Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Think we could play circle games here?

Containment on short notice is a bust, but a powerful one tuned to magic popping up while they're driving would hit like a brick wall for everyone but the proper mortals until it got burst.
No.
It works magic just fine, and is able to put up circles in seconds that can break soulfire-augmented spells.
I dont think either Molly or Dresden would succeed in a contest of magic with him as they currently stand.

Almost every enemy we met so far soaks bashing better than aggravated.
Thats only been true for bosses.
If you'd argued this for bosses alone, I'd have no objections. But when you are making the assertion more broadly[the vast majority of targets], I kinda have to demur because we havent seen enough of the denizens of this setting.

And bringing it back to this scenario, its worth recalling that we see Shagnasty in canon fall out of the sky, take bashing damage and be stunned doing so:
Injun Joe vs Shagnasty said:
I heard the raven's wings beat overhead as it circled cautiously, looking for its enemy—and then was struck from behind by the falcon's claws. I watched in horror as the hooked beak descended to rip at the captured raven—and met the spiny, rock-hard back of a snapping turtle. A leathery head twisted and jaws that could cut through medium-gauge wire clamped onto the naagloshii-falcon's leg, and it let out another alien shriek of pain as the two went plummeting to the earth together.
But in the last few feet, the turtle shimmered into the form of a flying squirrel, limbs extended wide, and it converted some of its falling momentum into forward motion, dropping to a roll as it hit the ground. The falcon wasn't so skilled. It began to change into something else, but struck the stony earth heavily before it could finish resolving into a new form.
The squirrel whirled, bounded, and became a mountain lion in midleap, landing on the stunned, confused mass of feathers and fur that was the naagloshii. Fangs and claws tore, and black blood stained the ground to the sound of more horrible shrieks. The naagloshii coalesced into an eerie shape, four legs and batlike wings, with eyes and mouths everywhere. All the mouths were screaming, in half a dozen different voices, and it managed to tear its way free of the mountain lion's grip and go flapping and tumbling awkwardly across the ground. It staggered wildly and began to leap clumsily into the air, bat wings beating. It looked like an albatross without enough headwind, and the mountain lion was hard on its heels the whole way, claws lashing out to tear and rake.
The naagloshii disappeared into the darkness, its howls drifting up in its wake as it fled. It continued to scream in pain, almost sobbing, as it rushed down the slope toward the lake. Demonreach followed its departure with a surly sense of satisfaction, and I couldn't say that I blamed it.
Whatever else we're looking at, it doesnt regen, or ignore bashing damage.

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Anyway, its worth keeping in mind that there is a good chance that we wont kill this guy
But once more, its shape turned liquid—and suddenly a hawk with a wingspan longer than my car tore into the air, reptilian yellow eyes glaring. It soared aloft, its wings beating twice, and vanished into the night sky.
I stared after that for a second. Then I said, "Oh, crap."
I looked around in the wildly dancing light of my amulet, and rushed toward Andi. She was unconscious, her body reverted to its human form—that of a redhead with a killer figure. One entire side of her body was a swelling purple bruise. She had a broken arm, shoulder, ribs, and her face was so horribly damaged that I had to worry about her skull as well. She was breathing, barely.
The shapeshifter had been strong.
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Her teeth were bared in pain, but she nodded and grasped at the improvised pad with both hands as I helped her up.
Lara looked from Justine to the window, her eyes a little wide. "Empty night," she said again. "I've never seen anything that fast."
Given that I had once seen her cover ground in a dead sprint at maybe fifty miles an hour, I figured she knew what she was talking about. We were never going to get that thing to hold still long enough to kill it.

I went to the window, hoping to spot it, and found myself staring into an oncoming comet of purple flame, presumably courtesy of the skinwalker. I fell back, hurling my left arm and its shield bracelet in an instinctive gesture, and the fiery hammer of the explosion flung me supine to the floor.

