Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Agree to disagree, I simply can't accept a position substantiated solely on the basis that Mab is too perfect for HC to be anything but a nearly unblockable hack to have worked on her.

Which is what your argument boils down to, we have no real evidence for any of your supporting claims.

Particularly since claiming that Mab and the winter courts are better than they are is a well known problem with Uju.

But my main issue with Uju's plan is simpler and I made it clear in my last post, and BronzeTongue did point it out too:

His plan makes our anima flare, right at the beginning of the event, when we want to ambush our ennemies, in the middle of them, before we even confirmed our targets with Laura.

There isn't any need for any other reasons why we shouldn't follow his plan, just that alone is a deal breaker, we are here with the express goal of infiltration, and last I checked, Molly wasn't a proponent to Malfean stealth
 
[X] Plan Under the Gun

Reducing to vote for only one of BronzeTongue's plans.

Also the discussion about Vito is getting a bit OOC?
Molly only knows he's a weird kinda oily-feeling Whampire and for now we can leave it at that.
 
[X] Plan Under the Gun

Reducing to vote for only one of BronzeTongue's plans.

Also the discussion about Vito is getting a bit OOC?
Molly only knows he's a weird kinda oily-feeling Whampire and for now we can leave it at that.

She does also know he is the Malvora heir for what that is worth. Also she has Urge of the Forbidden, that is why I have not been calling... well any amount of deep diving into anything OOC, if its weird and or creepy she has a low level desire to know what it is so she can steal it for herself :V
 
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For what it is worth I am updating this today, if it is still a tie this evening I'm rolling a 1d2 for it so anyone who does not want to leave the matter up to Lady Luck now is your chance to do so.
 
She does also know he is the Malvora heir for what that is worth. Also she has Urge of the Forbidden, that is why I have not been calling... well any amount of deep diving into anything OOC, if its weird and or creepy she has a low level desire to know what it is so she can steal it for herself :V
I don't think looking again is necessarily OOC, but the discussion about doing so or not has become very much about canon-feats, so that part is OOC.
 
[X] Plan Under the Gun

Just helping a little to make it less likely to be a three way tie.


Are you sure you want to vote for this plan? It will have us flare our anima during this update (it uses our fourth mote in a scene: One before for HC, two now for HC and Occult excellency, and one more for the Crown), which is a big indication that something is happening to the opposition, and we are right in the middle of enemy territory for the purpose of an assassination, we do not want to make our targets see that anything is wrong, or to give them informations about our feats.
 
Are you sure you want to vote for this plan? It will have us flare our anima during this update (it uses our fourth mote in a scene: One before for HC, two now for HC and Occult excellency, and one more for the Crown), which is a big indication that something is happening to the opposition, and we are right in the middle of enemy territory for the purpose of an assassination, we do not want to make our targets see that anything is wrong, or to give them informations about our feats.
HC is scene long, so using it again won't actually make us flare right this instant.

That said, we'd basically be out of essence for the social portion of the night unless we have an excuse to flare. Even with one I'd be reluctant to do so, primarily based on the theory @uju32 brought up.

If Vittorio only bothered us to get an eyeful of Molly's exaltation via supernatural senses then flaring while he's in the room and the environment is calm might just be feeding him data.

He's not the only one who has the sort of capability either.

I don't want to get too paranoid, and to a certain extent it's inevitable that basic observational data will get out, but I'd be lying if I said the idea of flaunting our stuff in front of people who might have prepared the supernatural equivalent of creeper cams in advance specifically to dissect our nature doesn't make me nervous.
 
Spoiler'd for length reasons. I don't recall off hand if that stops quotes from pinging people, so @uju32 here's my reply to your posts.
A little busy right now, but I'll hopefully get back to this later today.

Particularly since claiming that Mab and the winter courts are better than they are is a well known problem with Uju.

But my main issue with Uju's plan is simpler and I made it clear in my last post, and BronzeTongue did point it out too:
His plan makes our anima flare, right at the beginning of the event, when we want to ambush our ennemies, in the middle of them, before we even confirmed our targets with Laura.

There isn't any need for any other reasons why we shouldn't follow his plan, just that alone is a deal breaker, we are here with the express goal of infiltration, and last I checked, Molly wasn't a proponent to Malfean stealth
This isnt accurate.
As you'll notice if you look at my plan, I include a tracker for the amount of Essence spent in the scene thus far.
If my plan wins, we would have spent 3m, and would still have 1 mote of Essence to spend before our control buffer overflowed.

