Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

BronzeTongue · Aug 11, 2023

Earth-Destroyer said:
Frankly the Accords are to small time for Molly. Molly better off making her own treaties independent of it.

This is silly. The Accords basically include 90% of the powers capable of performing diplomacy and set the standards aped by most of the rest.

You can make arguments about potential influences and issues with the people who got it rolling, but avoiding it on the basis of being superior to it is like avoiding the UN on the basis of being better than everyone there.

Not very helpful for diplomacy.

Dmol8 said:
[X] First thing's first, get Izzy and Alec to some kind of medical facility, you can deal with the rest of this later.

[x] Plan Taking Charge and Status Report

Getting even more reminders of why I fucking hate Exalted as a setting you guys. Seriously even if Molly needed to sit on Her Throne to activate Mercy in Servitude for her worshipers, it was Izzy and Alec getting hurt that started this sequence of events. Let's make sure they are okay as much as we can.

They aren't hurt, right now they're comfortable and safe.

The situation needs managed, but we also sort of triggered a bigger one in the process of handling the last one.

We're one voice in this, this is going to touch off a whole event for the people living here regardless of what we do that must be worked through before anything else is going to happen.

So we can choose to deal with insulting and dismissing these people then dealing with the fallout before getting help for our stable and unharmed friends, or we can address this head on and with the respect it deserves and then get help for our stable and unharmed friends.

You're hating on exalted like we're leaving them to bleed out on the floor while we collect shiny objects, but I think you're ignoring the context around both the situation preceding this and what we're doing right now.

Again, if Broken Seeker left any lasting harm then he's failed to honor his word before even taking delivery of the thing he traded them back to us for. He'll stab us in the back for his own advantage in a heartbeat, but this entire situation should underline that he isn't an idiot and finds the idea of fighting a pissed off infernal unpalatable.

Screwing us over in this particular way at this particular time would just be stupid and pointlessly trigger the exact situation he wants to avoid.

uju32 said:
1)Cite?
I dont recall seeing any thing on the order of "make a Horizon Realm the size of Ukraine"

Pocket Idaho splendors.

uju32 said:
2)I am reasonably sure thats not how power in the Dresden Files works.
The White Council doesnt hold enough territory to even count as a city-state.
Ditto Odin.

Supernatural powers have their foundations in different places, wizards don't work the same as vamps who don't work the same as fey.

Winter is an example of a power for which this is a relevant factor. Winter being a nation of hundreds of millions is how they manage to hold the position they do.

Earth-Destroyer · Aug 11, 2023

uju32 said:
Its not just the DC reduction, its the Essence cost reduction for both Path Sorcery and Ancient Sorcery that makes combat magic viable for Molly in a way it wasnt previously.
Let me do it this way:

Plus, while the charm says that Ancient Sorcery still has a minimum cost?
It doesnt say that Path sorcery has a minimum cost.

No GM alive would ever allow zero cost effects. Also the DC reduction is not that great for most paths even Molly clones will rock a -4 dc, given any setup time. Now the reduced cost would probably be very good for Molly clones, with their pure mortal pool to cast from.

Fouredged Sword · Aug 11, 2023

A_Somebody said:
What. Giant domesticated PORCUPINES?

Lol quintessential STEM experience right there. Missing a small, tiny amount of zeros, or a +/- completely fucking borks everything. Also we know not everyone lives in the cities! We have the exiled porcupine herders!

Spines are an adaptation to avoid being swallowed by a larger creature.

If there are giant porcupines... what is eating them?

A_Somebody · Aug 11, 2023

Fouredged Sword said:
Spines are an adaptation to avoid being swallowed by a larger creature.

If there are giant porcupines... what is eating them?

While this is a fascinating thing to speculate in, it seems like the mammoths are the giant things being ridden and the porcupines are "just" herd animals. Size unknown. I suspect domestication would've had people breeding for size to some extent.

Nyarky · Aug 11, 2023

DragonParadox said:
OOC: With thanks to @Yog and @myrix for designing a rich world and its history, a great foundation to build on. Also I am not even going to make Molly roll Perception+Empathy, Usum is transcendentally smug.

