Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

That is when you notice the bowl of Hygeia has rather more symbols around its brim than usual, which is to say any symbols at all and the serpent of Epidaurus also has some oddly shaped scales, a spell of preservation. On its own that would have been mildly impressive, a proper enchantment, but it does not work independently of the function of the portable fridge, rather it enhances it from the realms of the physical into the spiritual.
This is solid confirmation that the Library of Congress has Rhampire assets, or at least thinks they do. I'll just assume any Rhampires in their service are double agents working for the Red Court.

It's otherwise doubtful they would have the inclination to invest the time and resources into creating something like this and having them readily available enough for a prisoner transport in the mid-west.
 
This is solid confirmation that the Library of Congress has Rhampire assets, or at least thinks they do. I'll just assume any Rhampires in their service are double agents working for the Red Court.

It's otherwise doubtful they would have the inclination to invest the time and resources into creating something like this and having them readily available enough for a prisoner transport in the mid-west.
Maybe they have been capturing a good deal of Reds and Blacks over the last few decades?
 
It's not just the fact that they're keeping blood cold to preserve it, or that they have some means to keep it magically fresh for Vampire consumption, that is surprising, but rather that they've combined the two methods, technology and magic, into a single working device.

And not only that, they have produced enough of them that one could be made easily available for a transport van in the Mid-West US with less than 24 hours notice. That means it's probably not a one-off product of some mad inventor. They have gone through the expense of developing and producing a very niche product, and I doubt it is for the transport and comfortable captivity of Vampire prisoners.

The effort, in time, resources, and logistical headaches doesn't seem worth it, not unless the ability to keep captive Vampires from starving is just a happy benefit of a more significant program, such as one intended to feed your own Vampire operatives.
 
Porter compared his possession to the cyber devils since that is what she saw you interact with. Howeever that does not mean he is as weak as them. He is powerful enough to posses a train as long as it is in or near the Last Station.
I'll get back to you on this, because I am going to need clarification on the limits.
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Vans with treated windows speaks to a need to transport prisoners with vulnerabilities to sunlight.
Which suggests Reds, Blacks, and certain kinds of fae like hobs.

The fact that they call them fangs, and have facilities for preserving magically fresh blood speaks to experience with Red Court/Black Court vampires as prisoners at least. Which makes sense, given all the Reds both across the border in Mexico, and in the US itself. Also means that they lack experience with Jades or akuma.

That collar may not be enough to kill a lesser akuma with Demon Shintai 3(+Sta 2, + Str 2, + Dex 1, 3x Aspects), Iron Mountain 2(soak DC reduction), Blood Shintai 1(soak DC reduction) and Bone Shintai 1(+6HP). Disregarding any Investments.
Assuming they have the chi to activate it after getting mauled by Molly. Which these probably dont. Probably.

I guess the agents will learn whether its enough.

Edinburgh liaison? So they have formal relations with the White Council, up to and including envoys. Worth knowing.
Also worth knowing that Harry knew fuckall about this despite being responsible for half of the continental US.
Man needs to get better at the politics side of the job.

Nine Library field agents = Nine Crown foci.
That in and of itself makes this worth Molly's while if she chooses to take a closer look at the Library.
Whether or not they want her to.

Bowl of Hygeia. Serpent of Epidaurus. Whoever is making their gear comes from a Greco-Roman magical tradition.
Which localizes their tradition's origin to southern Europe and the Mediterranean, instead of Northern Europe like if it was calling on Celtic and Norse references.

This is the second instance pointing at the European Med for the Library's origins. Agent Hyde's shoes were inscribed in Latin.
Im suspecting the indirect hand of the Archive here. No real evidence though.
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Molly at least should be able to get out of one of those collars. CCC enhances escape artist checks and she should even be able to soak the damage. Also I expect that the collars do lethal damage so if she doesn't soak it she can heal it quickly.
Molly doesnt have enough base soak to soak this without activating VLE and Steelskin.
She may have enough HP to shrug off the damage(we do need to max out our Ox Body, which we havent done yet).
And if there's fluid in perception range she could just duck out of the collar altogether.

