It is a flanderising example from my side because dude was making very definitive statements.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Angels arent nationstates.
Even the Fallen arent nationstates, for all their power. Lucifer's Hell is, but Hell doesnt get to act in the world without Heaven taking counteraction.
There are individual entities with the power of nationstates.
Drakul. Ferrovax.Pyrovax. Donal Vadderung. The Archive. The unnamed shapeshifting lord out in Ukraine.
Most of them are freeholding lords under the Accords.
PANACEA PIPE
Silver-engraved drawings of medicinal herbs cover the fine green glass of this hookah. Despite its fragile appearance, it's as strong as good bronze. Loaded with the proper combination of herbs depicted on the outside and lit with five motes, the hookah heals diseases. Each combination of herbs heals a different sickness, and many herbs are rare and expensive. Finding the proper combination and ingredients to heal a given disease requires research and exploration. With the right herbs lit, up to fi ve people can smoke
from the hookah and be healed of the specific disease. The pipe can cure even supernatural diseases, all the way up to the Great Contagion.
This is a very potent effect. The ability to cure the Great Contagion pushes it toward the fi ve-dot level, but the limitation on how many people it can cure and the necessity to acquire the right ingredients and recipes triggers adventures—enough to push it down to Artifact 4.
Silver-engraved drawings of medicinal herbs cover the fine green glass of this hookah. Despite its fragile appearance, it's as strong as good bronze. Loaded with the proper combination of herbs depicted on the outside and lit with five motes, the hookah heals diseases. Each combination of herbs heals a different sickness, and many herbs are rare and expensive. Finding the proper combination and ingredients to heal a given disease requires research and exploration. With the right herbs lit, up to fi ve people can smoke
from the hookah and be healed of the specific disease. The pipe can cure even supernatural diseases, all the way up to the Great Contagion.
This is a very potent effect. The ability to cure the Great Contagion pushes it toward the fi ve-dot level, but the limitation on how many people it can cure and the necessity to acquire the right ingredients and recipes triggers adventures—enough to push it down to Artifact 4.
The common cold is made up up of several thousand different virus, each are different and completely separate as far as the immune system.
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[] Do not promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago
I will wait until the QM is back online to get some clarification on how this interacts with other promises to other supernaturals.
But promises that impinge on supernatural business can be weighty.
Breaking faith can destroy your credibility totally; this was in part how Mab destroyed Nicodemus in Skin Game.
[] Do not promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago
I will wait until the QM is back online to get some clarification on how this interacts with other promises to other supernaturals.
But promises that impinge on supernatural business can be weighty.
Breaking faith can destroy your credibility totally; this was in part how Mab destroyed Nicodemus in Skin Game.
So the pipe is just an application mechanism. The herbs are the ones actually Curing it. So a mortal could potentially make medicine out of those as well. That is just a magical version of medicine.
Yet it doesn't cure cancer. So it's not a real pancea.
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I said size not projection power. Also Lucifer's apparently a corporate officer for a big corporation to hades small business ceo. As far as analogies go for this. not very important for this conversation just wanted to mention it. Of course that probably means in this au he has a hell as compared to whatever it means in canon with archangels being multiversal that probably means he's out there corrupting as many worlds as he can or something else who knows. In canon.
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[X] Promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago in exchange for Murphy listening to your advice in such matters carefully
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
[X] Promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago in exchange for Murphy listening to your advice in such matters carefully
We might not tell Murphy everything but I fully support giving her a cliff notes version of a hell of a lot even when she doesn't ask and when its not urgent. She deserves to have her eyes wide open in regard to most things, she should be able to meet and be on speaking terms with most things.
Not be treated like a mushroom: Kept in the dark and fed shit.
If she needs an in with the supernatural grapevine, barring a few blind spots we kinda have to maintain, we are that 'in'. We'll make power point presentations and excel graphs if she wants it. We want to see her effective, powerful, prestigious, while staying who she is. Welcome to Wolfram and Hart.
We might not tell Murphy everything but I fully support giving her a cliff notes version of a hell of a lot even when she doesn't ask and when its not urgent. She deserves to have her eyes wide open in regard to most things, she should be able to meet and be on speaking terms with most things.
Not be treated like a mushroom: Kept in the dark and fed shit.
If she needs an in with the supernatural grapevine, barring a few blind spots we kinda have to maintain, we are that 'in'. We'll make power point presentations and excel graphs if she wants it. We want to see her effective, powerful, prestigious, while staying who she is. Welcome to Wolfram and Hart.
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[X] Promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago in exchange for Murphy listening to your advice in such matters carefully
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[X] Promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago in exchange for Murphy listening to your advice in such matters carefully
-[X] I will be involved in a diplomatic meeting at some point between now and Halloween. I do not expect trouble from the person I am meeting with for anybody except me worst case scenario. I am less certain about potential third parties once the day is set, or their retinue in the event they bring one. Eavesdropping on the meeting is likely to end horrifically for anybody involved. The most I can say is beyond staying away from the meeeting when it happens is to be alert for weirdness when the date is set. In the meantime, I need to see what booking Mac's Pub costs.
This way we can say we didn't tell Murphy or the LOC we were meeting Mab and keep to the spirit of the promise with Murphy. We also made no promise of secrecy to Mab.
