a never ending slaughter.

Even the thought of it is sickening.

But it would be likewise absurd to maintain a free for all policy of openness, where any dangerous mon with a grievance can challenge you again and again without retaliation. Persistence can be an admirable trait, but one should never seek to count on their foe to show unlimited forbearance either.

"Verge?" You blink, Ardat's words knocking out of the philosophical funk.

"My apologies, I was lost in thought." A breath flows from your lungs, and you straighten up in your seat. That was a great deal of philosophizing. However, to condense it into a proper answer… "One chance."

Wolfmon nods at your statement, but his curious aura and expression call for further explanation.

"I am aware that there are those who did not deserve my ending of their path." You murmur solemnly, a flash of Chackmon's last words ringing through your mind. "But mercy is the privilege of those with Power. I can only give to those I can defeat without killing them."

You are a Shield, not a sword. Now that your vengeance has been quelled, your purpose as a Warrior is to defend your companions and friends. That more sedentary piece of you however is tempered by your purpose as a Martial Artist calls for the purity of training and battle.

"I will give one chance to those seeking vengeance upon me. In our first battle I will not delete them. However if they choose to continue, If they cannot accept that I am beyond their reach, then that is their choice." The barrel in your hand nearly shatters, and only a tinge of Qi prevents it from buckling inwards. "As are the consequences."

You pause, letting the full weight of your words and promise hang in the air. Ardat nods along, slightly confused by thankfully supporting. Your rival on the other hand has a question.

"And what If one of those mon try to avenge themselves against you by slaying another you cared for?" Garummon asks, throwing a glance towards the Demon Lord at your side.

"Then I would not be merciful." You growl, not liking the implications of his words. Not that Ardat herself would be easy to slay, but Astamon made that very threat against your mentor MayorTyrannmon. He could very well murder half of your acquaintances should you move against him.

Your rival nods again, and you think the matter over. That is until Ardat clears her throat, and puts hand on your arm.

"Verge, a moment if you please." The Demon Lord says, her delicate features set ina cute, you mean serious frown. "You can't mean every mon that challenges you?" A strange question and your tilting head prompts her to continue. "Nihihi, foolish Knight. Naive and brave simpletons shall assault you heedless of the gap in power!"

Point.

"As you get older, most of the server will come to be considered young to you." Garummon snorts, though it's difficult to tell if it's supposed to be amusement or wry mockery. In the end you shrug and give a simple answer.

"Mayhaps. You let out a breath as Ardat relaxes. "Either I find victory in the first match, and let them live. Or they win and claim their vengeance. However…" Your gaze hardens and Wolfmon twitches, his hands nearly going for his blades. "It ends there. If they cannot accept that, then that is their choice. As are the consequences."

"Hmhmph, a grander answer than I expected." Wolfmon grunts. "I am satisfied."

"But why ask me this? It cannot be a mere whimsy of the mind."

"Can you not see my Knight?" Ardat speaks up before the mon can answer. "*Garummon* here is the Sephirot's premier executioner." The smug knowing look on her face comes to rival's Sparks'. "He must have slain plenty of mons for the Sephirot's *Greater Good* And it's weighing heavily on his mind."

The Legendary Warrior of Light blinks at her words, opens his mouth to retort, then shuts it again. He mulls it over for a moment, then lets out a low and bitter chuckle.

"She's right my rival. It was for my own satisfaction." He rises up from the seat, pausing only to toss a silver bit chit onto the table. "For the Tea Chevalier Verge, and…" He throws a final smile over his shoulder. "I will be awaiting news of your victory over Morningstar." With that he steps out the teashop's door.

You stand up a few seconds later likewise ready to depart, however Ardat waivering aura draws your attention. It takes a few seconds of silently prodding the nervous womon, but eventually she speaks up.

"My Knight we, as Lilithmon we could…" She trails off into a wince, aura fluttering widely with worry. "We possess an ability that could help you achieve a dark Burst Mode." The Demon Lord finally admits. "It would be more than enough to triumph against that arrogant and conceited angel. But…" She takes another breath. "I know that you wouldn't appreciate me trying to hand you that power."

"You would be correct."

And if it's a Demon Lord triggered Burst Mode, that may cause a dark evolution in my current state. That would be… unfortunate. Mayhaps as a a last resort against Astamon...

"You have my thanks for not pressing the issue." Your words cause the womon to blush, however she manages to avoid stutteri-

"Y-you are most welcome!" She stutters before flying up from the table. "Now my knight, we have a match to reach! You can't be late for your victory!"

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Not long after that, you drop Ardat off in Bulwarks' booth, then make your way towards the appointed spot set by Tuwarmon. However to your surprise, there's already a familiar presence waiting there.

Hold, on that's…

Scourge step out into the wallway, the Scorpiomon glaring as always.

"Hiss!"

His protest makes you snort, the absurdity truly laughable.

"My thanks Scourge, but I have no intention of shaming you by *getting bodied*"

"*Chitter, Chitter, Screech*!"