He was radiating it as if it was the best day ever in his whole life.

[x] Ascend the Throne, he's right you can handle the rest of this later, but if people are waiting, if people are watching they should see a ruler, not a confused girl

fictionfan · Aug 11, 2023

Nyarky said:
He was radiating it as if it was the best day ever in his whole life.

Which is really saying something.

Azais · Aug 11, 2023

Honestly @DragonParadox, if you could make another update today it would be better to just close the poll, the winning option has a very big lead.

Fouredged Sword · Aug 11, 2023

Nyarky said:
He was radiating it as if it was the best day ever in his whole life.

[x] Ascend the Throne, he's right you can handle the rest of this later, but if people are waiting, if people are watching they should see a ruler, not a confused girl

This is, quite literally, the moment he exists for.

Dmol8 · Aug 11, 2023

BronzeTongue said:
They aren't hurt, right now they're comfortable and safe.

The situation needs managed, but we also sort of triggered a bigger one in the process of handling the last one.

We're one voice in this, this is going to touch off a whole event for the people living here regardless of what we do that must be worked through before anything else is going to happen.

So we can choose to deal with insulting and dismissing these people then dealing with the fallout before getting help for our stable and unharmed friends, or we can address this head on and with the respect it deserves and then get help for our stable and unharmed friends.

You're hating on exalted like we're leaving them to bleed out on the floor while we collect shiny objects, but I think you're ignoring the context around both the situation preceding this and what we're doing right now.

Again, if Broken Seeker left any lasting harm then he's failed to honor his word before even taking delivery of the thing he traded them back to us for. He'll stab us in the back for his own advantage in a heartbeat, but this entire situation should underline that he isn't an idiot and finds the idea of fighting a pissed off infernal unpalatable.

Screwing us over in this particular way at this particular time would just be stupid and pointlessly trigger the exact situation he wants to avoid.

Your argument makes quite a few assumptions. Let me clarify my problem with the vote:

- Izzy and Alec are the reason we got the Kingdom Charm now. It is really weird at best and actually callous to just ignore them in favor of continuing the plot of getting the Kingdom Charm.

- If these people living in Molly's soul would be insulted by Molly helping her friends then they are not worth dealing with.

- Molly actually keeping her behavior more humane is going to go a long way to making at least Dresden feel like she didn't just get twisted around from the Kingdom Charm going live.

firefrog600 · Aug 11, 2023

Dmol8 said:
Your argument makes quite a few assumptions. Let me clarify my problem with the vote:

- Izzy and Alec are the reason we got the Kingdom Charm now. It is really weird at best and actually callous to just ignore them in favor of continuing the plot of getting the Kingdom Charm.

- If these people living in Molly's soul would be insulted by Molly helping her friends then they are not worth dealing with.

- Molly actually keeping her behavior more humane is going to go a long way to making at least Dresden feel like she didn't just get twisted around from the Kingdom Charm going live.

help them how? Like seriously they'll listen to someone on the throne. Right now while their a fairly nice society so not likely to just kill us. Would likely you know interrogate the people who've teleported into the palace.

OctarineShrike · Aug 11, 2023

[X] First thing's first, get Izzy and Alec to some kind of medical facility, you can deal with the rest of this later.

DragonParadox · Aug 11, 2023

A_Somebody said:
What. Giant domesticated PORCUPINES?

Lol quintessential STEM experience right there. Missing a small, tiny amount of zeros, or a +/- completely fucking borks everything. Also we know not everyone lives in the cities! We have the exiled porcupine herders!

The woolly porcupine is detailed here by @Yog, they are both very cute and an interesting concept as they encourage farmers to use humane methods of raising them. Since everything in this world is somehow based on Molly's personality and thoughts one can think of these not-so-little guys as her impulse against factory farming,

powergoat · Aug 11, 2023

I am actually very slightly concerned about our friends getting medical attention in our realm. Remember, the doctors of this place don't learn how to keep people alive for the most part, just keep them comfortable and occasionally kill people in such a way as they will pop back without the maledy. It probably won't happen here, but it's something to keep in mind.