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For the public record, since this is something that has come up repeatedly and people seem to mix it up, these are the relevant citations with regards to the Anima Control Merit.
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Exalted vs World of Darkness page 38-39 said:
Anima Banner

All human beings are surrounded at all times by an invisible spiritual aura. A few supernatural powers, such as a vampire's Auspex, are able to view this aura (and learn something about an individual's mental and spiritual state). The Dragon-Blooded call this spiritual mantle the anima, and when the Exalted spend Essence rapidly, fragments of elemental or divine power flood into their anima and may cause it to become visible to the naked eye, glowing and burning with a color and texture characteristic to their brand of Exaltation.

An Exalt's anima banner becomes visible when she spends 3 or more points of Essence in a single scene. In the Age of Legends, an anima banner could tower several stories into the air, and was visible from leagues away. In the mystically-depleted World of Darkness, the anima banner reaches only a few feet above the character's head, and is as bright as a burning bonfire. This divine incandescence fades away (Essence rating × 3) minutes after the Exalt stops actively spending Essence.
Anima Control Merit
Exalted vs World of Darkness page 48 said:
Anima Control (1, 2, or 5pt. merit)
The Exalt can finely control the release of her Essence into her spiritual aura. The one-point version of this Merit allows the Exalt to select one of the following benefits, while the two-point version allows her to select two.

• The character's Exalt's anima flare manifests as a tightly shining envelope of light that rises from her body like steam, and is no brighter than a torch.
• The Exalt may restrain her anima until she's spent 4 Essence in a scene.
• The character's anima fades after three minutes, regardless of her Essence rating.

The five-point version of this Merit gives the Exalt full control over her anima: it only flares when she wishes it to.
We currently have the 1-dot version, and we picked the second benefit: The Exalt may restrain her anima until she's spent 4 Essence in a scene.

That means you spend 4m of Essence, and then start glowing when you spend your 5th mote.
NOT that you spend 3m of Essence, and start glowing on the 4th mote.


EDIT
And yes, we do intend to buy the 5-point version eventually.
We just have more urgent things right now.
 
Vote closed. Plan Double Take wins because there is a version of it at the bottom with one vote that did not get counted together for some reason.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Jul 5, 2023 at 7:11 AM, finished with 117 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X]Plan Double Take
    -[X]Take another, closer look at the Malvora as he walks away, burning power to see what he's trying to hide
    --[X]Repeat look with Hellscry Chakra + Occult Excellency + Stunt, then Crown question on his outfit
    --[X]Occult Excellency: 1m
    --[X]Crown Focus: Suit and accouterments. Question: What secrets is the owner/wearer of these items hiding?: 1m
    -[X]Go speak to someone else in the crowd
    --[X] A dark haired vampire with a familiar resemblance to Thomas who seems to have found your put down particularly funny
    -[X]STUNT: Your senses, and those of your companion, follow the whampire as he walks away from you, a little faster than would be accounted normal. "Whats his deal?" Lydia asks, frowning at his retreating back, even as her hand traces out a different question on your wrist. "Not sure" is your reply, eyes intent as you consider, then dismiss calling after him.
    [X] Plan Under the Gun
    -[X] Try to push, find out where he knows the name of your vampires from
    -[X]Crown Focus: Suit and accouterments. Question: How is the owner of these items protected from your powers?
    --[X] [Stunt]: With something almost playful leaking into her eyes Molly replies "Well if we're sharing idle speculation, then perhaps she just didn't feel the need to be so blunt about it".
    —-[X] Something in her tone shifts, just the right mix of not-quite-condescension and amusement to come off like she wanted to reach out and ruffle his hair "It was a cute little ice breaker, but I hope you don't mind me saying your technique could use some work".
    [x] Try to push, find out where he knows the name of your vampires from
    -[X] [Stunt]: With something almost playful leaking into her eyes Molly replies "Well if we're sharing idle speculation, then perhaps she just didn't feel the need to be so blunt about it".
    -[X] Something in her tone shifts, just the right mix of not-quite-condescension and amusement to come off like she wanted to reach out and ruffle his hair "It was a cute little ice breaker, but I hope you don't mind me saying your technique could use some work".
    [X]Plan Focused Double Take
    -[X]Take another, closer look at the Malvora as he walks away, burning power to see what he's trying to hide
    --[X]Repeat look with Hellscry Chakra + Occult Excellency + Stunt, then Crown question on his outfit
    --[X]Occult Excellency: 1m
    --[X]Crown Focus: Suit and accouterments. Question: How is the owner of these items protected from your powers?: 1m
    -[X]Go speak to someone else in the crowd
    --[X] A dark haired vampire with a familiar resemblance to Thomas who seems to have found your put down particularly funny
    -[X]STUNT: Your senses, and those of your companion, follow the whampire as he walks away from you, a little faster than would be accounted normal. "Whats his deal?" Lydia asks, frowning at his retreating back, even as her hand traces out a different question on your wrist. "Not sure" is your reply, eyes intent as you consider, then dismiss calling after him. Moving to a nearby table to pick up a cup of white wine, you mask the direction of your intense stare by pretending to inspect it to the light.
 