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But Injun Joe wasn't done yet, either. The bear lifted itself into a ponderous leap, and came down to earth again as a coyote, lean and swift, that raced after the ferret nimbly, fangs bright. It rushed after the fleeing ferret—which suddenly turned, jaws opening wide, and then wider, and wider, until an alligator coated in sparse tufts of yellow fur turned to meet the onrushing canine, which found itself too close to turn aside.
The canine form melted as it shot toward the alligator's maw, and a dark-winged raven swept into the jaws and out the far side as they snapped shut. The raven turned its head and let out mocking caws of laughter as it flew away, circling around the clearing.
The alligator shuddered all over, and became a falcon, golden and swift, its head marked by tufts of yellowish fur that almost looked like the naagloshii's ears had in its near-human form. It hurtled forward with supernatural speed, vanishing behind a veil as it flew.

Between our need to rescue hostages and to avoid collateral, it having supernatural speed beyond even the already bullshit speeds of the animal forms it has access to, and its access to Senior Council-tier magic, which includes bullshit like teleportation, Im thinking there's a good chance that he makes it away. Even if his minions dont.

So its worth planning with that in mind.
 
[X] Usum's plan, get line of sight on the van, put a spirit in it and make it stop working to get them off their loop
 
Think we could play circle games here?

Containment on short notice is a bust, but a powerful one tuned to magic popping up while they're driving would hit like a brick wall for everyone but the proper mortals until it got burst.
Specific citation:
Dresden vs Shagnasty said:
I didn't have the breath to scream, but I could snarl. "And this," I spat, "is for Kirby, you son of a bitch." I unleashed my will and screamed, "Laqueus!"
A cord of pure force, glittering and flashing with soulfire, leapt out at the skinwalker. It attempted to deflect it, but it clearly hadn't been expecting me to turbocharge the spell. The naagloshii's defenses barely slowed it, and the cord whipped three times around its throat and tightened savagely.
The skinwalker's charge faltered and it staggered to one side, its veil falling to shreds by degrees. It started shifting form wildly, struggling to get loose of the supernatural garrote—and failing. The edges of my vision were blurry and darkening, but I kept my will on him, drawing the noose tighter and tighter.
It kicked and struggled wildly—and then changed tactics. It rolled up to a desperate crouch, extended a single talon, and swept it around in a circle, carving a furrow into the rock. It touched the circle with its will, and I felt it when the simple magical construct sprang up and cut off the noose spell from its source of power: me. The silver cord shimmered and vanished.

I lay there on the ground, barely able to lift my head. I looked toward the cottage and the safety it represented, standing only forty feet away. It might as well have been forty miles.
The naagloshii ran its talons along the fur at its throat and made a satisfied, growling noise. Then its eyes moved to me. Its mouth spread into a carnivorous smile. Then it stepped out of the circle and began to stalk nearer.
One bloody and spectacular mess, coming up.
This thing knows more magical lore than most Senior Council members.
AND its a full-fledged wizard to boot, not just restricted to Path magic like Exalts are.
It appears unwise to attempt to dispute it in that particular field of expertise.

Not when lives are on the line.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Aug 4, 2023 at 12:02 PM, finished with 124 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Usum's plan, get line of sight on the van, put a spirit in it and make it stop working to get them off their loop
    [X] Answer the phone the next time it calls, get some answers as to what Broken Seeker wants before engaging, maybe you can shake him up
    -[X]Give Harry some of your hair to track you, just in case
    -[X]Have Clippy pull up a map of the local electrical substations for Chicago, find the one for the local district, fly over and HMP a key transformer: 1m
    [X] Usum's plan, get line of sight on the van, put a spirit in it and make it stop working to get them off their loop
    -[X] Use Harry's veil as a crown focus for a question "How can this be improved to hide magical emanations from the senses of a naagloshii known as Broken Seeker"
    --[X] Use Occult Excellency to better explain the results to Harry
    -[X] If Crown data doesn't give us essence, ask Harry or dad to share whatever arcane secret they can to do so.
    [X] Usum's plan, get line of sight on the van, put a spirit in it and make it stop working to get them off their loop
    -[X] Use Harry's veil as a crown focus for a question "How can this be improved to hide magical emanations from the senses of a naagloshii known as Broken Seeker"
    --[X] Use Occult Excellency to better explain the results to Harry
 
Thats only been true for bosses.
If you'd argued this for bosses alone, I'd have no objections. But when you are making the assertion more broadly[the vast majority of targets], I kinda have to demur because we havent seen enough of the denizens of this setting.
I'd argue that for WoD in general.
Everything soaks Bashing with full Stamina, plus any enhancements that might apply.