Also, Yog, what is the in story explanation for the Musroom folk? Humans are humans, spiders and dragons are patterns spiders and dragon kings, and we have been jiving with machine spirits already, but mushrooms seem to just be… a thing?

myrix · Aug 11, 2023

Hey guys, I understand an impulse to vote for Izzy and Alec first, but it's counter-productive, we need the Throne first.

Reasons:

1. We are observed, Palace has security, we are unexpected intruders breaking and entering into the holiest place of the Realm, and somebody is definitely heading here right now to check up on us.

DragonParadox said:
Palace Security SUTRA performing an emergency scan of the chamber after unexpected spike in thaumic readings

2. We can't actually ensure that Izzy and Alec are helped without authority. If we can't establish credentials, there's a chance they will be treated as unknowns after breaking and entering, in that case we can't be sure they will be helped.

3. And just claiming that we are Empress is not enough, even just imediately felt effect of MiS, if it even is present, is not enough, we have to sit on the Throne for it to recognize us and react in a proper way, to show everyone that we are legit.

DragonParadox said:
That will be expanded on next update, but yes claiming to be the Empress is not as easy as just sitting on the throne, it has to react a certain way.

4. And right now Izzy and Alec are comfortable and stable, we have a minute or two to establish our credentials via the Throne, as shown in the update:

DragonParadox said:
The thought directs your gaze inwards to the heart of the room for the first time, now that your friends are comfortable, safe.

If you are 100% set to help them immediately right now, please then vote for a plan at least including sitting on the Throne first, so that our authority to order people around to help them is established with 100% certainty.

Dmol8 · Aug 11, 2023

firefrog600 said:
help them how? Like seriously they'll listen to someone on the throne. Right now while their a fairly nice society so not likely to just kill us. Would likely you know interrogate the people who've teleported into the palace.

My plan votes literally speak for themselves on that.

uju32 · Aug 11, 2023

BronzeTongue said:
On the Accords end Marcone's gang was enough to get added, being a realm is enough to get us treated way more seriously but we still need three co-signers to get added.

Marcone's accession was signed by Harry, Lara and Odin representing the White Council, White Court and Monoc.

firefrog600 said:
thats nice I like the stories about stuff like roman house gods and other things. Surprised the palace doesn't have a genius loci though given it is a fuck huge palace. Bigger than anything in real life.

Spirits were part of the problem in Exalted in the Second Age.
Too many spirits claiming jurisdiction for every little thing and wanting to be consulted and paid off for every fucking little thing.

Can you imagine having to seek permission to repaint your house from a series of gods that claim jurisdiction
You very much do not want to replicate that problem in this setting.

Fouredged Sword said:
Yes, but the question is are "The Vampire Courts" accorded members individually or collectively? The list says "Both Faerie Courts" as well. Does that refer to two accorded members Winter and Summer or to one accorded member "The Faerie Courts"? The language isn't clear.

Individually.

DragonParadox said:
Given how distinct their interests and rulers are it would not make sense for them not to each have a vote. Same goes for Winter and Summer. Trying to get Mab and Titania to agree on every point a hypothetical collective of the Faerie Courts would put together sounds like an exercise in in not just futility but madness

Gonna note that the Jade Court is not a signatory of the Accords, but follow them according to Shiro.
And that people treat them like they are, because not doing so generally ends very badly for the person

