Some exalts can do that at character generation in some cities when they have a circle with them. If the strongest vampire in your city is a combat focused methuselah good luck rolling a new character.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Some exalts can do that at character generation in some cities when they have a circle with them. If the strongest vampire in your city is a combat focused methuselah good luck rolling a new character.
Furthermore, being able to 1v1 murderfuck an elder vampire to death does not mean you can automatically take over the infrastructure and institutions that it has been keeping running, or the alliances it has been maintaining.
Or intimidate or otherwise deter the enemies and rivals its been keeping at bay.
Personal combat power is not the only type of power there is.
Or intimidate or otherwise deter the enemies and rivals its been keeping at bay.
Personal combat power is not the only type of power there is.
To my mind, it's the way it does it.
When you take a love potion, you can and will subconsciously resist, even if it damages your mind to do so. There's still a level of choice there.
With VEE, there's no spending Willpower, or resistance, or even awareness even at the most basic level. Your mind and will simply become part of a process, a prop in a play someone else has written the ending of as all existence along with everyone in it contorts itself to fit. You never even had the chance to make a choice on any level.
Even with mind control, you're still treated as if you have a mind someone has to control to compromise your free will. With VEE, you're reduced to being even less than that, your mind simply isn't treated as existing in the first place.
And that's why you have Spawning Pit Sanctification. For when you need something as powerful the vampire prince to run the City after you defeat the prince. Never missing recycling should be the defining virtue of the Hell of Burrowing Maggots.
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Eh, there are plenty of cases where mortals do not get the ability to spent willpower because they do not understand how to resist. VEE's control is much more broad, but in some ways far less absolute. I would argue that it is the most analogous to how gods with the purview meddle with fate, which is a thing in this universe, per Gard saying Dresden was fated to die at the museum for instance.
Once Moly gets VEE use it around Odin, his reaction is sure to be interesting.
Eh, there are plenty of cases where mortals do not get the ability to spent willpower because they do not understand how to resist. VEE's control is much more broad, but in some ways far less absolute. I would argue that it is the most analogous to how gods with the purview meddle with fate, which is a thing in this universe, per Gard saying Dresden was fated to die at the museum for instance.
Once Moly gets VEE use it around Odin, his reaction is sure to be interesting.
I assumed that Fate is when the White God decides what is going to happen (and that doesn't meddle with free will because reasons/claimed omnipotence means I'm bigger than logic/hypocrisy/whatever), and lesser deities with the right portfolio like valkyries can perceive it, but have to directly intervene to change it. Gard didn't say 'Let Harry be saved', she had to go out and use other of her skills to implement it.
Since it's subjective, I want to know that he feels it's shameful. Because that's arguable, and he can have something far different as his most shameful secret.
It's a step towards expanding the Order into a Paranet. The Order right now is just barely past "an all-female self-protection club".
J did a stupid thing. He wants to try and atone, or at least repay us somehow. It's a good way to start establishing a wider social network.
And from objective perspective, assuming J isn't a mole for Emma-O (which is what I want to check with NWS) would be damn useful for the order.
Gard is not a divine enough to alter fate while at a distance is all I am going to say because we are getting close to spoiler town.
1)Its fairly unlikely that a fight between us and an elder vampire would result in living prisoners.
2)This isnt the Riddick universe. You dont keep what you kill.
There's a reason Lara Raith hid the fact that she defeated her father and is still ruling through him, because it does not automatically translate to control. Lots of people will challenge you and your control.
1)We've been part of Cauldron for maybe two months. Three at most.
We havent even had the time to introduce Rosie to them; we didnt consider it safe enough yet.
Might wanna slow your roll there.
2)Correction: We dont know how much culpability J had. However.
We would be explicitly using his acknowledged gratitude to push him into Cauldron.
Whether he or they like it or not.
3)NWS would not ping for his being a mole. Thats not what it does.
And it does nothing to check for if Emma-O or his agents recruit him later, either, or just followed him around.
After all, we only neutralized 2 of the 4 bakemono we know were in the city.
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
Did anyone ever followup on the other two bakemono that Kakuri's crew recruited?
Do we know what happened to them?
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Harry shot one the other ran into the Nevernever. The first might have been the lucky one given what area they were in
Oof.
A mortal human possessed by a demon of Kakuri in Faerie is going to have a very ungood time.
Briefly.
Still, no longer our problem.
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It can if we want it to. Lots of vampire types of you take them down with lethal damage just go into torper.
Or we could get crown of Fury and other charms in our favor hells. Lots of ways in there to incapacitate.
Once Moly gets VEE use it around Odin, his reaction is sure to be interesting.
Just to ask: How far would the spittake go?
Safe or practical for Rosie, a recovering drug addict teen mother-to-be with barely a dot in Oneiromancy, a fairly exotic Path, who has a ton of problems and doesn't much benefit from meeting them right now anyway, or is capable of bringing anything to the table on her own. Certainly not of giving shelter to others (one of the core duties of the order members).
We can push him to join, but we can't really make others accept him.
It would give us insight into his character and what he considers his greatest shame. Unless he's actually very honor-bound, I doubt "chose to save his own life in the face of certain doom for a chance to be with his love forever" would be it. Because that was a rational choice on his part.
