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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Xexilf said:
Yes. Halloween isnt just "they can die" its a more general "they can change". So while under normal conditions they cant die, take permanent damage or lose power, they cant really gain power or otherwise permanently improve either, unless they do it on halloween or other such thing. Meaning many are active there, despite the threat, to feed/steal power/etc.
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Yeah I know I remembered that just can't remember the specific wording it's probably somewhat vague though.

Edit: I hope Halloween stuff applies to Yama kings and other future world of darkness stuff. For good and ill.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
Arawn managed to give the Mantle of the Eldest Ankou to a human, not on Halloween or near the Stone Table.
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firefrog600 said:
It's probably safe to assume there are exceptions to rules. Fairly sure that's even true to Dresden files at least occasionally.
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Also that Mantle had been tampered with. Molly knows that for sure given what he used to do the transfer was in no way fey magic

Good night guys, see you tomorrow as the vampire containment team rolls up to Harry Dresden's front door and he has to face his greatest nemesis, being polite to authority figures :V
 
DragonParadox said:
Also that Mantle had been tampered with. Molly knows that for sure given what he used to do the transfer was in no way fey magic

Good night guys, see you tomorrow as the vampire containment team rolls up to Harry Dresden's front door and he has to face his greatest nemesis, being polite to authority figures :V
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You know you say that now that I think about it you might be right.
 
[X] Do not make the promise, it is a power like any other, if something is dangerous enough, evil enough it should be destroyed, not for a season, not for a year, not for a century but forevermore
 
firefrog600 said:
Yeah I know I remembered that just can't remember the specific wording it's probably somewhat vague though.

Edit: I hope Halloween stuff applies to Yama kings and other future world of darkness stuff. For good and ill.
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IIRC wording was something like "on Halloween, the locked stasis of immortality becomes mutable"...

You know what, i try to track down the quote.

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Here:
"Why are they so worried?" I asked. "I mean, why not just not show up on Halloween night?"

"Because it's when they . . ." He made a frustrated noise. "It's hard to explain, because you don't have the right conceptual models. You can barely count to four dimensions."

"I think the math guys can go into the teens. Skip the insults and try."

"Halloween is when they feed," Bob said. "Or . . . or refuel. Or run free. It's all sort of the same thing, and I'm only conveying a small part of it. Halloween night is when the locked stasis of immortality becomes malleable. They take in energy—and it's when they can add new power to their mantle. Mostly they steal tiny bits of it from other immortals."

"Those Kemmlerite freaks and their Darkhallow," I breathed. "That was Halloween night."

"Exactly!" Bob said. "That ritual was supposed to turn one of them into an immortal. And the same rule applies—that's the only night of the year it actually can happen. I doubt all of them knew that it had to be that night. But I betcha Cowl did. Guy is seriously scary."

"Seriously in need of a body cast and a therapist, more like." I raked at my too-long, too-messy hair with my fingers, thinking. "So on Halloween, they're here? All of them?"

"Any who are . . . The only word I can come close with is 'awake.' Immortals aren't always moving through the time stream at the same rate as the universe. From where you stand, it looks like they're dormant. They aren't. You just can't perceive the true state of their existence properly."
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So immortals are extra twitchy on Halloween so it is a good idea to wear a scary costume because they don't want to risk it.
 
uju32 said:
If we're committing to building Potter a train, we're absolutely going to need Exalted Crafting AND Ancient Sorcery.
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I don't agree, at all. While it would be nice, it's not needed. Real life armored trains have more than enough both armor and weaponry. We could and should buy an old and broken train and repair it, and upgrade it. A train with 20cars costs around 6 million dollars, according to this one source I was able to find. If we limit it to at most 4 cars, and buy an old and rusted train, I am fairly sure the cost will be well below a million, which we should be able to afford in several months.
 
[X] Promise to exercise caution in the use of Murder is Meat

Pretty much what was already said.
We are not promising not to use it, I would not support that, but to carefully think before destroying a soul generally seems like a good idea.
 
The true solution is to whenever we interact with enemies to play up us not wanting our family involved. That way when they inevitably kidnap them they don't check their minds!
 
