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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Really she was in that ice for a whole 5 years? I was low balling how much she would owe us for a quick exorcism.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Molly does not know about Lea IC, but OOC, sure that should work
- You can try, just keep in mind that it is a... potent enough sort of being that if you invoke the crown in its presence it might be able to see you use it and understand what it is
She has been in that ice since before Dead Beat, since that was when Dresden tried to summon Lea and got Mab.
So it was 6 years in canon.
Here in this AU, its only been around a year or so.
1) Alright.
Then Mab will likely ask about Lea after Maeve is fixed properly.
She isn't going to have her 2IC and Gates deputy on ice for an extra 5 years if she can get her released faster.
Lea being out early is likely to have implications for Winter's readiness. Or willingness to accept aggravation.
If nothing else, those Outsiders that the Reds that have been summoned to pass through Faerie in their war are likely to see a lot more interdiction
2) Whoops. Fair enough.
Then we ask in private. Either we burn one of the victims as a focus, or we memorize one of Maeve's significant items as a focus.
Fair point, it's probably the most responsible option all around. We certainly shouldn't spend them without considerable more thought anyway**.
On the topic, it's also worth noting that this is just the biggest ticket item. There are other senior officials to free and people to clear. Which are incredibly rare skills typically costing Rashid's time to check and months of torturous medical treatment from Mab* just to try for a cure.
Keeping the big favors doesn't mean we can't bank and spend the smaller ones to get stuff done. The other names on the list are probably worth something favor wise; they are still important ish names.
First of the Rawheads and Aodh seem like they'd be worth some background dots if we save them.
Nemesis will react to us, but we can still make hay while the sun shines and charge to clear suspects. Especially if this follow up encounter confirms one way or the other on if we can automatically pick out infected via Hellscry instead of the crown.
* With expensive power costs on both sides
** Or you know finishing the job cleanly. We can make it work, but I wouldn't be spending them any time soon if something goes wrong and we get Maeve back a cripple or something.
Technically having the right wouldn't stop Mab from getting upset about it on an emotional level.
This is dangerous. Winter can be a powerful friend to have, and being involved is one of the better positions from which to change stuff like the behaviors we detest in them, but getting into the courts risks getting into fey politics. Which isn't something to do casually.
If we go with the option of banking the main favors and picking up spares, it might be worth trying something other than a straight Allies background with the whole court in exchange for a more narrow but locally stronger option.
I wouldn't want to really be friends with rawheads, but they're useful muscle. Saving their species lynchpin for dots in the Backup background from them specifically would be a good representation of getting them as quick access goons. Which they'd probably prefer anyway.
Aodh is potentially worth contacts with his father's craftsmen, or spies if he's already inherited just to name examples.
It's not as much, but it's still useful stuff we can squeeze out more of as we go and doesn't have the same costs or complications of a more involved option.
Would it have a chance to see if we use remnants of its passing to look not at it, but at its allies? Because that's the question worth asking. Who are the allies of the Walker? Not victims it posseses, but the ones who serve it or dhare a common goal or otherwise ally themselves with it.
You would have to use one of its victims, otherwise it goes Maeve's stuff -> Maeve -> Nemesis and that is too far for something like Nemesis which is good at hiding at least by the standards of this age.
You would have to use Nemesis itself for that with the risk of it looking back. Both it and its allies are very invested in their secrecy for obvious reasons.
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Okay, but I'm really looking forward to giving our after-action report to our allies on how this went down. We've been basically stomping Mab at social combat tonight, or as close to that as anyone can get, and got a ridiculously good deal out of the bargain, as well as getting firmly in Mab's good books by helping her to save her daughter from Nemesis corruption and being responsible with how we've been handling ourself here in general.
We went in to this meeting with a fancy car for a gift and a dot of Enemy (Winter), and came out with a magic flute, Winter owing us a pretty major debt, and Mab's good opinion, plus an opportunity to get more favors from Winter in the future in exchange for more Exorcisms. All in exchange for nothing more than whatever essence we spend here tonight and doing some stuff that we would have done anyway (and maybe some potential dots in Enemy (Nemesis), but eh). That's pretty excellent results by anyone's standards, and a pretty good demonstration of why social Exalts like us were once feared by all of Creation.
We went in to this meeting with a fancy car for a gift and a dot of Enemy (Winter), and came out with a magic flute, Winter owing us a pretty major debt, and Mab's good opinion, plus an opportunity to get more favors from Winter in the future in exchange for more Exorcisms. All in exchange for nothing more than whatever essence we spend here tonight and doing some stuff that we would have done anyway (and maybe some potential dots in Enemy (Nemesis), but eh). That's pretty excellent results by anyone's standards, and a pretty good demonstration of why social Exalts like us were once feared by all of Creation.