Vote closed. Plan Double Take wins because there is a version of it at the bottom with one vote that did not get counted together for some reason.

If you're talking about Yog's vote, it isn't a vote for Uju's plan, but his own variation, the vote is tied.

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looking closer, it seems he did make it the same at some point, just then name being different, shame, that means we uses every single one of our stealthy motes right at the beginning, for no real reasons.
 
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Vote closed. Plan Double Take wins because there is a version of it at the bottom with one vote that did not get counted together for some reason.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Jul 5, 2023 at 7:11 AM, finished with 117 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X]Plan Double Take
    -[X]Take another, closer look at the Malvora as he walks away, burning power to see what he's trying to hide
    --[X]Repeat look with Hellscry Chakra + Occult Excellency + Stunt, then Crown question on his outfit
    --[X]Occult Excellency: 1m
    --[X]Crown Focus: Suit and accouterments. Question: What secrets is the owner/wearer of these items hiding?: 1m
    -[X]Go speak to someone else in the crowd
    --[X] A dark haired vampire with a familiar resemblance to Thomas who seems to have found your put down particularly funny
    -[X]STUNT: Your senses, and those of your companion, follow the whampire as he walks away from you, a little faster than would be accounted normal. "Whats his deal?" Lydia asks, frowning at his retreating back, even as her hand traces out a different question on your wrist. "Not sure" is your reply, eyes intent as you consider, then dismiss calling after him.
    [X] Plan Under the Gun
    -[X] Try to push, find out where he knows the name of your vampires from
    -[X]Crown Focus: Suit and accouterments. Question: How is the owner of these items protected from your powers?
    --[X] [Stunt]: With something almost playful leaking into her eyes Molly replies "Well if we're sharing idle speculation, then perhaps she just didn't feel the need to be so blunt about it".
    —-[X] Something in her tone shifts, just the right mix of not-quite-condescension and amusement to come off like she wanted to reach out and ruffle his hair "It was a cute little ice breaker, but I hope you don't mind me saying your technique could use some work".
    [x] Try to push, find out where he knows the name of your vampires from
    -[X] [Stunt]: With something almost playful leaking into her eyes Molly replies "Well if we're sharing idle speculation, then perhaps she just didn't feel the need to be so blunt about it".
    -[X] Something in her tone shifts, just the right mix of not-quite-condescension and amusement to come off like she wanted to reach out and ruffle his hair "It was a cute little ice breaker, but I hope you don't mind me saying your technique could use some work".
    [X]Plan Focused Double Take
    -[X]Take another, closer look at the Malvora as he walks away, burning power to see what he's trying to hide
    --[X]Repeat look with Hellscry Chakra + Occult Excellency + Stunt, then Crown question on his outfit
    --[X]Occult Excellency: 1m
    --[X]Crown Focus: Suit and accouterments. Question: How is the owner of these items protected from your powers?: 1m
    -[X]Go speak to someone else in the crowd
    --[X] A dark haired vampire with a familiar resemblance to Thomas who seems to have found your put down particularly funny
    -[X]STUNT: Your senses, and those of your companion, follow the whampire as he walks away from you, a little faster than would be accounted normal. "Whats his deal?" Lydia asks, frowning at his retreating back, even as her hand traces out a different question on your wrist. "Not sure" is your reply, eyes intent as you consider, then dismiss calling after him. Moving to a nearby table to pick up a cup of white wine, you mask the direction of your intense stare by pretending to inspect it to the light.
Votes still tied. Yog voted for both options/versions so you are counting him twice.
 
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If you're talking about Yog's vote, it isn't a vote for Uju's plan, but his own variation, the vote is tied.

edit:

looking closer, it seems he did make it the same at some point, just then name being different, shame, that means we uses every single one of our stealthy motes right at the beginning, for no real reasons.
I mean, the difference between the plans is the question which has consequences.

Yog's variant banks on the concealment effect being tied to whatever makes Vittorio different, Uju32's is banking on his greatest secret being something relevant to our current situation*.

Their failure modes aren't the same.


*Both are predicated on him being infected with an Outsider, which the wiki states doesn't happen till after the climax of the plot we're currently in by the by. So some of the basic assumptions informing this action are incorrect.
 