-[X] I will be involved in a diplomatic meeting at some point between now and Halloween. I do not expect trouble from the person I am meeting with for anybody except me worst case scenario. I am less certain about potential third parties once the day is set, or their retinue in the event they bring one. Eavesdropping on the meeting is likely to end horrifically for anybody involved. The most I can say is beyond staying away from the meeeting when it happens is to be alert for weirdness when the date is set. In the meantime, I need to see what booking Mac's Pub costs.
This way we can say we didn't tell Murphy or the LOC we were meeting Mab and keep to the spirit of the promise with Murphy. We also made no promise of secrecy to Mab.
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slenderman1942
Jungle Tyrant
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you know, i dont know whether it would be a mercy or a slow death sentence, but it is theoretically possible to awaken Murphy to her Essence, I wonder if we should.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
[X] Promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago in exchange for Murphy listening to your advice in such matters carefully
Also here are some pictures to help visualize what Undertown actually looks like. At least before we started work on it.
It's easy to see why monsters would take shelter here.
Also here are some pictures to help visualize what Undertown actually looks like. At least before we started work on it.
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- Brazil
Uju as much as you enjoy exposing Mab's Importance (and power and cunning and etc) please do not make statements that sound so abosultist and false, the head of the greatest supernatural nation-state is the White God (as far as we know), he may not move but Heaven still obeys his orders. And Lucifer and Hell and others we don't know.
The issue I think is that Winter is just the greatest that has the most freedom to move around on earth these days, after all if Heaven is constrained by free will, Hell that every action taken allows equal retaliation from Heaven, etc.
Not to mention that we know nothing of the depths of the NeverNever, where I'm sure there are realms ruled by beings from the Level of Mother Winter and Summer, where they are so powerful that they cannot enter reality as their mere presence would begin to damage the world.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
I actually wonder if the fairy courts are similarly constrained. That is to say ever action winter does in the world opens up summer to make an opposing action. Not said in books directly by there are a lot of lines that imply it and the fairies don't like to talk about their limits.
The promise at the time was understood to be Inner Devils Unchained. That was the vote. The given options were explicitly" buy Inner Devils Unchained now and use it on her" and "reject her offer". The vote that won was "wait until Christmas so she can make a better informed decision after we train her up". The context makes it quite clear that this was about inner devils.
We need Alchemy 4 much sooner, to pair with Maggot Mana Plague for three reasons:
1) supplying our whampire minions with power without consequence
2) Turning our fledge whampires into something new
3) Getting our own jade talisman analogue (MMP + MiM if that works)
And even if it's six months, so what? Six months in real life is nothing.
Ok? How is this a counter-argument? The argument and proposal was "if you and any of your subordinates actually want to dive deeper into the supernatural, I am here and will be able to help". If they don't want it, they don't want it.
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- Germany
[X] Promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago in exchange for Murphy listening to your advice in such matters carefully
At least a vague outline shouldn't be problem.
It's very unlikely that someone can use the knowledge that Mab will visit soon against us or her, even if someone were to rip it from Murphy's brain.
At least a vague outline shouldn't be problem.
It's very unlikely that someone can use the knowledge that Mab will visit soon against us or her, even if someone were to rip it from Murphy's brain.
I reiterate, we should introduce the Order to Murphy and vice-versa. SI hotline should be on all the order members' speed dial, and SI should be using Order's services and street information. Currently Murphy has an equivalent of an army military base (Dresden) and a nuclear launch site (us) contacts. She needs to have on-the-street eyes and informants. MInor talents can be policed, if correct connection to the community is established. SI probably can deal with a lot of minor stuff on the streets, like pixies, very minor hauntings and magic-assisted law (small L) breaking (shoplifting under veils, for example) if properly briefed, equipped, and actually informed about the incidents.
While it is true that many supernaturals are bound to their word Molly is not for the same reason she is not the least impeded by thresholds, at some level she is not running on the rules of this universe thanks to the reality engine in her soul. How you guys choose to use this subtle power and balance any promises you make is up to your votes, just keep in mind that the default cultural assumption of other supernaturals is that you are bound by your word.
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- Germany
I don't believe the Ordo Lebes would thank us for being know to the CPD.
To Murphy, maybe yes, but not to one of the most infamously bad and corrupt police departments in America.
I'm not saying we'd have to dissuade a cop shaking down minor practicioners for love potions when we look over the next time, but I'm not saying it won't happen either.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
This should also be their choice and not Mollys. Molly should not be making this kind of decisions for them.
I'd like to point out that "call the cops to scare off supernatural predators" is one of their established survival strategies
I am not talking about conscripting them. I am talking about giving them a police number where they can say "I think a whampire is stalking me", or "there's a bunch of pixies with knives near my door", or "I just witnessed what looks like a prep. for a necromantic ritual" without having to lie and invent stuff, and the threat would be taken seriously and an informed force would be sent.
It should be put to vote (the order seems to be mostly democratic organization, in as much as they are an organization), but Molly is a full member of the order. She should be allowed to put proposals forward.
Point is, Order of Cauldron are basically the main demographic that SI should be involved in. They aren't because of issues with secrecy. We can facilitate a connection.
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- Germany
By default that's when they should either seek shelter with other members of the Order, call the Warden if they think it's big enough, or ask Molly or Lydia, their members capable of kicking vampire-teeth in.
And that's if the threat is big enough that they can't just give the police a mundane call to make them come over and scare off supernatural predators without actually having to tell them what's really going on.