What she actually needs is the control technology charm Electric Devil Caress, which is a 2 dot charm that allows you to destroy or Assume Direct Control all electronics in range.
Which would include the control mechanisms for bombs, electronic door locks, ECUs in cars, cellphones, security cameras, etc.

It's not just the fact that they're keeping blood cold to preserve it, or that they have some means to keep it magically fresh for Vampire consumption, that is surprising, but rather that they've combined the two methods, technology and magic, into a single working device.

And not only that, they have produced enough of them that one could be made easily available for a transport van in the Mid-West US with less than 24 hours notice. That means it's probably not a one-off product of some mad inventor. They have gone through the expense of developing and producing a very niche product, and I doubt it is for the transport and comfortable captivity of Vampire prisoners.

The effort, in time, resources, and logistical headaches doesn't seem worth it, not unless the ability to keep captive Vampires from starving is just a happy benefit of a more significant program, such as one intended to feed your own Vampire operatives.
Two words: Intelligence gathering.
Captive vampires provide significant amounts of intelligence, and are the commonest supernatural they can probably get ahold of and contain safely.

Im not saying they dont deal with Rampires, or have Rampire agents; just like us in Cleveland, there are situations where there is a common enemy. Just that the intelligence alone would be worth the trouble for an organization whose raison d'etre is information gathering, preservation and destruction.

And ultimately, its not that large an investment; this is an Enchantment 1/2 effect.
And one that probably has applications elsewhere, including in things like preserving blood for transfusions, or extending the shelf-life of alchemical potions.
 
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. Also means that they lack experience with Jades or akuma.
They knew enough to ask about them being Greater or Lesser Akuma:
It only takes you about a minute to unceremoniously entomb the body of the lesser Akuma under concrete for later, by the time you are done the lieutenant is still on the phone. "Yeah he's agreed to hold them... He's sure... That's right lesser, I have Harry's conformation and..." she looks over at you and Lydia, not quite sure if she should be giving teenagers as her sources, but eventually she does so.
SO while they might be lacking in practical experience, they definitly have lore on them.
That collar may not be enough to kill a lesser akuma with Demon Shintai 3(+Sta 2, + Str 2, + Dex 1, 3x Aspects), Iron Mountain 2(soak DC reduction), Blood Shintai 1(soak DC reduction) and Bone Shintai 1(+6HP). Disregarding any Investments.
Assuming they have the chi to activate it after getting mauled by Molly. Which these probably dont. Probably.
Regular Wan Kuei take 3 rounds to enter Demon Shintai and they also have to take multiple rounds to spend enough Chi to get all 6 HL from Bone Shintai.

I think any careful observer would manage to blow their head off before they could fully buff.
And as you say, they won't be running on a full tank here.
Bowl of Hygeia. Serpent of Epidaurus. Whoever is making their gear comes from a Greco-Roman magical tradition.
Which localizes their tradition's origin to southern Europe and the Mediterranean, instead of Northern Europe like if it was calling on Celtic and Norse references.
We already guessed that from Agent Hyde's latin-inscribed shoes.

And Trier is a city of the former Roman Empire as well, though near the northern borders, just in case Andrea's name turns out to matter.
 
Two words: Intelligence gathering.
Captive vampires provide significant amounts of intelligence, and are the commonest supernatural they can probably get ahold of and contain safely.

Im not saying they dont deal with Rampires, or have Rampire agents; just like us in Cleveland, there are situations where there is a common enemy. Just that the intelligence alone would be worth the trouble for an organization whose raison d'etre is information gathering, preservation and destruction.

And ultimately, its not that large an investment; this is an Enchantment 1/2 effect.
And one that probably has applications elsewhere, including in things like preserving blood for transfusions, or extending the shelf-life of alchemical potions.
If you only need to keep them fed long enough to extract any useful information they might have, you don't need a complicated logistics setup involving magic-tech blood preservation. There are plenty of sources of Human blood that can be had fresh and on short notice for limited periods of time before the hassle gets to be too much and suspicions start being raised.

But when you want to maintain Vampires long-term, that's when it becomes more practical to develop this sort of setup. Of course, the Vampire operatives themselves probably wouldn't mind just sourcing their own food. When you're trying not to attract attention, however, it's best not to start dropping exsanguinated bodies when your tame bloodsuckers are feeling peckish. Probably helps with the morale of still living agents to know the Vampire help isn't going preying on innocents.
 