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If all goes to plan, then yes.
But we aint done yet.
[X] Yes
-[X] Reactivate your long-term buffs if needed due to scene changes
Now's not the time to be too stingy w/ essence or temp will.
Not while we are directly working against the Enemy of All.
That should be possible using a previous host? Maybe not Maeve, but I mean, we got a similar list from a note made by Lara who was speculating. And Nemesis didn't notice (hopefully). Using an exorcised or murdered host to find other hosts, or at least other fae hosts, should be doable.
To be fair you should also get Bob something nice, without him Molly would not have known IC just how much Maeve was worth to Mab, social skills or no, not a lot of people get the chance to appeal to Mab's intimacies directly, other than the obvious.
The ideal is to use one victim to get the complete historical list of Nemesis hosts.
Everyone since it first snuck into Reality; its been around since before Harry was born at least, since Morgan knew its Name. Then use them as focuses for everything else. Complete list of modern Nemesis hosts etc.
Id probably sacrifice the Rawhead .
Hell, we killed two or three lesser Outsiders that were hunting Ebenezar.
We saw their faces and appendages.
They probably count as Outsider focuses.
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Could someone explain to the White Wolf illiterate how well we did with the last two updates of rolls, and how badly it could have gone if Mab out rolled us here? I see that we rolled well, but I'm not sure what that did, or what would have happened if we hadn't.
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IIRC, Bob also told Harry about Mab caring about Maeve.
I haven't been following the discussion, so maybe it was brought up, but bringing him to this meeting would have been a disaster.
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Reminder, because you seem to keep getting this mixed up, that we can only use the Crown on things that we are currently looking at. We can't use it on memories or things that we are not currently perceiving at the moment. It's overpowered, but not that overpowered.
You did quite well, you won consistently once you were at the main part of the conversation. To be clear you would have flattened a mortal with those rolls, against Mab you had a very good showing and came out looking competent and helpful, even have her a case of brief nostalgia and noticed it. As for what would have happened if you failed, if depends where the failure would have been. If you had say failed to hide your sympathy that would have left Mab feeling emotionally vulnerable, something she has not felt in a long, long time. Odds are she would not have reacted well and you would have had to roll to mitigate the damage at a disadvantage. Social rolls compound in extended scenes like this, the more you fail the more likely you are to keep failing and the more you win the more likely you are to keep winning, though of course in the former case you can try to cut your losses and in the latter one might extend too far.
When it comes to the more mechanical side of things the scale goes
1 Success pass
2 Successes: Decent pass
3 Successes Good pass
4 Successes Great pass
5 Successes Legendary pass
More than 5 successes are possible even for mortals, but they are uncommon, they are someone very skilled having a very good showing in a subject. More than 10 successes... that is when minds start getting bent.
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- being near locations is my passion.
We can use it on photos. I wonder if we can use it on a sketch drawn from memory?
Though I'd be unsurprised if it turns out that even if we can the crown on a sketch generally, it'd not work on Outsiders due to it turning out that they can't be photographed/sketched accurately enough to count as a close-enough representation of an Outsider.
And of course, 15 successes is when other exalts begins calling you a try hard.
Oh, that's a nice idea. "Who are all that are, or have been, the hosts of the same entity as the one that possessed this person?". This would also give everyone who have been cured, or who have cured themselves, that's a great idea.
Depends on how good it is, same for all art. A smiley face with a name tag is not enough, the work of a skilled portraitist is, where between that the line is is hard to ascertain, but Molly would know looking at a representation if it is enough. Pictures on the other hand work no matter the quality because they are reflections of the thing passed though an impartial lens, even if it is a poor lens.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
I still want to use NWS on Mab we have managed alot by just knowing one of her buttons we can likely manage more with another.
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That's probably noticeable to her as well.
Just like the Crown.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
DP was talking about Nemesis also NSW is an entirely different sort of information gathering then the crown.
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
DP said we risk Nemesis looking back if we try this sort of thing, but putting that aside; @DragonParadox if we were to accept that risk, would asking for a list of everyone infected as You worded it count as us burning Maeve as a target or would it count as burning Nemesis?
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Off the top of my head I can't think of a better thing to ask that would burn Nemesis as a target, but having it be Maeve that is burned would of course be preferable.
(Going further than that, if it would be Maeve that is burned to ask we'd probably be better off picking a different infected individual, as Maeve could prove a useful vector to ask another question about Mab if need be.)
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If I understand it correctly, stuff like plans and using Nemesis (or its shard) risk it noticing. However using a former host to locate other hosts shouldn't be an issue - if it was, we would never have been able to use the note Lara made in the first place without being noticed.