If you're talking about Yog's vote, it isn't a vote for Uju's plan, but his own variation, the vote is tied.

edit:

looking closer, it seems he did make it the same at some point, just then name being different, shame, that means we uses every single one of our stealthy motes right at the beginning, for no real reasons.
It doesn't matter, Yog voted for both plans. It will be counting him twice, @DragonParadox
 
I feel like people are way over worrying about anima flaring. It does not change anything this is Dresden Files just about everything notable, has a way to see the anima flaring, or not.

Keeping the anima hidden is to make it easier to use essence around mortals, not supernaturals.
 
I feel like people are way over worrying about anima flaring. It does not change anything this is Dresden Files just about everything notable, has a way to see the anima flaring, or not.

Keeping the anima hidden is to make it easier to use essence around mortals, not supernaturals.

I disagree, we have no need to make the fact that we are using essence obvious, and Mab didn't see our uses of it during our talk, so keeping the anima hidden is worth it even when against supernaturals, and anyway, you don't throw the flaring out on the basis that *they can see us use essence anyway* when you have no certainty, because if you are wrong, you just removed one of your advantage freely for no reasons.
 
[X] Plan Under the Gun

[x] Try to push, find out where he knows the name of your vampires from
-[X] [Stunt]: With something almost playful leaking into her eyes Molly replies "Well if we're sharing idle speculation, then perhaps she just didn't feel the need to be so blunt about it".
-[X] Something in her tone shifts, just the right mix of not-quite-condescension and amusement to come off like she wanted to reach out and ruffle his hair "It was a cute little ice breaker, but I hope you don't mind me saying your technique could use some work".


I don't even want to spend essence on the crown right now, but ugh.
 
And with that we finally have a winner (and I do not have to roll dice which I am always iffy on when it comes to decision points).
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 5, 2023 at 9:44 AM, finished with 127 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X] Plan Under the Gun
    -[X] Try to push, find out where he knows the name of your vampires from
    -[X]Crown Focus: Suit and accouterments. Question: How is the owner of these items protected from your powers?
    --[X] [Stunt]: With something almost playful leaking into her eyes Molly replies "Well if we're sharing idle speculation, then perhaps she just didn't feel the need to be so blunt about it".
    —-[X] Something in her tone shifts, just the right mix of not-quite-condescension and amusement to come off like she wanted to reach out and ruffle his hair "It was a cute little ice breaker, but I hope you don't mind me saying your technique could use some work".
    [X]Plan Double Take
    -[X]Take another, closer look at the Malvora as he walks away, burning power to see what he's trying to hide
    --[X]Repeat look with Hellscry Chakra + Occult Excellency + Stunt, then Crown question on his outfit
    --[X]Occult Excellency: 1m
    --[X]Crown Focus: Suit and accouterments. Question: What secrets is the owner/wearer of these items hiding?: 1m
    -[X]Go speak to someone else in the crowd
    --[X] A dark haired vampire with a familiar resemblance to Thomas who seems to have found your put down particularly funny
    -[X]STUNT: Your senses, and those of your companion, follow the whampire as he walks away from you, a little faster than would be accounted normal. "Whats his deal?" Lydia asks, frowning at his retreating back, even as her hand traces out a different question on your wrist. "Not sure" is your reply, eyes intent as you consider, then dismiss calling after him.
    [x] Try to push, find out where he knows the name of your vampires from
    -[X] [Stunt]: With something almost playful leaking into her eyes Molly replies "Well if we're sharing idle speculation, then perhaps she just didn't feel the need to be so blunt about it".
    -[X] Something in her tone shifts, just the right mix of not-quite-condescension and amusement to come off like she wanted to reach out and ruffle his hair "It was a cute little ice breaker, but I hope you don't mind me saying your technique could use some work".
    [X]Plan Focused Double Take
    -[X]Take another, closer look at the Malvora as he walks away, burning power to see what he's trying to hide
    --[X]Repeat look with Hellscry Chakra + Occult Excellency + Stunt, then Crown question on his outfit
    --[X]Occult Excellency: 1m
    --[X]Crown Focus: Suit and accouterments. Question: How is the owner of these items protected from your powers?: 1m
    -[X]Go speak to someone else in the crowd
    --[X] A dark haired vampire with a familiar resemblance to Thomas who seems to have found your put down particularly funny
    -[X]STUNT: Your senses, and those of your companion, follow the whampire as he walks away from you, a little faster than would be accounted normal. "Whats his deal?" Lydia asks, frowning at his retreating back, even as her hand traces out a different question on your wrist. "Not sure" is your reply, eyes intent as you consider, then dismiss calling after him. Moving to a nearby table to pick up a cup of white wine, you mask the direction of your intense stare by pretending to inspect it to the light.
 
