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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Yog said:
Actually might not be that terrible of an idea. It could be beneficial for both us and Mab. We get rulership lessons. Mab gets to see how a society of broken Masquerade can be functional and strong, and how alternative governments can actually work
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Or we get taught like Leansidhe taught OG!Molly magic. Not ideal.

Better to use them for political favors like getting on the Accords or as nuke threats.
Yog said:
Can a spirit be broken out of a fetish?
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They still exist in a coherent state. If you want to break them down for working materials that'd be a function of one of the other crafting charms.

Still not a great idea though. Those things don't need any more potential openings. At this stage of the war making sure they're gone is more important than trying to mad science them into something useful.
 
Things were too close to call for a bit there, but I think Yes has edged out the competition. :V
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jun 2, 2023 at 10:21 AM, finished with 66 posts and 26 votes.
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Earth-Destroyer said:
Best use I can think of for a favor is access to and protection, to and from, the magical places required for the Blessing spells.
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We can get a lot of those alone. For my part I'd save one as an oh shit button and spend the other on political assistance with our hell. Very careful political assistance.

We don't want to be seen as a vassal but getting introduced to the right people, invited to the right orgs, and having our name in the right heads would be good for all sorts of things. Also seems like something well within the scope of one favor.

… or we could go for broke and work up an alternative means to fill Winter's war requirements and try using our favors to compel internal change if we want to be spicy.
 
DragonParadox said:
I was going to say there are limits on what kind of spirit Emerald Spirit binding can bind but looking it up... there are not. If you can beat it up or endure its violent attentions for the time it takes to make the extended INT-Occult roll for up to 10 successes you can bind it, though powerful spirits require sturdier vessels.
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Except there are limits?
A sorcerer may keep as many bound spirits at a time as her Essence rating. Any spirit more powerful than a gaffling or jaggling is beyond the scope of this spell to bind.
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Earth-Destroyer said:
Devil-refining Cauldron the Infernal Fetich making charm does not have such a limit.
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Still requires you to contain it, and the final item is still breakable. Not worth it; just eat the things and make our items out of stuff that can't get lippy with us.
Fouredged Sword said:
The only problem is that, as far as I am aware, this actually requires us to consume the thing we are murdering to some degree. I am not sure I want to consume anything from outside. That seems like an exceptionally bad idea.
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MiM is an absolute effect that only applies when the other side had no ability to resist anymore. It's ground beef by the point where we actually get to it.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
The only problem is that, as far as I am aware, this actually requires us to consume the thing we are murdering to some degree. I am not sure I want to consume anything from outside. That seems like an exceptionally bad idea.
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Don't worry charms never hurt the Infernal unless stated.

Edit: When the other shoe drops it's always on the other person.
 
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DragonParadox said:
No, Nemesis is one, even in multiple bodies. It counts as one greater or many lesser, just like it can count as its victims or itself for the purposes of divination. He Who Walks Besides is a cheating cheater who cheats.
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Which then begs the question, what the hell will happen if you use a spirit killer on a Nemesis shard?
 
DragonParadox said:
I was going to say there are limits on what kind of spirit Emerald Spirit binding can bind but looking it up... there are not. If you can beat it up or endure its violent attentions for the time it takes to make the extended INT-Occult roll for up to 10 successes you can bind it, though powerful spirits require sturdier vessels.
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There are:

A sorcerer may keep as many bound spirits at a time as her Essence rating. Any spirit more powerful than a gaffling or jaggling is beyond the scope of this spell to bind.​

That's why Infernals can buy the superior Devil Refining Cauldron charm, which has no such restriction.
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Warn her that Nemesis will not go quietly and will try to harm its host as it is exorcised.
 
DragonParadox said:
"I Margaret Katherine Amanda Carpenter hereby consent to your use of enchantment to make me raise raise my hand to my nose for the purposes of demonstration if you can."
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I would have included a time limitation. As stated this allows Mab to force us to raise our hand to show her power over us at any time in the future.
 
You know... I know what we should burn out favor on.

We should just turn around and ask Mab and all those under her to cleave as closely to our morals as she can.

They won't compromise anything about their internal workings or their readiness to hold the outer gates... but everything else they do will have a "What would Molly do?" filter attached to it.
 
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Fouredged Sword said:
You know... I know what we should burn out favor on.

We should just turn around and ask Mab and all those under her to cleave as closely to our morals as she can.

They won't compromise anything about their internal workings or their readiness to hold the outer gates... but everything else they do will have a "What would Molly do?" filter attached to it.
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that would have...horrific wouldn't even cover it, consequences. The political shifts in Winter would echo throughout the world. While I admit that Winter doesn't need to be as cruel as it is now, we should be trying to change it slowly and carefully, not all at once.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
You know... I know what we should burn out favor on.

We should just turn around and ask Mab and all those under her to cleave as closely to our morals as she can.

They won't compromise anything about their internal workings or their readiness to hold the outer gates... but everything else they do will have a "What would Molly do?" filter attached to it.
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Too vague, you would need too many inhuman and sadistic and murderous things to spend a significant portion of their time trying to model a human in their head, it strikes against the 'proper functioning of the court' element. Also asking Mab, the Mother and the Lady to do so would damage their ability to take part in supernatural politics properly
 
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