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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[X] Feign agreement and prepare to attack as soon as Izzy and Alec are out of the van
-[X] Get your Jade Dogs (including the new one, the Skavis-Guard)
-[X] Ask Harry if he has ways to even the numbers as well, like the Alphas and Mouse
-[X] Suite of buffs yet to be decided, but you think you can propably drag Izzy and Alec away from him with MHM and then have Micheal guard them from physical harm or curses
 
Ah. So Broken Seeker does see a kinship, one that he values. It's in the form of creepy flirting but even fear monster gods want something of an equal to play with.

When the update went into the "flirting" phase I was legit scared "Even if you dodge the wizards' till their blood is dust I will remember the insult if nothing else," would make him go "kiinkkky, gonna give their mutilated corpses as part of our foreplay kthanksbye"
 
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DragonParadox said:
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More Intimidation vs Willpower (Extended roll)
Reading Broken Seeker vs Manipulation+Subterfuge... yep he is flirting
Lying vs Willpower -> You get under his skin
Final Push vs... he has to use Perception+Empathy and he does not have Empathy (Extended roll ends)
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In conclusion, Broken Seeker really should avoid social combat unless it's something he's particularly good at, like intimidating folks or using his limited intellectus in lieu of Empathy to dig for emotional weaknesses.
 
Sixteen successes against it. Wow

[X] In for the penny in for the pound, explicitly offer to help deal with Arianna Ortega in exchange for not hurting your friends

Can always kill it later, but we can follow this things trail to lots of interesting Crown questions.
 
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Goldfish said:
Wow, @DragonParadox, this chapter was amazing. It just went so weird and creepy, and I wasn't expecting that at all. Good stuff, dude.


:lol::rofl::lol::rofl:
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Molly was talking to a protean monstrosity that eats flesh and minds with a supernatural insight on how to cause maximal amounts of pain. Just trying to get my head around how something like that would make value judgements was a trip, never mind how it would react to Molly and what she has been getting up to.

Glad it seems to have come across properly.
 
uju32 said:
Eclipse Phase's Titan Commonwealth forms a good chunk of my model so far.
Assuming I can finish in time.
But I dont think we have to model shit in that much detail.
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Goldfish said:
It will truly be a Hell, like the Federation in Star Trek, where money has no value and people work for fun... :eek2:
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Yeah, there's a reason I stayed away from economic details and gritty political details. Too much controversy, too close to reality not to spark bad feelings. If you model history from stone age with a world where everyone lives forever, essentially, or at least an indeterminately long time, but with interruptions... You get alien societies, with way too many variants of how things can get handled.
 
[X] In for the penny in for the pound, explicitly offer to help deal with Arianna Ortega in exchange for not hurting your friends

Reasons:
1) Objectively, in the global scheme of things Red Court is far more of a danger, and Arianna Ortega is more important politically than a single naagloshii
2) Eliminating Arianna benefits us more than eliminating Broken Seeker
3) Chance for redemption. Broken Seeker sucks in social combat, as has been just demonstrated. Reforming it, or at least setting it on the path of reformation, might work
4) Opportunity. Nothing says we can't eliminate both, with Arianna first and Broken Seeker second.
 
Yog said:
1) Objectively, in the global scheme of things Red Court is far more of a danger, and Arianna Ortega is more important politically than a single naagloshii
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Arianna Ortega is just one vamp.
She'll cause damage, but sooner or later she'll get killed either by her enemies, or her rivals, or her subordinates.
Or just in the fall of the Red Court in general.
There's a limited lifespan to her evil, despite her theoretical immortality.
Her kind of person makes her death a good thing for too many people to really enjoy the longest run.

Meanwhile the Naagloshii will hunt, torture and kill people for a very long time to come, and if he doesn't anger an Exalt, Mab or someone capable of commanding Demonreach while doing so, he will continue indefinitly.

So I think all in all Seeker will cause more harm than Arianna will ever have a chance to cause.

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2) Eliminating Arianna benefits us more than eliminating Broken Seeker
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Propably true.
All Broken Seeker has going for him is that an old demigod is good crafting-mats.

Yog said:
3) Chance for redemption. Broken Seeker sucks in social combat, as has been just demonstrated. Reforming it, or at least setting it on the path of reformation, might work
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Not worth it.
Ancient monster, had his chance.
Only reason he's less bad than Nicodemus is because Seeker never had large ambitions to mass-murder for, so he staid a regular serial-murderer.

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4) Opportunity. Nothing says we can't eliminate both, with Arianna first and Broken Seeker second.
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Maybe, but that's a risky game.
Neither of those is stupid, even if they can't contest us in direct socials.

Ultimatly Arianna is someone we can take even without a Naagloshii as help, we don't need this deal.
 