"No." You answer back sternly. "Warren deserved to win our match, I set my own level of strength and willingess to use techniques. Stopping myself from exiting the ring would have been-"

"Wryeeee?!"

"Aye, I could have won if I'd wanted. However it was not a defeat given out of pity." You clarify with a sigh. Scourge scoffs at that and turns away as if angry… then stop himself and through great effort forces himself to look back.

"*Hiss*... GoOda LucKa" He struggles out, saying the first normal words since… you can remember.

"Thank you." You grin back, touched by his effort. "Fret not my Ward. Your caretaker is strong."

===AN: Those write ins were interesting to get through. I had to beef up my initial draft since it didn't do them justice. Anyways! I was well enough to write today so I'm happy. Next snippet should be coming in the next hour or so, I split it up here because of how I want to threadmark the match.
 
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It would be the height of hypocrisy to say that others don't deserve their chance at retribution against you for your own action.
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"Hmhmph, a grander answer than I expected." Wolfmon grunts. "I am satisfied."
Interesting that he used two different shades there (or was that an accident?).
The smug knowing look on her face comes to rival's Sparks'.
to rival Sparks's.
"He must have slain plenty of mons for the Sephirot's *Greater Good* And it's weighing heavily on his mind."
Good. And
however Ardat waivering aura draws your attention
Ardat's wavering
 
"My Knight we, as Lilithmon we could…" She trails off into a wince, aura fluttering widely with worry. "We possess an ability that could help you achieve a dark Burst Mode." The Demon Lord finally admits. "It would be more than enough to triumph against that arrogant and conceited angel. But…" She takes another breath. "I know that you wouldn't appreciate me trying to hand you that power."

Ardat you Megumin expy - love ur antics but that's gonna be a no from me.
Not only for the risks and drawbacks stated but it wouldn't feel earned especially in this context.
 
"Mayhaps. You let out a breath as Ardat relaxes
You didn't add a " to separate the dialogue from the rest of the sentence.
The Demon Lord says, her delicate features set ina cute, you mean serious frown.
I think you meant In a.
Garummon asks, throwing a glance towards the Demon Lord at your side.
Did he shift back to Garummon from Wolfmon?
Garummon snorts, though it's difficult to tell if it's supposed to be amusement or wry mockery.
"*Garummon* here is the Sephirot's premier executioner."
Wolfmon grunts. "I am satisfied."
Actually you go back and forth in the chapter without indication of whether Garummon/Wolfmon is switching forms mid-conversation.
Scourge step out into the wallway, the Scorpiomon glaring as always.
The link does not cover the full word.
 
Holy crap Scourge's first non-bugganese words. I really wasn't expecting him to pop up given his reaction to us telling him to stop snorting tiberium, but I'm glad he did.

Also good on you Ardat, not trying to pressure us into accepting performance-enhancing drugs external powers of darkness.
 
well good on Ardat for being Aware of Verg's beliefs.

and it is reassuring that she has a trump card in her back pocket for when this shit hits the fan. because as soon as our match is over Glooming and the temples are going to make their move and we're proably going to need that oomph to deal with whatever happens .

Scourage's first normal words are touching
 
Verge already has his own dark mode Ardat, he probably won't want another but thanks you for letting us know. Now just gotta hope she doesn't use it on anyone else.

I'm gonna have to take that back. I took a break but I'm still crashing too badly to write properly.
Well hopefully you can get the update done soon.

We still need to see the maverick wrath and desire version.

I really wasn't expecting him to pop up given his reaction to us telling him to stop snorting tiberium, but I'm glad he did.
Did he stop taking that stuff by the way drexal ?
 
Use the power of a god to rip and tear an angel's wings.

Been a long time since Verge last used Tekkousou, but this is certainly an opponent that could warrant it. Especially if we need a single giant hit to finish him off before he can use a healing technique.

Likely that move is going to by necessity be the last move in an all or nothing gambit. It's even more draining than Avalon.

Bait him in by taunting that last time he broke his fist on Avalon . Use it to eat a hit to land a maxed out version of the move
 
Been a long time since Verge last used Tekkousou, but this is certainly an opponent that could warrant it. Especially if we need a single giant hit to finish him off before he can use a healing technique.
It's been awhile so not sure if I am remembering it right but originally he couldn't uses it cause he had no idea how but us choosing the options of training what Astamon shown us and aiding Sparks his training would have led to Verge learning how to do it on command right? ( Also adding his will as a martial artist to his spirit to enhance his techniques somehow which I am not sure if we saw either)
 
I suspect it's a minority opinion, but I'd prefer to leave things open ended if there's even the slightest chance this returns. No ill will towards anyone else, but I'd like to cling to that hope. This has been a fantastic story regardless.
 
I think you might be better served if you grab whatever notes you have, jot down some of what you don't have written and throw it into a document that you can post here for others to view if they really want to. Just in case it can return, but providing enough closure for those that really want it.
 
I think you might be better served if you grab whatever notes you have, jot down some of what you don't have written and throw it into a document that you can post here for others to view if they really want to. Just in case it can return, but providing enough closure for those that really want it.
Not a terrible idea, not a terrible idea at all.
 
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