If you are pointing it as Maeve the active Nemesis host it would burn Nemesis because Nemesis and its hosts get mixed up in terms of identity, former hosts so not suffer the issue, but they also do not give as much detail.
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If you are pointing it as Maeve the active Nemesis host it would burn Nemesis because Nemesis and its hosts get mixed up in terms of identity, former hosts so not suffer the issue, but they also do not give as much detail.
Ah, so it's probably better to go with expanding lists of people to get more detail. Use the first non-Maeve former host for "list of all fae court current hosts", then the one after that for "all current fae non-court hosts", then "all historical fae hosts", then just go to all hosts.
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Does Mab have any trouble stopping by the Carpenter homestead for Michael as backup?
It might make it obvious what you are doing. There aren't a lot of things Winter and the Knights see eye to eye on much less collaborate on
Not worth the risk of tipping our hand then.
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[X] Yes
Yeah, I wonder if we could wrangle Mab's help to root out Nemesis not just in her court, but in totality. She is one of the foremost defenders of reality ATM, and hardly well-inclined to Nemesis right now too.
Though letting her have a look at the Crown might not be the best, given it's horrifying implications for infosec...
Worth it to save Justine and stop Nemesis right in its tracks? Maybe.
Yeah, I wonder if we could wrangle Mab's help to root out Nemesis not just in her court, but in totality. She is one of the foremost defenders of reality ATM, and hardly well-inclined to Nemesis right now too.
Though letting her have a look at the Crown might not be the best, given it's horrifying implications for infosec...
Worth it to save Justine and stop Nemesis right in its tracks? Maybe.
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… Has Maeve been active in Chicago recently and we just didn't notice, or does Mab mean we're going on a trip to the nevernever?
I know the winter lady likes to hang out in the area, but I didn't think she had a permanent place here used frequently enough to qualify as "her abode".
Independent of that, don't we need some prep too? Somehow I doubt we'll be able to find a convenient steel bar in any Fey residence.
That said I don't think sharing more with Mab would be wise. We can work thing don't without telling her, and frankly anything we can't do without reading her in probably isn't work the consequences.
I know the winter lady likes to hang out in the area, but I didn't think she had a permanent place here used frequently enough to qualify as "her abode".
Independent of that, don't we need some prep too? Somehow I doubt we'll be able to find a convenient steel bar in any Fey residence.
We can probably get her to pay us for the job.
That said I don't think sharing more with Mab would be wise. We can work thing don't without telling her, and frankly anything we can't do without reading her in probably isn't work the consequences.
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I guess we can give him an old bra that we were going to throw away.
If she is in the never-never then our safe return isn't part of the deal. But I am not worried about that if we are left trapped in Winter we are at our most powerful. Maybe we will get the chance to kill a few Fetches on our way out.
1)Could be either.
No permanent residence stated in canon for Maeve or Lily.
Aurora and the former Summer Knight were the ones who we know had permanent/semi-permanent residences. Them and Winter Lady Molly.
That said, if they had permanent residences, they would probably be low-key specifically to avoid surveillance and/or ambush. The old Summer Knight had a residence in Chicago, and Dresden never knew where it was, or that the guy even lived here. Not until he was murdered.
2) I cant imagine that it requires anything that Tool Constructs cant conjure.
Besides, its a sorcery ritual from an Age when there were literally materials and cosmic constants that apparently dont exist any longer; I suspect there are multiple different variants that work fine, including those that need no material components at all.
[X] Yes
-[X] Warn her that Nemesis will not go quietly and will try to harm its host as it is exorcised.
-[X] Warn her that Nemesis will not go quietly and will try to harm its host as it is exorcised.
Once we have our favours, can we use one to take a major control of the conpanies setting up infrastructure for the internet or at least a large fraction of it. I mean owning AWS alone is a huge chunk.
It think it is pretty inportant since once we get the god creation charm and once things have gotten bad enough, we can awaken a god of the internet to really give humanity an edge in surviving the apocalypse, the money won't hurt either and we can use a lot of our excellencies to really help with innovation as well.
It think it is pretty inportant since once we get the god creation charm and once things have gotten bad enough, we can awaken a god of the internet to really give humanity an edge in surviving the apocalypse, the money won't hurt either and we can use a lot of our excellencies to really help with innovation as well.
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Biggest thing I think we need to do here is use the confrontation with Maeve to confirm whether Hellscry Chakra can detect Nemesis infection. If it can, that opens up a lot of options for the future. And provides some cover on where we got our intel.
Either way, we probably want to continue to semi-regularly contact Mab with a list of new infected we find. Continue to send her the occasional round of new names on the understanding that she won't pry into where we get them from. It's a good way to put a lot of spokes in Nemesis's wheels, gain more good will from Winter, establish ourselves as a reliable source of information, and get any backup we need for purging any hard targets with Exorcisms. After all, I don't think it's going to be hard to convince Winter to give us a good ritual chamber for purging Nemesis infections, or to hold down the infected while we do the ritual. And that's really all we need.
Either way, we probably want to continue to semi-regularly contact Mab with a list of new infected we find. Continue to send her the occasional round of new names on the understanding that she won't pry into where we get them from. It's a good way to put a lot of spokes in Nemesis's wheels, gain more good will from Winter, establish ourselves as a reliable source of information, and get any backup we need for purging any hard targets with Exorcisms. After all, I don't think it's going to be hard to convince Winter to give us a good ritual chamber for purging Nemesis infections, or to hold down the infected while we do the ritual. And that's really all we need.
No, that would be a horrible waste of a valuable boon.
The Internet is useful, but its not critical to human development or survival. We made it all the way into the 1990s before it even began to enter the mainstream.
