Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Look over that sword you took from the Akuma, carrying that thing around with you, even if you are not going to do it will make a statement
 
The 2008 market crash was entirely predictable and quite unavoidable. It was because banks where giving loans out to people that could not afford to pay them back. This caused the banks to have to taken the property to recoups losses. Their is nothing we can to stop it really, everything is already setup and done it is just people don't yet know how bad it is.
Stopping it isn't in the cards, but we could moderate the harm. Overall it's not a full fix, but we could make excellent money and save the livelihoods of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people.

That isn't everything effective but it's not nothing either, especially for those people.

If we can bake broad benefits into our routine efforts that either enhance or have no impact on our profits but help other people (while generating potentially valuable good will to boot) I don't see why we shouldn't do so.
And the efficiency and performance of Craft thus far demonstrates otherwise.
We need a ruling about this, because the nuclear byproducts are more physical elements of the working material and seem less reasonable to poof than energy that came from essence anyway.

If this was at all true, conflict minerals would not exist as a lucrative international venture involving everything from local gangs and militia to international corporations to nation states. And gold smuggling would not still be a problem.
They care about not being screwed though. The background doesn't matter as long as it scans clean, but anything that triggers a flag on a test if it's real will be a problem even if other tests would show what's going on.

On the industrialist thing, I agree we aren't set up to be Stark, but we can and should still deal with softer economic things at some level.

Too much power to be had to avoid it, though I wouldn't make it a primary thing for us.
 
Chosing precisely those examples does make it sound a little bit like a mythology-geek tries to carefully send signals that she has a crush?
 
Stopping it isn't in the cards, but we could moderate the harm. Overall it's not a full fix, but we could make excellent money and save the livelihoods of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people.

I mean if you start buying up congressmen... now you might be in a position to impose stronger rules on the banking system, you know if you feel like being the Shadow Tyrant of the USA, just be careful of the Library of Congress. :V

Incidentally I still have not decided if all the politicians are the same though. In a world with multiple magical conspiracies one would imagine that there would be quite a few different people and maybe a few differing trends.
 
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Chosing precisely those examples does make it sound a little bit like a mythology-geek tries to carefully send signals that she has a crush?
I'm sure in this case it's just your mind seeing things. Of all the interactions we've had with her indicate that she's on a good relationship with Daniel and has never shown any signs of it that a sobrernaturally good social Molly noticed.

It's best to just focus on the part where she was raising death flags like they were nothing, that worries me.
 
Honestly we could run a megacorp just fine within our skillset.

We find competent people, convince them to do the job, and see through literally all of their bullshit so we know they are actually doing the job to the best of their abilities. That's 95% of what management of a large organization actually is.
Competent people can be wrong.

Wrong opinions, wrong fit for the organization, wrong position in the company, wrong reading of the business landscape and regulatory environment, wrong judgement of a new product, even wrong timing.

Do remember that Steve Jobs was fired from Apple in the 1980s, and Apple thrived after he left. And he was reappointed when Apple got into trouble in the 1990s, and he revived it.
Or that Rubin, who created the wildly successful Android OS for Google, went on to create Essential Phone, which flopped.

There's a lot more to running a successful megacorp than competent people doing the best of their abilities. You can halfass an existing megacorp and it will run on autopilot for a while, but the bill always comes due. Half-assing the establishment of one is much harder, and far more prone to explode in your face prematurely.

We aint got the AP or abilities for this, and we certainly dont want the visibility/profile that comes with running one.
 
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Abyssals can make vampires in the core book, vampires are about terestrial tier... if they are strong enough. But the Five Dot Abyssal charm that makes them defaults to 15th generation Cadifs. Those are not Terestrial Scale. If you take that charm as apocalyptic and then as a 5 Essence Abyssal you roll 5 successes on that essence you get an 8th generation clanless vampire. That is about on par with a fresh Terestrial Exalt, if you build them right.

So yeah making circle mates is not going to be easy, but if you start with a minor talent like Olivia and give her some fomori powers it is at least a start, there are other ways to enhance people out there for those who would dare to walk beyond the lighted paths, and other sorts of beings you could find.
So, finding, rather than making, I guess. For making, a combination of Crown question on how various divine servitors like valkyries are made, how soulfire can be obtained, and a lot of alchemy and enhacntments should do the trick. For finding... We need someone in the same age range and with powers on par with ours. That's a tough search. Recruit Lily, maybe?
I mean if you start buying up congressmen... now you might be in a position to impose stronger rules on the banking system, you know if you feel like being the Shadow Tyrant of the USA, just be careful of the Library of Congress.
As I said:
1) Endless Torment Emanations on all projects that deal with giving our housing loans.
2) Dissonant Lies Made True for politicians / bankers handling the crisis

We aint got the AP or abilities for this, and we certainly dont want the visibility/profile that comes with running one.
We don't need to run it. We only need to facilitate it being created and run. We have a number of almost impossible to beat advantages. Cyberdevils give us tireless perfectly loyal office workers, cyber security, competent researchers / software developers / engineers. Our kingdom gives us near infinite R&D budget. At most it would require us to carry a data storage device to and from our Kingdom each month.
 