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Death Masks chapter 17 said:
Rather than inflicting another Charity encounter upon myself, I pulled the Beetle up to the curb in front of Michael's house and honked the horn. A moment later, Shiro appeared. The little old man had shaved the white down from his head, and where he didn't have liver spots, the skin shone. He wore some kind of loose-fitting black pants that looked a lot like the ones I'd seen Murphy wear at one of her aikido tournaments. He also wore a black shirt and a white gi jacket with a scarlet cross on either side of his chest. A belt of red silk held the jacket closed, and he wore his sword through it, still in its wooden cane-sheath. He opened the door, slipped into the Beetle, and held his sword across his lap.
I got going, and neither of us said anything for a while. My knuckles were getting white again, so I started talking. "So you've done one of these duels before?"
"Hai," he said, nodding. "Many times."
"Why?"
Shiro shrugged. "Many reasons. Protect someone. Force something to leave an area in peace. Fight without involving others."
"To the death?"
Shiro nodded. "Many times."
"Guess you're pretty good at it then," I said.
Shiro smiled a little, eyes wrinkling even more. "Always someone better."
"You ever dueled a vampire?"
"Hai. Jade Court. Black Court."
"Jade Court?" I said. "I've never heard that there was such a thing."
"Southeast Asia, China, Japan. Very secretive. But they respect the Accords."
"Have you dueled any of the Denarians?"
He frowned out the window. "Twice. But they do not honor agreements. Treachery both times."
I thought that over for a while before I said, "I'm going for energy. If he won't take it, we'll do will."

Jim Butcher Reddit AMA said:
The exception to that is the Jade Court, who rarely act outside of the Yangtze river valley. Everyone knows that they exist. No one is quite sure where. They do not respond to invitations or offer any of their own. They never deal directly with outsiders, but move through allies and agents. They are not signatories of the Accords, but everyone speaks of and treats them as if they are, because some fairly horrible things have happened to people, over the centuries, who showed too much disrespect.

The mosquito type vamps though operate mainly in SE Asia, mostly in SK, Thailand, that region. They're thugs, a branch of the Tongs, running drugs and human slaves through the local seas and sometimes hiring out as assassins.

powergoat said:
By the by, some quick math and assuming 90% of the population is within the city's, at 900 million per city, the population density is over 10 times higher then any city on earth- not an over pop problem with futuristic architecture ofc, but I wouldn't even want to imaging what it would be like at 50bil instead of 5bil

Not really an issue.

Paris is the 30th densest city in the world, and has a population density of 52,000 people/sq miles despite its buildings being mostly below five storeys. Using that population density?
That would put 900 million people in 17,307 sq miles. A circle with a radius of 74 miles.

For perspective, thats maybe 45% bigger than the US state of Maryland. Or roughly the European countries of Estonia or Denmark.

If we used the world's densest city of Manila, which is 111,000 people/sq mile as a benchmark?
That would put 900 million people in 8100 sq miles. A circle with a radius of 50.8 miles.
Roughly the size of Slovenia, or 2x Rhode Islands.

People dont need that much space.

Fouredged Sword said:
My impression is that the cities are far more vertical than Earth cities. They are built in the habitable zone of giant spires. It would make sense they go up rather than out, especially because with technology I bet you can build pretty far into the uninhabitable areas so long as comfort is not a major concern, so good for industry and such. You can't build out without literally building more "ground" so to speak.

See above.
Note that both Paris and Manila are not cities with significant vertical growth.
If there's significant vertical growth here, you're going to be cramming a ton more shit in.

Fouredged Sword said:
But do note that these cities are going to include a lot of physical infrastructure ours simply don't. They include ALL agricultural space. Sure vertical farming saves a ton of space per output, but we currently put all that space outside our cities. The 5 cities don't have that luxury. They need to account for all food production within the city.

These are questions people have put thought into.

How many people can you feed per square-kilometer of farmland?

Questions about how to feed a large population keep popping up on this website quite frequently. One obvious option is farming. But how many people can you feed per square-kilometer of farmland?

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Intensive Potato Farming said:
Conventional Farming
According to this source, the highest caloric density food is sweet potatoes, which provide 70,000 kcal/ha/day. (with potatoes providing 54,000 which is roughly in line with what ArtOfCode calculated.) This involves fairly intensive farming, so we'll need to let the land lie fallow for about a third of the time, reducing our long-term average to around 47,000 kcal/ha/day for our most dense food crop (in terms of kcal.ha/day). This is achievable with fairly primitive technology. This corresponds to 4,700,000 kcal/km2/day, which can feed 2350 people on a 2000 kcal/day diet of pure sweet potatoes.