Only very few things can soak aggravated damage as well as they soak bashing.
I can only think of Exalted, Spirits in the spirit-world (who make no difference between soak-types, if I remember correctly) and some legendary things from Gods and Monsters.
Everything else is weaker against aggravated, all vampires, werewolves, mages, changelings, etc.
And since this world is mechanically build on WoD, it's extremly likely the same applies here.
And it does, for all Vampires and several other things we have seen and fought so far.
And bringing it back to this scenario, its worth recalling that we see Shagnasty in canon fall out of the sky, take bashing damage and be stunned doing so:

Whatever else we're looking at, it doesnt regen, or ignore bashing damage.
I don't deny that it can take bashing damage. I don't think anything can completly ignore that, though some high-end Kuei-Jin builds could propably soak immense amounts.
I still think it propably regenerates, if only because it never cared even about those few attacks that did leave marks on it, before facing Joseph.
Was there ever a mention of a burn or bullet-wound from that mansion-fight you posted still being on him in later scenes, or even in his next shape in the same scene?

From the text you provided, from what we know of it and from the mechanical basis of the Garou I have to assume regeneration is in play.
 
No.
It works magic just fine, and is able to put up circles in seconds that can break soulfire-augmented spells.
I dont think either Molly or Dresden would succeed in a contest of magic with him as they currently stand.
I was thinking more that with a half second of warning counterspelling something you can't see fro the back of a truck isn't exactly an easy thing.

The point would be to squish and disrupt his minions as much as anything.

I'm just not convinced we won't trigger contingencies regardless of what we do, so we should have multiple things cooking and/or hit in such a way that it's obvious next steps are disrupted.

Anything that gets it off route is probably going to get his minions spread out. Stuff that screws with that is worth considering.

Personally I still prefer using the crown to find leverage, so that we have tools other than violence to leverage against Broken Seeker. He's clearly prepared for that after all, and on an immediate term basis for whatever plan he's got cooking too.

If our call goes " stay out or the mortals die" what do we reply with other than trying to draw faster than he can?

Alternatively, if we get something juicy like a long term project of his we can threaten to leak on, a secret he's keeping, or hell just the names of his enemies we have room.

Now playing mail the finger has a cost; he hurts them to get our compliance and we email* another skinwalker how part of his personal wards work. Maybe the names of his material suppliers go to the white council, or we buy a drone strike on his favorite ritual site from the white court. It's be such a mess to clean up wouldn't it? Someone dies and we threaten to offer our services as a mercenary to someone we know wants him dead at significant discount**.

Not all at once obviously, but as layers of escalation to present threat profiles geared towards reducing leverage. He can still make good on his threats, but now there's an immediate price tag beyond our displeasure.

If the goal is to negotiate anything that's how we get the board balanced enough to play for it.


* Or what have you

** Alternatively we get dangerously personal; which isn't a great idea, but does have power. Nemesis' story in many parts isn't precisely dangerous to it, to name an example, but it is humiliating if known at large to the degree that it's peer groups learned.

Broken Seeker probably has a deep wound somewhere that made it become this thing, asking how many of its private trauma buttons it'd like smeared across the planet is one way to catch attention. Abiding personal hatred, but also attention.
 
*looks at votes*
Oh for the love of Christ, this is such a bad idea.
Please dont YOLO into a fight like this.
What would delaying give us, aside from more ammo for naagloshii? It doesn't want to fight us, yes. It wants power over us. It has intellectus in regards to torturing people. Psychological warfare should apply as the sub-topic.

Right now we have some small chance of having an element of surprise. I don't want to give it up.

Notably, no one, not even Michael, is suggesting to talk to it.
 
@DragonParadox

Could Harry and Molly carve a Circle into the road in a single round, with her Tools and his magic?