[x] You cannot promise not to use it at all, Emma-O will know you can do it anyway, so hiding it completely is impossible. You can however agree that it isn't something to use at all occasions, those that are concerned will indeed fear it and showing them that true death is not the only thing a fight against you will bring will make you less ennemies.
 
[X] Do not make the promise, it is a power like any other, if something is dangerous enough, evil enough it should be destroyed, not for a season, not for a year, not for a century but forevermore
 
Nyarky said:
Frankly, most of your post sounds like edgy bullshit to me, this probably wasn't your intent, but it definitely is how it came out.
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Ugh, yeah, a solid bit of it is still leftover salt from getting repeatedly schooled in social combat by Mrs. I Spend Willpower On Every Roll.

I do genuinely believe that- no matter how reasonable a promise she's asking for, and no matter how valid her feelings are, we should not be making promises as a general policy, and reassuring her is just not capital-I Important enough to warrant breaking that policy.

I'm well aware such a policy doesn't actually exist; I just really think it should.
BronzeTongue said:
There's a lot you can accuse Charity of, but cowardice isn't really one of them. She was willing to storm Arctis Tor with a mortal grade warhammer to get her daughter back and that is far from the only time she's done something like that.
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There is not a single crisis or immediately-present threat in the face of which Charity will ever back down, no.

There is also not a single vague, long-term threat in the face of which Charity will not hide in a hole and try to drag everyone she cares about into the hole with her, there to stay indefinitely.

The fact that doing so worked- she did successfully get rid of her own magical talent, and eliminated the threat of "I'm a valuable prize, sacrifice, and/or reagent to any number of malicious practitioners" in the process- is perhaps the greatest tragedy of her life; she has fully internalized that if you keep your head down, danger won't come find you.

She won't ever back down from confronting evil or danger when presented with it, no. But she won't ever stop trying to avoid its notice, either, nor trying to suppress all her loved ones in the same way.

I don't really agree with a number of her positions or methods, but it's worth acknowledging that most of her concerns have some legitimate basis with the information she actually has available.

She isn't actually wrong here either
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She really isn't, no. Her concerns are legit, she's asking for a reasonable thing, I just don't agree with making commitments- whatever commitments, no matter how reasonable- for such a petty thing as one woman's reassurance.
 
I really do not see the problem. We are not promising not to use it, only that we will be careful while doing so.
 
thepsyborg said:
There is not a single crisis or immediately-present threat in the face of which Charity will ever back down, no.

There is also not a single vague, long-term threat in the face of which Charity will not hide in a hole and try to drag everyone she cares about into the hole with her, there to stay indefinitely.

The fact that doing so worked- she did successfully get rid of her own magical talent, and eliminated the threat of "I'm a valuable prize, sacrifice, and/or reagent to any number of malicious practitioners" in the process- is perhaps the greatest tragedy of her life; she has fully internalized that if you keep your head down, danger won't come find you.

She won't ever back down from confronting evil or danger when presented with it, no. But she won't ever stop trying to avoid its notice, either, nor trying to suppress all her loved ones in the same way.
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She fully accepts her husband being a Knight of the Cross, one of the most important fully mortal actors in the supernatural world.
Just because we as a seventeen-year-old don't have the same basis of absolute trust yet doesn't mean that Charity only has one mode of action.
 
Wwind said:
isn't mortal soul in DF basically a deathless spirit?
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Yes, but it is not bound to the world, well unless we are talking about someone like the Corpsetaker who binds the soul to the mortal realm, otherwise when you kill someone the soul slips right out and to wherever souls go

Artemis1992 said:
She fully accepts her husband being a Knight of the Cross, one of the most important fully mortal actors in the supernatural world.
Just because we as a seventeen-year-old don't have the same basis of absolute trust yet doesn't mean that Charity only has one mode of action.
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There is also the fact that she has more faith in God than in whatever strange fire and shadow screwiness Molly found under Queen Mab's couch.

Worth keeping in mind that Molly has been at this for moths and she come up with a new crazy thing every few weeks.
 
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