Also, I can't help but equate this:
DragonParadox said:
A sort of deep resonant hum comes over the phone, a sound you do not think the humanoid voice-box could ever make and only then does it occur to you that Broken Seeker might see shame and madness though a lens as skewed as he does treachery. He is flirting with you, the nightmare-demon to the Navajo, false idol to broken madmen is flirting with you over the phone.
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with this...

 
The problem with Broken Seeker, well the first problem, is that though Molly is skilled enough to lead him around with social rolls she no idea how to parley that into making him... less crazy nevermind redeemed. It is like looking at a knot so complex you can only vaguely theorize the existence of unknotted rope.
 
Artemis1992 said:
[X] Feign agreement and prepare to attack as soon as Izzy and Alec are out of the van
-[X] Get your Jade Dogs (including the new one, the Skavis-Guard)
-[X] Ask Harry if he has ways to even the numbers as well, like the Alphas and Mouse
-[X] Suite of buffs yet to be decided, but you think you can propably drag Izzy and Alec away from him with MHM and then have Micheal guard them from physical harm or curses
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Why? We don't need to betray him to get what we want. It sounds like he's doing it anyway and the "payment" is to both settle an imagined debt and get information we don't actually need anymore.

We also want his boss dead anyway. Sounds to me like with the power of Exact Phrasing we could promise nothing but what we're planning to do anyway and get all that we wanted here.

we could also offer payment in the form of a secret unrelated to this if we've got an idea for a juicy one. The crown is a thing and we have more foci to use, we just need something we can hide as knowledge dug up from our unknown amount of hypothetical background research if we go that route.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Arianna Ortega is just one vamp.
She'll cause damage, but sooner or later she'll get killed either by her enemies, or her rivals, or her subordinates.
Or just in the fall of the Red Court in general.
There's a limited lifespan to her evil, despite her theoretical immortality.
Her kind of person makes her death a good thing for too many people to really enjoy the longest run.

Meanwhile the Naagloshii will hunt, torture and kill people for a very long time to come, and if he doesn't anger an Exalt, Mab or someone capable of commanding Demonreach while doing so, he will continue indefinitly.

So I think all in all Seeker will cause more harm than Arianna will ever have a chance to cause.
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Arianna Ortega is heir to the Red King, an entity that slew a pantheon of gods and led his children to eat them, and has dominated a continent for four thousand years and is leader of a major supernatural power.

One vampire can be a big deal.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Why? We don't need to betray him to get what we want. It sounds like he's doing it anyway and the "payment" is to both settle an imagined debt and get information we don't actually need anymore.

We also want his boss dead anyway. Sounds to me like with the power of Exact Phrasing we could promise nothing but what we're planning to do anyway and get all that we wanted here.

we could also offer payment in the form of a secret unrelated to this if we've got an idea for a juicy one. The crown is a thing and we have more foci to use, we just need something we can hide as knowledge dug up from our unknown amount of hypothetical background research if we go that route.
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I want him dead.
The world would be better off if he's dead.
Everyone in this city would be safer if he's dead.
 
One thing to keep in mind also is that you are not alone here, if you want to try to ally with the ancient god-monster you will have to come up with some reason for what you are doing as well as present a plan for what you want out of the whole thing. On the plus side Michael is generally pro-redemption, even if he does not generally think things like Broken Seeker can be redeemed. On the... minus side Harry just spend months learning about how awful Skinwalkers are.
 
Regardless of the variant we choose, can we include something (Crown questions, Harry's Sight) to check Molly's friends for traps, delayed curses, something to be activated if Molly betrays the monster?

Unfortunately, he doubts Molly's integrity now, I presume.
 
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On Compound Interest and Immortality:

I always found the idea that immortals automatically figure out how to keep their money utterly unrealistic. Most ordinary people don't know how to keep money and in most moneyed people that skill has been instilled at a young age so why would a poor immortal become rich just because they lived for a century or two?
 
Dmol8 said:
On Compound Interest and Immortality:

I always found the idea that immortals automatically figure out how to keep their money utterly unrealistic. Most ordinary people don't know how to keep money and in most moneyed people that skill has been instilled at a young age so why would a poor immortal become rich just because they lived for a century or two?
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They could learn the tricks from other long-living beings.
Wizards have an apprentice-system, why wouldn't the master teach some mundane practicalities as well as the high arts?
And for the Vamps it runs in families, be they biological or via siring mortals.
 
Artemis1992 said:
They could learn the tricks from other long-living beings.
Wizards have an apprentice-system, why wouldn't the master teach some mundane practicalities as well as the high arts?
And for the Vamps it runs in families, be they biological or via siring mortals.modest life
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Also vampires are predatory beings all of which have some kind of mind magic. If one of them really wants some seed capital they can get it from their last victim.

That said I have presented some immortals without great wealth in this quest already. Remember those shen? They seem to be living a pretty in spite of the fact that they have been in Chicago for decades and alive for who knows how long. I think that most of the wealth of supenatural beings comes from more than just being long-lived though that does help them keep it
 
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