This might sound stupid, but if we created a circle fast enough that the driver couldn't dodge it, the van would drive into it and everyone except for the normal humans would either be magically weakened or physically stopped as if they'd run in a wall, only with the van driving on.

We can't prepare a circle, because it's too much traffic to draw it without blocking traffic and we couldn't guarantee that the monstervan would drive through it anyway, but if we are fast enough...
 
@DragonParadox

Could Harry and Molly carve a Circle into the road in a single round, with her Tools and his magic?

This might sound stupid, but if we created a circle fast enough that the driver couldn't dodge it, the van would drive into it and everyone except for the normal humans would either be magically weakened or physically stopped as if they'd run in a wall, only with the van driving on.

We can't prepare a circle, because it's too much traffic to draw it without blocking traffic and we couldn't guarantee that the monstervan would drive through it anyway, but if we are fast enough...

You could definitely carve a circle fast enough. As to if Harry could invest one, that would be an Arette roll for him.
 
[X] Plan Invisible Wall
-[X] Get in front of the Van under a Veil, then carve a circle and have Harry fill it with will and power within one round
-[X] Proceed according to the results, priority being the rescue of your friends, secondary the death of the Naagloshii

[X] Usum's plan, get line of sight on the van, put a spirit in it and make it stop working to get them off their loop

Voting the standard option too until I get some votes for looney-toons-crashing the Naagloshii in a wall that stops him from moving while the car he is in continues moving.
 
Molly is hella arguable. If it's opposed willpower roll, Molly has effective 11 willpower (because WHWH) and a DC reducer. If it's Intelligence + Occult, Molly has excellency.
Its a minor angel whose specialty was helping teach mortal magic users, and whose knowledge of the world and how the world's metaphysics works has been regularly updated for all those several thousand years that Usum was buried.
This is its purview.

Meanwhile Molly just Exalted six months ago, and is still catching up on what is even possible.
I mean, Molly literally just realized soulfire was a thing less than three days ago, and still doesnt know what it can do.

To use academic terms?
Molly is that genius second-year in an accelerated program who is on the fast track for a Nobel at 25.
This dude is the published veteran professor with fifty years teaching experience.

I don't deny that it can take bashing damage. I don't think anything can completly ignore that, though some high-end Kuei-Jin builds could propably soak immense amounts.

I still think it propably regenerates, if only because it never cared even about those few attacks that did leave marks on it, before facing Joseph. Was there ever a mention of a burn or bullet-wound from that mansion-fight you posted still being on him in later scenes, or even in his next shape in the same scene?

From the text you provided, from what we know of it and from the mechanical basis of the Garou I have to assume regeneration is in play.
Agree to disagree.
Its ability to ignore mortal bullets is entirely in line with some WoD abilities I recall(dont quote me), which is different from how it treats magic and magical attacks, which are things it actively defends against.

I was thinking more that with a half second of warning counterspelling something you can't see fro the back of a truck isn't exactly an easy thing.

The point would be to squish and disrupt his minions as much as anything.

I'm just not convinced we won't trigger contingencies regardless of what we do, so we should have multiple things cooking and/or hit in such a way that it's obvious next steps are disrupted.

Anything that gets it off route is probably going to get his minions spread out. Stuff that screws with that is worth considering.

Personally I still prefer using the crown to find leverage, so that we have tools other than violence to leverage against Broken Seeker. He's clearly prepared for that after all, and on an immediate term basis for whatever plan he's got cooking too.

If our call goes " stay out or the mortals die" what do we reply with other than trying to draw faster than he can?

Alternatively, if we get something juicy like a long term project of his we can threaten to leak on, a secret he's keeping, or hell just the names of his enemies we have room.

Now playing mail the finger has a cost; he hurts them to get our compliance and we email* another skinwalker how part of his personal wards work. Maybe the names of his material suppliers go to the white council, or we buy a drone strike on his favorite ritual site from the white court. It's be such a mess to clean up wouldn't it? Someone dies and we threaten to offer our services as a mercenary to someone we know wants him dead at significant discount**.

Not all at once obviously, but as layers of escalation to present threat profiles geared towards reducing leverage. He can still make good on his threats, but now there's an immediate price tag beyond our displeasure.