Hydroponics
Now let's see how we can increase that yield. The first thing we can do is to employ hydroponics. According to this source, hydroponics will increase our raw yield by around 280%. In addition, we won't have to let our fields lie fallow, since we no longer have any soil that we're growing plants in. This increases our base of 70,000 kcal/ha/day to 266,000 kcal/ha/day, which will feed 13,300 people per square kilometer.

Aeroponics
Currently, individuals are researching an even better way of growing crops: aeroponics. In an aeroponic farm, nutrient rich water is vaporized to form a mist that is then sprayed onto the roots of crops. This source found that, with the correct nutrient solutions, they were able to increase yield over conventional hydroponics by between 50% and 270%. Assuming that, with further refinement, the upper end of this can be realized, we should be able to increase our sweet potatoes to 98,420,000 kcal/km2/day, which can feed a total of 49,210 people on a 2000 kcal/day diet of sweet potatoes.

What else could we do to increase this?
So far, all of this has been constrained by sunlight: we can only grow one layer of crops if our crops get energy from the sun. Of course, if we can fire up a fusion generator to illuminate our crops with artificial, light, we can stack layers of crops on top of each other. In this case, a better measure might be kcal/km3/day. A sweet potato is about a meter tall, so we can grow 1000 layers of them in a 1km3 densely packed fusion powered green house. Our cube, using aeroponics, would produce 98,420,000,000 kcal/km3/day and could feed a population of 49,210,000 people. Genetic engineering might be able to increase this even further, but this is about the right order of magnitude.

You'd be surprised at how much you can get done if you're using all the volume.

firefrog600 said:
I personally still have no fucking clue how sorcery works do we not have to buy individual spells, is that a separate option, is it at all worth it when we have charms with limited exp?

You buy Ancient Sorcery spells. 10xp per spell.

firefrog600 said:
I mean I chose throne because logically searching for medical attention in a hell palace that we've teleported into with it being the size of basically a city isn't smart. If we are on the throne and this place has cameras and sensors everywhere someone should be heading here right now. Someone who will likely listen to their queen. Its not even that big a logical leap right now.

Frankly, a place this size would have onsite medical facilities and we know there is a sapient security system.
We would ask.

This is still Molly. Her characterization thus far is not going to prioritize personal aggrandizement or protocol over her friend's wellbeing. You might make an argument for her looking at screens first.
Not for her going for a coronation before seeking help for her friends.

firefrog600 · Aug 11, 2023

Dmol8 said:
My plan votes literally speak for themselves on that.

Oh yeah your voting for the same thing as me.

powergoat · Aug 11, 2023

[x] Ascend the Throne, he's right you can handle the rest of this later, but if people are waiting, if people are watching they should see a ruler, not a confused girl

uju32 · Aug 11, 2023

Earth-Destroyer said:
No GM alive would ever allow zero cost effects. Also the DC reduction is not that great for most paths even Molly clones will rock a -4 dc, given any setup time. Now the reduced cost would probably be very good for Molly clones, with their pure mortal pool to cast from.

1)This is all untrue.
Molly is rocking multiple zero cost effects right now; its almost as if you missed all the Demon Aspects she paid for.
And Path Sorcery explicitly allows a master sorcerer to cast lower-power effects for free IIRC.

2) Given setup time.
Nobody is giving you setup time to use Hellfire in combat. And even Warding/Binding a spirit in real time is not the sort of thing you can take your leisure doing. Or Divination on the move for that matter.

firefrog600 · Aug 11, 2023

powergoat said:
I am actually very slightly concerned about our friends getting medical attention in our realm. Remember, the doctors of this place don't learn how to keep people alive for the most part, just keep them comfortable and occasionally kill people in such a way as they will pop back without the maledy. It probably won't happen here, but it's something to keep in mind.

Also, Yog, what is the in story explanation for the Musroom folk? Humans are humans, spiders and dragons are patterns spiders and dragon kings, and we have been jiving with machine spirits already, but mushrooms seem to just be… a thing?