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By the way are you against us having a real world nations population? Cause thats what yog has edited to his?
I'm not sure that the point is free wills absolute so much as its a universal fact which is a wide law of the universe to some degree with certain counters. Like you know gravity which can be fucked with to a degree with certain things.
By the way @DragonParadox you know you've said your totally against a multiverse. Are you also against time travel? Cause for one there is absolutely going to be a book about it as we know there is one book for every law of magic. Given time travel probably has flaws to it in universe and is likely not easy and we know demonreach was made with copious amounts of it.
[X] Suggest that J join the Order of the Cauldron and vouch for him
-[X] Use Naked Wicked Souls on him (supplemented by All Things Betray, and a relevant excellency) to gain better understanding of his character
-[X] Use Naked Wicked Souls on him (supplemented by All Things Betray, and a relevant excellency) to gain better understanding of his character
[X] Say nothing, he can handle himself
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In fairness to the hypocrisy comments Jim Butchers made it at least partly clear God isn't just the christian idea of them. Since they said stuff like random hindu tree can be holy and that they chose God in the series to be represented as something that we don't see the full picture of and only have small interpretations like the elephant parable who only ever sees one part of the elephant is something he said once. There's also this:
Jim: 7) You're assigning limits where there aren't any. In the Dresden Files universe, what changes really isn't the actual beings. It's our understanding of who and what they are.
Hes also said word of jim that the white god doesn't care about whether you worship him or not. Which you know in the religious works he certainly does.
So I doubt its a hostile takeover thing so much as people keep imagining God as certain things.
Given in quest that probably matters less since dp essentially is going to make some sort of canon for the quest. Just wanted to mention this. I doubt its hypocrisy so much as people keep attributing stuff to them. I sort of think you just have opinions on the God of real world religion rather than whatever they probably are here.
1) ExWoD Infernals meta is based on keeping what they kill. It's why they don't get spirit killers in canon only ways of capturing and enslaving spirits and why they get so many ways of turning others into mind controlled/influenced minions. That's the way they're designed to play.
And it's a quite hard to kill a vampire if you try not to, at least in WoD. If we refrain from doing Agg we're also quite capable of bearing someone unconscious long enough to throw them in a Spawning Pit, including Sidhe and Red Court vampires.
2) And Harry gets captured all the time, and it's completely SOP for the Reds and Blacks to try to kidnap and turn wizards. So it very much is a setting where you keep what you kill.
The good guys don't have the right tools for it, but Molly the Infernal Exalted doesn't use the good guys' toolbox.
I'm talking purely in Dresden Files, where there's apparently a cosmologically intended fate as well as a nigh omnipotent big G God who most highly prized free will. Those aren't compatible concepts. A God that creates fate isn't one who insists that free will is the highest virtue.
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I mean in fairness we've never actually gotten what the white god wants the most. We just know free will exists in the setting to a certain extent and thats important to some degree to the forces of the White God. Also we've gotten that the white God created the universe. We haven't got they've created everything.
"So, I once asked Jim about Outsiders and the White God and whether they are a part of His creation. His response: "Gee, that sounds like an inconsistency." So, it seems like the Outsider/White God relationship will be addressed in the future."
Edit: Also we've never gotten that there is a cosmologically intended fate in the world just that fate exists. Anything more than that is headcanon. Also if we're talking about that in the sense of the abrahamic planTM we've been told and shown that not everything said by those books is true in the dresden universe and that the mortals can have an incomplete or incorrect picture on things.
Edit2: Heck we've not even been told their omnipotent omnipotent bat shittingly powerful yes, universe creator yes, omnipotent that we don't know. We are certain enough they didn't create everything at the very least.
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In order to make sure our meeting with Mab starts off on the right foot we need to make proper ontrays. And when I say proper I mean that the Red Dogs are going to be amazingly happy because 10 successes isn't good enough and they get to eat all the failures. We want 15 success ontrays something amazing enough that Mab feels in our debt just from tasting them.
And it is going to take many tries because cooking is very far from Mechanics and our (dex/Int) + (Craft-2) only equals 5 dots which we double with the excellency to 10 dice add in cold and we have 12 total dice. Since we are going for more successes then we are rolling dice the DC reductions don't matter that much even though we have alot of them.
Fortunatly TTC means that we cook at super speed so multiple attempts is more limited by our essence spending then cook time. Well CSR and RVD means that the essence isn't that much of a bottleneck either.
So basically Molly locks herself into the kitchen until she makes finger food that people are willing to give up fingers to eat.
And it is going to take many tries because cooking is very far from Mechanics and our (dex/Int) + (Craft-2) only equals 5 dots which we double with the excellency to 10 dice add in cold and we have 12 total dice. Since we are going for more successes then we are rolling dice the DC reductions don't matter that much even though we have alot of them.
Fortunatly TTC means that we cook at super speed so multiple attempts is more limited by our essence spending then cook time. Well CSR and RVD means that the essence isn't that much of a bottleneck either.
So basically Molly locks herself into the kitchen until she makes finger food that people are willing to give up fingers to eat.
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