And none of that is impressive to an exalted Molly can just turn out true panacea's that cure every disease and illness. Exalted don't just discover the laws of reality they can alter them.
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That's not my point. I just don't feel like promising nebulous resources right now is conducive to a good working relationship. Better to agree to her request and let the matter lie until we can actually provide those resources. Then we can freely offer them up as a surprise rather than treating them like a payment for her cooperation.
Murphy is probably sensitive to the possibility of corruption, true or merely perceived, so your plan has a good chance of rubbing her the wrong way.
No they couldn't. Even the solar deliberate at it's height didn't have panceas. You are so highly overestimating solars it's not even funny. All exalted together may be able to alter reality. A random solar isn't likely to do it.
I don't want them to be a surprise at all. Moreover, I don't want her to be the only one empowered. It would take time to assemble a core group of SI that can be trusted before we even start thinking of providing them with anything.
I also think Molly is good enough for this not to seem like a bribe.
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[X] Promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago in exchange for Murphy listening to your advice in such matters carefully
[x] Promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago in exchange for Murphy listening to your advice in such matters carefully
-[x]No Additional Promises like material upgrades for SI
[x] Promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago in exchange for Murphy listening to your advice in such matters carefully
-[x]No Additional Promises like material upgrades for SI
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to be fair, reality in exalted didn't work like it does in DF/WoD/IRL
Even with that some WoD/CoD book addresses exactly that point. Basically, there are so many mortals that some of them roll all 10s once in a while. Also, do take into consideration that modern IRL science basically diverged/evolved from magic and alchemy itself.
yeah, it was hundreds of celestials+thousands of DB+gods+elementals supported by huge magitech industry. Even then it was not "change how Creation as a whole works" but experiments with malleable parts of reality already saurated with chaos or terraforming the aforementioned chaos with magitech and high level charms.
Exalt vs single mortal =/= Exalt vs group of mortals.
Thats not actually true. Not in Exalted 2E, at least.
A bog standard heroic mortal in Ex2 with Attribute 5, Ability 5 and no stunt or tool/environment bonuses, or supernatural intervention of any kind can in theory rack up 20 successes if they roll all 10s.
Its very low likelihood, but it is possible.
And Im not aware of any such caps in WoD either.
I suspect you were misled.
Sure.
As I understand it, that stuff is mostly still in its infancy.
In Ex2 five mortals with sledgehammers could feasibly kill a newbie Solar without a surprise negator.
And mortals in Autochtonia could do things that Solars couldnt, like making new Alchemical Exalts specifically because it was denied to them by Autobot.
Even the mightiest works of Exalted artifice in 2E involved hundreds or thousands of people.
Keep this in mind. Exalted supremacy is not absolute, and has never been.
They are Mighty. Not Almighty.
Google told me 10 tons and lower, so I used the cap.
I mean, the hit was big enough to flatten trees half a mile away from the impact point.
I dont want to track down a calculator to do the math, but thats a fuckton of boom. Especially since atmospheric friction allegedly slows most impactors down to ~Mach 3 before they experience terminal lithobraking.
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I don't think mortals get double successes on 10s.
Edit: Only heroic mortals do. Not bog standard. In fact there should not be any such thing as a bog standard heroic mortal.
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Respectfully Yog, while we generally end up on opposite sides of this argument, you do engage in good faith.
So what are you promising?
IC, we have Alchemy 2 and Craft 3.
We dont have Exalted Crafting. We dont have Enchantment 5/6, or Alchemy 5/6, or Fortune Path.
We dont have any of the bakemono charms. We have 1x Ancient Sorcery spell. We dont have a firm timeline for any of that stuff.
So what precisely are you promising?
Never mind that we actually have unmet commitments we havent actually fulfilled right now.
From our circlemate to our minions to Odin to even Olivia.
Or the fact that Murphy is a police officer, she doesnt set policy for CPD SI, let alone the Chicago Police department itself.
She cannot make binding agreements for SI. She cant set policy for them.
If she gets tossed out on her ear, like did happen in canon, any agreements she made are not binding on her successor.
Dont make open-ended promises you have no idea if/when you can keep them.
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Remember that for supernaturals, your Word is important.
People dont make or imply promises lightly, because they are considered binding.
Be careful about what commitments you bind yourself to.