No thats very wrong not only do they know how to repair the body, they know about genetics, have biomods, have cybernetics, that requires indepth study of these things. Also pain still exists they've learned about healing if for nothing else than that they don't have a cure for old age you've gotta die of it to get over old age, or diseases, or maiming's and surviving the god damn environment full of giant monstrosities.

uju32 said:
Marcone's accession was signed by Harry, Lara and Odin representing the White Council, White Court and Monoc.

Spirits were part of the problem in Exalted in the Second Age.
Too many spirits claiming jurisdiction for every little thing and wanting to be consulted and paid off for every fucking little thing.

Can you imagine having to seek permission to repaint your house from a series of gods that claim jurisdiction
You very much do not want to replicate that problem in this setting.

Individually.

Gonna note that the Jade Court is not a signatory of the Accords, but follow them according to Shiro.
And that people treat them like they are, because not doing so generally ends very badly for the person

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Not really an issue.

Paris is the 30th densest city in the world, and has a population density of 52,000 people/sq miles despite its buildings being mostly below five storeys. Using that population density?
That would put 900 million people in 17,307 sq miles. A circle with a radius of 74 miles.

For perspective, thats maybe 45% bigger than the US state of Maryland. Or roughly the European countries of Estonia or Denmark.

If we used the world's densest city of Manila, which is 111,000 people/sq mile as a benchmark?
That would put 900 million people in 8100 sq miles. A circle with a radius of 50.8 miles.
Roughly the size of Slovenia, or 2x Rhode Islands.

People dont need that much space.

See above.
Note that both Paris and Manila are not cities with significant vertical growth.
If there's significant vertical growth here, you're going to be cramming a ton more shit in.

These are questions people have put thought into.

How many people can you feed per square-kilometer of farmland?

Questions about how to feed a large population keep popping up on this website quite frequently. One obvious option is farming. But how many people can you feed per square-kilometer of farmland?

worldbuilding.stackexchange.com

You'd be surprised at how much you can get done if you're using all the volume.

You buy Ancient Sorcery spells. 10xp per spell.

Frankly, a place this size would have onsite medical facilities and we know there is a sapient security system.
We would ask.

This is still Molly. Her characterization thus far is not going to prioritize personal aggrandizement or protocol over her friend's wellbeing. You might make an argument for her looking at screens first.
Not for her going for a coronation before seeking help for her friends.

She can ask on the fucking throne currently we've teleported into the center of government and arguably the most holy site in the entirety of the palace. Did you seriously think I was insinuating the palace doesn't have medical staff on it? Because thats fucking insulting.

A_Somebody · Aug 11, 2023

DragonParadox said:
The woolly porcupine is detailed here by @Yog, they are both very cute and an interesting concept as they encourage farmers to use humane methods of raising them. Since everything in this world is somehow based on Molly's personality and thoughts one can think of these not-so-little guys as her impulse against factory farming,

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING. @Yog You goddamn genius. AHHifshsd

firefrog600 · Aug 11, 2023

The end result of asking the nearest person to help us find the medical staff and quarters in the small city sized palace is literally the same as sitting on the throne and waiting for people here and then asking the same thing. Just in one they don't know we are the empress and the other they do. I mean best case scenario they think we're the empress in the first option, second best their friendly to the intruder whose invaded the hell palace, worst case they attack. I'm guessing it'd be more of the second option and just waste our time.

BronzeTongue · Aug 11, 2023

Fouredged Sword said:
Spines are an adaptation to avoid being swallowed by a larger creature.

If there are giant porcupines... what is eating them?

Go read @Yog 's flora and fauna post, it's got some amazing world building in it.