If the goal is to negotiate anything that's how we get the board balanced enough to play for it.


* Or what have you

** Alternatively we get dangerously personal; which isn't a great idea, but does have power. Nemesis' story in many parts isn't precisely dangerous to it, to name an example, but it is humiliating if known at large to the degree that it's peer groups learned.

Broken Seeker probably has a deep wound somewhere that made it become this thing, asking how many of its private trauma buttons it'd like smeared across the planet is one way to catch attention. Abiding personal hatred, but also attention.
1) I am skeptical about our ability to set up a stealthy magical construct in the path of something that literally used to help teach magic to mortals before recorded human history became a thing.
I doubt it would fool his minions, let alone him.

And critically, the vehicle driving over it breaks the circle anyway. So it would be wasted effort.
There's a very small list of things that physically cross a circle without breaking it; off my head, cats.
Vans do not qualify.


2)I do agree that we should be expecting layered contingencies.

Dude has been here for several months with more than a dozen minions; he cant have spent all that time chewing gum.
We already know that his minions ate two elephants and a vet at the local zoo, and thats just what we know.
Thats in part why we have to engage, and see what we can goad him into spilling.

Shagnasty's pride and contempt for mortal humanity is one of the few weaknesses that we saw he had in canon.

Might as well reconcile ourselves to the fact that at least one of Molly's friends is going to die soon.

I genuinely worry about people overestimating our ability just because we are a Celestial Exalt.
And Im getting tired of having to be the person urging caution.


Yeah. And I fear we as a playerbase wont calibrate our expectations until something like this happens.
Voting the standard option too until I get some votes for looney-toons-crashing the Naagloshii in a wall that stops him from moving while the car he is in continues moving.
That doesnt work. The van driving over the circle physically breaks it.

Furthermore, consider what it took to contain a loup garou back in Fool Moon.
And the naagloshii is in a much heavier weight class.
Its not Archive-class, but its still an Incarna-class entity.

Harry is not impeding this fucker with a scratchbuilt magic circle in the middle of the road.
 
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That doesnt work. The van driving over the circle physically breaks it.
Literally carved into the road, we have the tools for it.

Furthermore, consider what it took to contain a loup garou back in Fool Moon.
And the naagloshii is in a much heavier weight class.
Its not Archive-class, but its still an Incarna-class entity.

Harry is not impeding this fucker with a scratchbuilt magic circle in the middle of the road.
I have no doubt it wouldn't hold him or anything like that, but if he runs into it unprepared (because he's in the back of the van) it might still hit him.

And what's more important it would also hit all the other barely-mortal skinwalkers.

We don't need the circle to win the game for us, we just need it to give us a chance to pull out Izzy and Alex (was it Alex?) with MHM, after that is done we and our father and Harry can take on a coven of monsters and their demigod leader in a fair fight.
 
One point I think wasn't raised - Izzy and Alec are asleep. To put someone to sleep via magic one would need either need to transform them, or to invade their minds. If this was done by mortals, it would be damaging. If it was done by Broken Seeker himself? I doubt he cared enough to avoid damage.

Further, and this is an argument for Uju32's vote, we don't know what other magical effects they are under. Like a delayed curse to kill them when Broken Seeker dies.
 
One point I think wasn't raised - Izzy and Alec are asleep. To put someone to sleep via magic one would need either need to transform them, or to invade their minds. If this was done by mortals, it would be damaging. If it was done by Broken Seeker himself? I doubt he cared enough to avoid damage.

Further, and this is an argument for Uju32's vote, we don't know what other magical effects they are under. Like a delayed curse to kill them when Broken Seeker dies.
Even Harry can do a sleep spell and uses it against humans, there shouldn't be any serious damage.
 
What would delaying give us, aside from more ammo for naagloshii? It doesn't want to fight us, yes. It wants power over us. It has intellectus in regards to torturing people. Psychological warfare should apply as the sub-topic.

Right now we have some small chance of having an element of surprise. I don't want to give it up.

Notably, no one, not even Michael, is suggesting to talk to it.
We need to have a step two for your plan too.