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[x] Promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago in exchange for Murphy listening to your advice in such matters carefully
-[x]No Additional Promises like material upgrades for SI
-[x]No Additional Promises like material upgrades for SI
Good night guys, see you in the morning.
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[X] Promise to give a heads up of any major supernatural happening in Chicago in exchange for Murphy listening to your advice in such matters carefully
[X] Offer to explore the possibilities of expanding SI's power. You might not be able to help now, but if there are those among SI and other police departments who are willing in fighting the good fight, you will be able to provide them the means of doing so in time. From training and equipment, both mundane and supernatural, to things more esoteric in nature.
-[X] You can and do appreciate the concepts of the law and order, and would help in expanding their reach.
[X] Offer to explore the possibilities of expanding SI's power. You might not be able to help now, but if there are those among SI and other police departments who are willing in fighting the good fight, you will be able to provide them the means of doing so in time. From training and equipment, both mundane and supernatural, to things more esoteric in nature.
-[X] You can and do appreciate the concepts of the law and order, and would help in expanding their reach.
We promised Olivia a chance at Inner Devils by Christmas. This might be obsoleted by contacting her divine ancestor for a power up, but the promise is there.
We are all but guaranteed to be buying alchemy 4, which should be enough for healthy super steroids and combat drugs if we want to go that way. We can manufacture lore accurate KITT equivalent cars right now. We can train people in Melee combat at 15+ successes per session, meaning that we are likely the greatest martial arts teacher in the world (and there are magical martial arts fit for mortals).
I will leave the kingdom resources out of it.
I am promising support in the future. If Murphy wants it. I want her to think about it. Does she want to go deeper? Does she want her department to go deeper or to stick to more mundane side of the divide?
Essentially, by promising to provide options for power ups in some unspecified future, I am asking Murphy if she wants to fully jump into the supernatural side.
Oadenol's Codex Panacea pipe an artifact that turn herbs into smoke to heal a disease. 4-5 dot
Core book 2e seven bounty paste 3 dot pretty much cures any illness.
Curing the common cold is 1 dot effect under alchemy. That makes 2 dots alchemy able cure basically any none magical disease.
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Contagion says otherwise, or whatever that plagues name was. Pancea is very big claim.
So can medicine, most is not all.
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Here's a quote from Michael Goodwin who's been around for 1e and 2e stuff as a writer. As for 3e, access to Solar Circle workings can let you subtly alter the laws of metaphysics for the entire cosmos, but you'd need 75 successes and that doesn't include resurrection or time travel(I have no idea how significant or otherwise 75 successes is in a 3e canon context).
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do you mean WoD alchemy? cuz in wod the most powerful diseases (as well as bioweapons) do 'enjoy' an exemption from being cured by low level 'spells'. Example would be level 1 were-cat spell that cures diseases, but explicitly not incurable ones. Pretty sure those things are directly under Wyrm patronage.
Also, Kuei-Jin also have easy to make paste that cures infectious diseases. They need it to not spread diseases when Yang imbalanced.
The pipe can cure the Great Contagion just fine. Also the GC was and made by a Deathlord AKA a fallen exalted empowered by the neverborn, and the deathlord keep their stats, so even that is a showcasing of exalted talent reminder the GC had a 99% kill rate with only the 1% only surviving because the other deathlords sabotaged the GC by inviting the Fey into creation. For comparison the most deadly natural disease ever only killed about 60%.
Medicine can to exactly nothing to the common cold, even today virus are almost untouchable. Molly with 6 hours can turn out a potion that does.
Dude never had a an artillery company open up on his exalt if he thinks they can't exceed artifacts or nukes or the many possible mundane weapons like nicol Dyson beam.Here's a quote from Michael Goodwin who's been around for 1e and 2e stuff as a writer. As for 3e, access to Solar Circle workings can let you subtly alter the laws of metaphysics for the entire cosmos, but you'd need 75 successes and that doesn't include resurrection or time travel(I have no idea how significant or otherwise 75 successes is in a 3e canon context).
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I need a citation for that it can cure the Great Contagion, because that makes a mockery of the deathlords plans. If an artifact, even a rare one can cure their disease.
No, I am saying Curing a a few Disease is not a pancea, most is not all.