Arc 8 Post 24: The Shadow Inside
The Shadow Inside

13th of November 2006 A.D.

Vittorio Malvora is a mystery... and you do not like mysteries, not ones in black and grey among a coterie of predators, it's like an itch between your shoulders, right where a knife would go. With enough power, with enough eyes upon him you can dig it out of him, that you are sure of, but just as keenly you are aware that those eyes do not just yearn to see, but to be seen, sparks of nuclear fire in fancy silverware reflected. They would probably put people off their canape and oysters. Thus restrained you fix your eyes upon his boring as heck tie, not even enough imagination to go for a colorful one and ask: How is the owner of this tie warded from my sight?

On that unremarkable path in the shadow of a fake chateaux, the smell of night flowers and fine parfume applied perhaps a bit to liberally you encounter something you had not since taking up the Crown of Wisdom, the Crown of Eyes: a shadow in its sight, a void that looms above the vampire's left shoulder up and up until it seems to eat the stars.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 13/15

His master's work.

Ashraaah's work


The word, passes into your mind like a worm crawling through silt and you know that were you merely a mortal wizard so too would it seek to pass out of mind without a trace in memory. But you did not overhear it on the night air, not did you read it in some pilfered scroll or upon a screen left carelessly open... open for the careless. You took it and what you take you keep. Meaning you draw from it as one might drill an oil well down to hell.

Not-Man, Once-Man, Husk. All that was of him in the Image of God is Not and in the place of God, something else, a hunger, a need, a Howling.
All at once the world snaps back into focus, all the sights and sounds of nocturnal gathering spinning around and round in a haze of of blind gaiety, knowing not for the servant, the puppet of darkness that walks among them, for you do not think the Ashraaah is capable of keeping servants that its influence does not devour.

Yet you keep your calm, the smile upon your lips unchanged. "Well if we're sharing idle speculation, then perhaps she just didn't feel the need to be so blunt about it."Laughs and titters redouble, but Vittorio seems more concerned with getting away from you then with throwing some barb over his shoulder. So you add: "It was a cute little ice breaker, but I hope you don't mind me saying your technique could use some work".

Finally Vittorio turns, lazily as though he is not clearly the loser of this bout. "I have more important techniques to concern myself with."

Most of the laughter has stilled but the man who looks like Thomas shouts: "A gentleman does not tell nor does he boast Vitto."

"Fuck you Madrigal!" he says none too softly.

Madrigal, one of the names on your list, the only Raith. Somehow that revelation is shocking, almost as if some part of you does not want to believe that the bad guys can cheer you on putting down other bad guys. But then my powers seem made to make the bad guys cheer. Case in point the demon currently filling you on on what 'Ashraaah' means beyond the flash of insight and revulsion.

They are the wizards who look not inwards to the world, with spite, with kindness, with malice or with curiosity it matters not, for this purpose all wizards are brothers and sisters, but Outwards to the Dark who take it into themselves. That's when it clicks in your head, a realization you had been feeling yourself towards ever since you had burned that Circle into the stone and then met the old sea monster, ever sine you had looked into the soul of Nemesis, Outside is not a side in the cosmic dance, it is a place where dwell those cast out of Creation plot its unmaking. As Exiles are wont to they might work together when it suits them, but their purpose need not align utterly.

Regained 2 Essence -> Now at 15/15

After a moment, making sure Vittorio is really leaving you turn back towards the house and finally cross Lara's threshold. Apparently Lara's a huger at social events, who would have thunk it?

What do you do?

[] Try to pass on what you saw to Lara (Charisma+Subterfuge)
-[] Use Excellency (optional)

[] Send her a message, you have her number and Cthulhu probably does not read texts. Hopefully she's not one of those people who does not check her phone at parties

[] Write in


OOC: Yes the term is borrowed from the Nephandi, this is another one of those places where canon does not give one much to go with because Harry does not know how those connections work so I had to do my own thing. That does not mean we have Cauls and inverted avatars though, there are no avatars in this magic.
 
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Should we tell her now, during the party?

I'm worried that her greater concern over the demon-possessed cousin might harm our little party-surprise later.
 
Should we tell her now, during the party?

I'm worried that her greater concern over the demon-possessed cousin might harm our little party-surprise later.
This is a party full of social adept supernatual monsters. While we throw a LOT of dice around that's a LOT of people who have significant dice pools trying to spy on literally everyone here.

Is there something about this intel that is instantly actionable? What advantage does telling her right this minute do for us?
 
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