Not to mention that such a move would draw the sort of scrutiny we've been trying to avoid, because you cannot own significant parts of international public infrastructure without being on the radar of a LOT of people.
Both private and nationstate level scrutiny.
Besides, human economics is not really Winter's portfolio.
If Molly was really interested in economic power, she has the charms to brute force her way into it, and she can buy additional charms to help her there. Trivially.
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Yeah I'm not seeing the benefit of being the on record owner of any telecoms when we could probably sneak onto a server farm and Cyberdevil everything. Let others take the cost of setting stuff up.
Kind of unavoidable by her nature Molly is rapidly going to become the biggest tech company, richest person etc in the world. And that is honestly with Molly only throwing a few AP out once in a while.
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Or if we wanted to do it completely legit fly up and fix up a bunch of old Satilites.
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Okay, just realized something here: it's Halloween. As in, it's the time when immortals turn out en mass to feed by trying to steal bits of each other's mantles. And that sounds very similar to what we do with MiM when killing projections like a single Nemesis fork, stealing part of another immortal's power to increase our own.
If Mab sees us use MiM on Nemesis tonight, she might mistake it for us partaking in the normal Halloween feeding frenzy instead of realizing just how broad and broken that particular charm is. Unless she retains enough lore to remember what Exalted Spirit Killers are, anyway, in which case she'll know exactly what we're doing, but in that case she would already know that we probably could do that, so…
If Mab sees us use MiM on Nemesis tonight, she might mistake it for us partaking in the normal Halloween feeding frenzy instead of realizing just how broad and broken that particular charm is. Unless she retains enough lore to remember what Exalted Spirit Killers are, anyway, in which case she'll know exactly what we're doing, but in that case she would already know that we probably could do that, so…
Thinking about it buying up 3 dots of ally winter, and spend a favor for the last 2 dot would be pretty good investment.
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One thing that I would like to buy from winter would be a vessel to store lash in.
You guys should keep in mind that Nemesis is capable of adapting its plans and actions. It is not just going to sit around and wait to be exorcised, that is probably why Mab is going for Maeve and doing it in person, she wants to make sure that in this instance the thing is caught by as complete surprise as can be achieved.
We can do that without Winter's help (and I like the idea of actually doing it). These favors should not be used for mundane stuff. This is for stuff like "organize the protection and support of an expedition to the Scar area of NeverNever so we can retrieve the rest of Infernal Exaltations and hide them in our world body".
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Frankly I'm half expecting a Naagloshii interrupt to the ritual, Nemesis might not be able to force the ambush predator into atacking the Winter Queen head on, but we should assume that assets are going to tasked with disrupting the ritual once we start, so informing Mab of potentially compromised hostiles in the area might be wise.
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If the Naagloshii and the Winter Queen fight, I vote to bring some popcorn while we cast the ritual.
Disagree.
1)Nothing in Molly's skillset lends her to being involved in the tech industry.
We didn't spec her to be a tech billionaire like Tony Stark; she's way more like Scrooge McDuck, if anything.
2)We have, and will have, expenses that need servicing.
Its quite easy to burn through eight or nine figures yearly paying upkeep for a couple hundred people; 200 people collecting 80k a year each is a recurring yearly wage bill of $16 million before things like health insurance and retirement contributions and operating costs for stuff like operating safe houses.
Never mind one off costs for things like upgrading Dragons Nests, paying off informants, and buying components for Tier 5/6 artifacts and Wonders.
I chose the number 200 deliberately, because the White Court had 100 human combat troops in their Chicago estate as of Peace Talks, just in Chicago, not counting other places or non-combat staff.
And Odin was able to deploy 500 Einherjar to Chicago during Battle Grounds.
I am reasonably sure the Whamps, at least, pay more than 80k apiece to ensure they get people who are experienced, skilled AND discreet; according to this AMA, US military contractors during the War on Terror were getting paid around 120k before taxes to do security work in Iraq back around 2010.
3)Molly can, if she chooses to, accumulate significant amounts of wealth.
Its definitely an active choice, but she can do it; between bullshit crafting, alchemy, her Cyberdevils background for financial trading and the Crown, she can raise her net worth into the 9-figures range by next year.
Just dabbling in platinum-group metal transmutation is enough.
Where its an issue is if she tries to concentrate said wealth in strategic industries in order to wield control.
THAT draws attention.
If her wealth is spread out across investments in different nations and sectors, it has a much higher chance of passing unremarked; the drug cartels and corrupt government officials launder tens of billions of dollars yearly through the modern financial system.
See HSBC, which was fined around 1.8 billion dollars in 2012, for failing to monitor about 670 billion dollars in wire transfers and nine billion in physical cash over three years in and out of Mexico.
Mab is a big enough heavyweight that she could singlehandedly solo the entire White Council of wizards.
I'd say bring popcorn, but shit wouldn't last that long; if Mab swung at the naagloshii all you'll see is pink mist.
Which is why the naagloshii wouldn't even try.
There are very few people in this reality who have the capability of even thinking they can come to conclusions with Mab. None of them are people you whistle up on a moment's notice.
People weaker than Mab are horribly dangerous; the Archive, for example, solo'd most of the Order of the Blackened Denarius while cut off from magic.
If they hadn't surprised her with sleeping gas, she'd have eaten them alive.
And Ivy is nowhere in the same weight class as the Queen of Air and Darkness.
If Molly was out to cannibalize people's power, she'd be out hunting small fry, not sitting at a meeting.
Something like Nemesis would be very dangerous game to pull that with; lions generally dont attempt to hunt crocodiles or hippos, and definitely not solo.
Besides, I suspect that in her more than one thousand years of life, she's seen the Swords being wielded in anger, and they are definitely spiritkillers.
Shouldn't be a new concept.
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Just realized the vote is kinda close
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