And any mortal could do the alchemy so it's not like exalted have any particular claims on being better than mortals there.
So by that logic mortals have created pancea as well, so my point of individual mortal skills often being better than an exalt still stands.
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=Worth remembering that while Karrin might be a pain, Molly does have good reason to be well disposed towards her.
I wonder what she thought about seeing Last Station partly renovated, an oasis of light and phone service in Undertown.
Or meeting Porter. An Interlude from her PoV would be amusing.
=Lol Porter and fart jokes. I wonder who the late warden was.
=So we win the argument. Better. At least she still has some sense of self-preservation.
More interesting is the discovery that Murphy has Willpower 8.
Thats very good for a mortal. Unless she has an Intimacy in play there.
=The problem with this promise is that there are times when it will conflict with promises to other people.
I mean, we've promised to call on Mab in a couple weeks, and there is no bigger potential trouble source I can think of than the Queen of Air and Darkness, head of state of the largest supernatural power in Creation, coming to Chicago.
By the spirit of this promise, we're obliged to tell Murphy.
Would Mab want that known?
Can Murphy guarantee that noone will get it out of her if we tell her?
Also worth remembering that Chinese/Asian Mummies are a thing.
And, in conjunction with other shen, its kinda their job as handed down by The Eight Immortals to forestall and oppose the machinations of the Yama Kings on Earth.
The Yama Kings have a lot of opposition.
=We promised Olivia something, not necessarily Inner Devils Unchained.
Her ancestor has promised her nothing, and there is no guarantee that he'd even be able to do so depending on the Rules.
Let alone do so without a cost to her.
=Alchemy 4 eventually, yes. But not necessarily in the next six months. Alchemical potions arent stable indefinitely either, and they cost money and presumably AP to make in quantity. There's a reason we arent currently supplying the Jade Dogs or Cauldron with all this stuff routinely for their own protection, and we have already made promises to them.
=These are cops, many of them older, many with families.
Most of them do not have the time or inclination to suddenly enroll in melee fighting programs.
Especially since you dont want to get into melee fights with supernaturals.
=Shih martial arts take years of dedicated training for mortals to learn. Molly doing it in weeks is because she is an Exalt.
Thats why the normal practitioners are monks who started learning in childhood.
We have no training charms that apply to teaching them.
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You are making commitments we have no realistic way of keeping IC at this time.
And the things we can currently offer, we either cant offer them in quantity, or cant offer them at all at this time.
Never mind the wisdom part. We are just currently incapable of offering it.
Dont offer promises you cannot currently keep.
In the supernatural world, that stuff makes it harder for you to perform future negotiations, and word always gets out.
Thats my current opinion.
My dude.
You cant just make stuff up and declare that its true.
Please make it clear when you are speaking your opinion, instead of citing mechanical facts.
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I mean I wouldn't say it's the largest simply cause we've not seen a lot of things that probably exist. Especially if you're including the nevernever in creation since the fae realms are explicitly close to earth in some fashion. There are probably bigger armies out there.
1)Citation needed. Because to my recollection? This is not true.
2)Deathlords were not Exalts. They are ghosts of dead exalts.
Ghost of Exalt =/= Exalt.
3)To my recollection, the Great Contagion was drawn from the Well of Urdr by the Dowager.
4)The Great Contagion had a 90% kill rate.
Not 99%.
Unlikely. Word of Jim is that Winter is the largest, most powerful supernatural single nationstate.
The one with the most allies as well.
There's a reason that Summer's rationale for existence is to counter Winter.
They arent the only nationstate, but they are the superpower everyone listens to for good reason.
In this AU, the Thousand Hells are also nationstates, but they are as much prisons as nations.
If their victims escape, their power collapses.
And that of their rulers.
Mab remains Mab.
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I mean in canon angels are apparently multiversal. So there is that. Well the archangels are at least. That suggests there is at least potentially bigger things out there.
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It could be that there would be other artifacts which could match or exceed that power, but are simply not used for one reason or another.
Alternatively, he could be referring just to personal weapons, which would exclude arty, nukes, or an NDB.
To be honest, I wouldn't consider an NDB a 'mundane' weapon anyway; not only is it a superweapon, full stop, it is capable of obliterating an entire planet. Furthermore, it's also a megastructure, and thus would require a truly titanic undertaking to construct.
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