Even if he buys a legitimate accident, why wouldn't Broken Seeker immediately deploy say half his goons to get ready to start mayhem?
1) I am skeptical about our ability to set up a stealthy magical construct in the path of something that literally used to help teach magic to mortals before recorded human history became a thing.
I doubt it would fool his minions, let alone him.

And critically, the vehicle driving over it breaks the circle anyway. So it would be wasted effort.
There's a very small list of things that physically cross a circle without breaking it; off my head, cats.
Vans do not qualify.
The trick on properly breaking a circle is will though.

Wind blowing over it and dirt laying across it make it weaker, but you have to knowingly deliberately break it to just shut it down. Same principle with the bumper of a car.

That's why the timing would matter.
 
Even Harry can do a sleep spell and uses it against humans, there shouldn't be any serious damage.
... I don't remember that. Could you give me a quote?

We need to have a step two for your plan too.

Even if he buys a legitimate accident, why wouldn't Broken Seeker immediately deploy say half his goons to get ready to start mayhem?
Nothing. And I don't think we have any way to stop them. Not enough preparation time. Not enough resources. Not enough allies or motes. Best I can think of is that we start murderblendering them as soon as the doors of the van are open and they have to concentrate on surviving
 
What would delaying give us, aside from more ammo for naagloshii? It doesn't want to fight us, yes. It wants power over us. It has intellectus in regards to torturing people. Psychological warfare should apply as the sub-topic.

Right now we have some small chance of having an element of surprise. I don't want to give it up.

Notably, no one, not even Michael, is suggesting to talk to it.
Information.
Information without risking triggering this fucker's paranoia. Especially as we dont know anything about what he can do IC.
Does he have any Charms? Any abilities like the Raksha had? Is he gonna gloat that he put curses on our friends?

This dude has spent several months preparing before taking action.
We can talk before we do so, and see what else we can figure out.
Literally carved into the road, we have the tools for it.


I have no doubt it wouldn't hold him or anything like that, but if he runs into it unprepared (because he's in the back of the van) it might still hit him.
And what's more important it would also hit all the other barely-mortal skinwalkers.

We don't need the circle to win the game for us, we just need it to give us a chance to pull out Izzy and Alex (was it Alex?) with MHM, after that is done we and our father and Harry can take on a coven of monsters and their demigod leader in a fair fight.
You arent getting it.
This is what the original Circle used to hold MacFinn as a loup garou looked like:
Murphy nodded, took the picture from me, and set it back on the dresser. "Follow," she said again and walked out. I stared after her. What was wrong with Murphy? Had the scene unsettled her so much? I shook my head, still stunned from what I had seen, from too many facts coming together all at once, slam-bang in my brain.
"Murph, wait," I said. "Stop a minute. What's going on?"
She didn't answer me, just shot me a glare over her shoulder and continued walking. I hurried to catch up with her.
We went down what looked like a servant's narrow spiral staircase, down into the basement. She led me to the back of a storage room and pushed open a heavy, steel door there that opened onto a small, stark chamber, all of concrete, with no other exits. In the center of the chamber was another three-ring summoning circle, but this one's symbols had been made from silver and set into the concrete of the floor. Short bars of what looked like a mixture of silver and obsidian were interspersed around the second circle, creating what would, if the circle was functional, be a very formidable barrier.
But the symbols had been marred, torn, broken. Several from the critical inner ring had been pried up from the floor and were simply missing. Some of the bars had been broken. The circle, as it was, was nonfunctional and worthless—but whole, it would have served to contain Harley MacFinn when he shifted into his beast form. The room was a prison he had created for himself, something to contain the fury of the beast inside of him.
But someone had intentionally marred the circle, made the prison useless.
This was what the replacement that Kim Delaney tried to make looked like, and the results:
There was no furniture inside the master bedroom—and it was huge, large enough to make you wince at how far you'd have to go to get to the bathroom in the middle of the night. There was no carpeting. There were no decorations on the walls. There was no glass in the huge, single-pane window, letting in the October wind. The full moon shone down through it like a picture in a frame.
What the room did have was blood. There was blood all over, scattered in droplets and splashed in spurts against one wall. The scarlet footprints of something like a large wolf led in a straight line toward the shattered window. In the center of the room were the remains of a greater circle of summoning, its three rings of symbols carefully wrought in white chalk upon the wooden floor, burning sticks of incense interspersed among the symbols of the second ring.
What was left of Kim Delaney lay naked and supine on the bloodstained floor a few feet from the circle. The expression of shock and surprise on her face wouldn't change until rigor set in. Her dark, once-glittering eyes stared up at the ceiling, and her lips were parted, as though in the middle of an apology.