At a guess, these would probably consider them delicious:

Yog said:
The undisputed kings and queens of the equator, benehemoth walkers, or simply behemoths are a class of titanic animals that seems to be distantly related to gurvels. Reaching in height up to seven meters, and in length up to thirty, they are walking fortresses often covered in either thick metal plating growth or crystalline scale, they do not usually possess exotic biothaumaturgical adaptations – they simply don't need them, as their might is enough. They exist in a number of shapes – with and without wings, horned ad hornless, with limbs numbering from two to five

Dmol8 said:
Your argument makes quite a few assumptions. Let me clarify my problem with the vote:

- Izzy and Alec are the reason we got the Kingdom Charm now. It is really weird at best and actually callous to just ignore them in favor of continuing the plot of getting the Kingdom Charm.

- If these people living in Molly's soul would be insulted by Molly helping her friends then they are not worth dealing with.

- Molly actually keeping her behavior more humane is going to go a long way to making at least Dresden feel like she didn't just get twisted around from the Kingdom Charm going live.

You're the one projecting inhumanity into this. We know they're safe and stable and that we just set off a highly significant and complicated event. Riding out the rough patch of the situation that isn't stable so that we can handle both properly just makes sense.

Screaming for a doctor to arrive for people who are not hurt and dismissing the significance of what this entire place is for to the people living in accomplishes nothing of value for anyone.

Doing things your way will probably result in the following:

1) Security shows up
2) Confusion and arguing
3) Eventually some assistance
4) Surprise, they're physically fine and the magical sleep isn't something tampering more will really make better. Because mind magic
5) We work out everything identity wise after ignoring the culmination of thousands of years of religious devotion.

Or some close permutation thereof.

I don't think they'll get nasty with us over it, but it's still disrespectful to their everything and counterproductive.

This is basically the holiest day there civilization has ever had. We can get away with not caring about that because Molly is the focus of it, but that doesn't mean we should.

Alternatively:

1) Sit on Throne and have our King Arthur moment
2) Everyone available shows up to meet their god empress
3) We introduced ourselves and attempt to match up to what they've been waiting so long for
3a) At this point some basic requests can be slipped in. Like medical care
4) The best and brightest immediately jump to take care of our friends.
5) Surprise, they're physically fine and the magical sleep isn't something tampering more will really make better. Because mind magic.

I'd bet folding money on this being faster on top of being appropriately considerate of all the people involved.

DragonParadox · Aug 11, 2023

firefrog600 said:
The end result of asking the nearest person to help us find the medical staff and quarters in the small city sized palace is literally the same as sitting on the throne and waiting for people here and then asking the same thing. Just in one they don't know we are the empress and the other they do. I mean best case scenario they think we're the empress in the first option, second best their friendly to the intruder whose invaded the hell, worst case they attack. I'm guessing it'd be more of the second option and just waste our time.

It would not be asking the first person, Molly is not an idiot, she would pull down a screen, just not to look for information. Instead she would contact security and ask for medical evac stat throwing a social Excellency into it, in this case leadership.

uju32 · Aug 11, 2023

BronzeTongue said:
Pocket Idaho splendors.

Can I get a link for this?
Please?

BronzeTongue said:
Supernatural powers have their foundations in different places, wizards don't work the same as vamps who don't work the same as fey.

Winter is an example of a power for which this is a relevant factor. Winter being a nation of hundreds of millions is how they manage to hold the position they do.

Winter being a nation of hundreds of millions of people and entities to hold their position =/= Winter being a nation of hundreds of millions of square kilometers. Its the people and power they have access to that make. Not the amount of area they control. Most of Faerie is unclaimed even now, even though the Courts claim jurisiction.

Well, that and the travel paths they claim control over through Faerie.

firefrog600 said:
She can ask on the fucking throne currently we've teleported into the center of government and arguably the most holy site in the entirety of the palace.

I've dealt with bureaucracies before, enough to not be that charitable.
Call 911 before doing coronation forms.

BronzeTongue said:
You're the one projecting inhumanity into this. We know they're safe and stable and that we just set off a highly significant and complicated event. Riding out the rough patch of the situation that isn't stable so that we can handle both properly just makes sense.

We dont, actually. Medicine 0, remember?
I would assume that we would be able to notice any magic surprises left behind, but we havent actually spent any time on them yet.
Get some medical experts and send them off.

THEN you can face this shit.

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