That's propably gonna hurt too.

Since, you know, almost nobody can afford a home without a loan. And many taking a loan do so and can in fact pay it back over the negotiated amount of time.
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Yeah.
Basically, they are suggesting we just implode the US economy by blowing up the bond market, the banking sector and the housing sector. Simultaneously.

Its like killing a person to cure them of cancer.
Certainly a choice.
 
That's propably gonna hurt too.

Since, you know, almost nobody can afford a home without a loan. And many taking a loan do so and can in fact pay it back over the negotiated amount of time.
Hmm... Ok, the radical way would be to use ETE on "checking who is past their payment" projects or "repossessing houses" projects. Something like that. Essentially, make it harder for banks to check who missed their payments and/or to take the houses from the people.
 
We don't need to run it. We only need to facilitate it being created and run. We have a number of almost impossible to beat advantages. Cyberdevils give us tireless perfectly loyal office workers, cyber security, competent researchers / software developers / engineers. Our kingdom gives us near infinite R&D budget. At most it would require us to carry a data storage device to and from our Kingdom each month
Yes. We do need to run it.
Megacorps have vast and far reaching effects on the world economy. You dont try to create one and leave it to blunder about.


As for the idea that cyberdevils are some sort of impossible advantage? They are Wicked City natives. They predate us showing up as an Infernal. And yet Mikaboshi doesnt already own the world financial markets and Mikaboshi-backed corporations havent yet outcompeted all their rivals.

Just maybe cyberdevils are not the perfect all-round corporate drones you think they are.
 
The main problem the banks had was doing their job badly, not too well.

If you want to moderate the GFC the easiest way is to persuade politicians not to care about moral hazard and bail out Lehmans, and then not implement austerity afterwards and instead go for counter-cyclical fiscal expansion.

That's hard to arrange.
 
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And yet Mikaboshi doesnt already own the world financial markets and Mikaboshi-backed corporations havent yet outcompeted all their rivals.
As indicated by the quotes I provided previously, MIkaboshi pretty much does run / control / dominates over MIddle Kingdom stock markets. And that's with all his disfunctionality. And he is pretty disfunctional, such that his minions can't trust each other at all, even when serving a common goal at behest of their master.
 
Okay, one last appeal to reason...

Why are y'all giving priority to examining the sword we've had in our possession for weeks, when there is an important gathering in a few days, and we have two prime sources of information we could be speaking with to relieve our ignorance? Thomas is a trustworthy and reliable source of White Court intel, and Harry is the best pipeline to the White Council we could hope for.

But y'all want to look at the sword we'll never actually use in combat. :rolleyes2:
 
Okay, one last appeal to reason...

Why are y'all giving priority to examining the sword we've had in our possession for weeks, when there is an important gathering in a few days, and we have two prime sources of information we could be speaking with to relieve our ignorance? Thomas is a trustworthy and reliable source of White Court intel, and Harry is the best pipeline to the White Council we could hope for.

But y'all want to look at the sword we'll never actually use in combat. :rolleyes2:
Or, alternatively, we could focus on looking hella bomb!
 
Okay, one last appeal to reason...

Why are y'all giving priority to examining the sword we've had in our possession for weeks, when there is an important gathering in a few days, and we have two prime sources of information we could be speaking with to relieve our ignorance? Thomas is a trustworthy and reliable source of White Court intel, and Harry is the best pipeline to the White Council we could hope for.

But y'all want to look at the sword we'll never actually use in combat. :rolleyes2:
Our sword is also a better accessory.
 
[X] The Brothers LeFey


Parading around with trophies stolen from fallen enemies is cool but giving Harry a heads up (how disconnected is the WC from normal practicioners man) and info gathering us way more important
 
[X] The Brothers LeFey
-[X] Talk to Harry about what happened, see if the White Council is willing to do something about a plot aimed ultimately at them
-[X] Speak to Thomas about White Court politics and etiquette, movers and shakers within the Court we might encounter at the party, and generally how such gatherings tend to play out, both when they are peaceful and when they include bloodletting.
 
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