A large, wheel-section of flesh beneath her chin was missing, and with it Kim's larynx and trachea. Bloody red meat was showing, the ragged ends of arteries and torn sections of muscle, and pale white bones gleamed at the bottom of the wound. Long rakes down her body had opened her like a Ziploc bag, leaving her covered in scarlet
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Something went «click» in my head. Someone threw some kind of switch that just turned off my emotions entirely and immersed me in a surreal haze. I couldn't be seeing this. It simply couldn't be real. It had to be some sort of game or hoax, in which the actors would start giggling in a few moments, unable to contain the mirth of their prank.
Its not just about symbols at that level.
Harry would under normal circumstances straight up refuse to do something like this.

And there's zero indication that the other skinwalkers have been changed enough to be impeded by a circle.
Whampires and ghouls all count as Creatures of Darkness.
None of them are impeded by circles.
One point I think wasn't raised - Izzy and Alec are asleep. To put someone to sleep via magic one would need either need to transform them, or to invade their minds. If this was done by mortals, it would be damaging. If it was done by Broken Seeker himself? I doubt he cared enough to avoid damage.

Further, and this is an argument for Uju32's vote, we don't know what other magical effects they are under. Like a delayed curse to kill them when Broken Seeker dies.
I actually forgot this completely.
Mr Death Curse himself has tried to kill two of his own minions upon their capture. If he doesnt value people he trained, he sure as fuck doesnt value our friends lives.

Good odds there's curses on our friends right now.
Like BronzeTongue said, layered contingencies.
 
The trick on properly breaking a circle is will though.
Wind blowing over it and dirt laying across it make it weaker, but you have to knowingly deliberately break it to just shut it down. Same principle with the bumper of a car.

That's why the timing would matter.
Activating it requires will.
Breaking it from the outside doesnt. To my recollection anyway.
The only thing I recall that crosses the boundaries of a circle without breaking it from the outside is a cat.
 
Remember people, if we fuck this up, it's not just Alec and Izzy who are at stake, but the hundreds if not thousands of people in the proximal area. If we bobble this at all, it's going to be one hell of a black mark on our reputation, and we may never live that down, depending on how much people blame us for fucking up.
Oh, and Harry and Michael too, though it's a little less likely that something bad would happen unless they say try to block an attack intended to kill us and get hit by it in the process, or get caught in an AoE effect that's meant to be able to take us down in our Shintai form, or what have you… so actually not all that unlikely.
 
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We need to have a step two for your plan too.

Even if he buys a legitimate accident, why wouldn't Broken Seeker immediately deploy say half his goons to get ready to start mayhem?

The trick on properly breaking a circle is will though.
Wind blowing over it and dirt laying across it make it weaker, but you have to knowingly deliberately break it to just shut it down. Same principle with the bumper of a car.

That's why the timing would matter.
Here's the quote I was thinking of that contradicts that. You're only partly correct; dust and wind weakens it, but big stuff breaks it outright. Citation:
CHANGES chapter 19 said:
I went to my lab and started cleaning off my summoning circle. I'd knocked a few things onto it in the course of sweeping up anything incriminating. The FBI or Rudolph had added a bit to the mess. I pushed everything away from the circle and then swept it thoroughly with a broom. When you use a circle as a part of ritual magic, its integrity is paramount. Any object that falls across it or breaks its plane would collapse the circle's energy. Dust and other small particles wouldn't collapse a circle, but they did degrade its efficiency.
After I was done sweeping, I got a new shop cloth and a bottle of cleaning alcohol and wiped it down as thoroughly as if I were planning to perform surgery upon it. It took me about twenty minutes.

You drive a car across it, it breaks.
 
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