And if there's fluid in perception range she could just duck out of the collar altogether.
All we would need to do is cut ourself, cry, or sweat somehow then hide in our own blood, sweat or tears. Or piss if we are feeling desperate.

What she actually needs is the control technology charm Electric Devil Caress, which is a 2 dot charm that allows you to destroy or Assume Direct Control all electronics in range.
Which would include the control mechanisms for bombs, electronic door locks, ECUs in cars, cellphones, security cameras, etc.
We could just use Hollow Mind Possession instead. On that note.

[X]If you see any cell phones among the agents try and slip in a HMP.

Unless people have any crown questions that they want to ask right now uses these guys as a focus.
 
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They knew enough to ask about them being Greater or Lesser Akuma:
SO while they might be lacking in practical experience, they definitly have lore on them.

Regular Wan Kuei take 3 rounds to enter Demon Shintai and they also have to take multiple rounds to spend enough Chi to get all 6 HL from Bone Shintai.
I think any careful observer would manage to blow their head off before they could fully buff.
And as you say, they won't be running on a full tank here.

We already guessed that from Agent Hyde's latin-inscribed shoes.
And Trier is a city of the former Roman Empire as well, though near the northern borders, just in case Andrea's name turns out to matter.
1)True
2)Nah. There's no physical outside sign Im aware of that a kueijin is in the process of activating DS before they do.
3)We speculated. This is evidence in support. Not conclusive, but suggestive.
If you only need to keep them fed long enough to extract any useful information they might have, you don't need a complicated logistics setup involving magic-tech blood preservation. There are plenty of sources of Human blood that can be had fresh and on short notice for limited periods of time before the hassle gets to be too much and suspicions start being raised.

But when you want to maintain Vampires long-term, that's when it becomes more practical to develop this sort of setup. Of course, the Vampire operatives themselves probably wouldn't mind just sourcing their own food. When you're trying not to attract attention, however, it's best not to start dropping exsanguinated bodies when your tame bloodsuckers are feeling peckish. Probably helps with the morale of still living agents to know the Vampire help isn't going preying on innocents.
When you are operating in a country the size and scale of the United States, you very much do.
Cheap, easy transportation across state lines is still a relatively new invention; as late as 1919, it took the US Army 62 days to move 81 vehicles from one coast to the other by road.

And the SCD is a relatively small, covert organization, not an army with bases in every state of the Union. And certainly not one that wants to draw attention by going about sourcing blood under magically appropriate conditions.

There's good chance, given the age of the Library, that this isnt even a modern invention.
Wanna bet that this would work with a cooler full of ice? And the US has been using iceboxes since at least the mid-19th century. Other human societies have been using iceboxes for longer.
 
Doesn't seem like now is a good time to try to get into LoC business, nor does it seem likely that we would get any juicy info from questioning these agents, but that doesn't mean they don't have anything worth sharing.

[X] Yes
-[X] How often do they actually need to transport Vampire prisoners? It doesn't seem like circumstances would lend themselves to making many live captures.
 
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Sort of tempted to blow 2 essence on using NWS on 2 agents. Just to get a bit of a litmus test on the morality of the organization. Also if we discover that one of them is a mole or something that is useful as well.

What's our essence budget before we start glowing?
 
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[X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
-[X] Use Intimidation Excellency, explain to the bane that if he doesn't injure the girl on leaving you might not tear his essence to shreds afterwards.


Seems like the Bad Cop is our best part to play here.
We can really murder the spirit and we have Excellency and a huge boost against little CoDs like this to make it believe that too.
 
We could just use Hollow Mind Possession instead. On that note.
[X]If you see any cell phones among the agents try and slip in a HMP.
Unless people have any crown questions that they want to ask right now uses these guys as a focus.
Bad idea. We're not enemies, and I see no reason to reveal that we control cyberdevils just out of curiosity.
We literally have faces for nine field agents; Clippy running them through social media and high school yearbooks will give us more information than we know what to do with.

Even without using the Crown to map out their internal structure.

[X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
-[X] Use Intimidation Excellency, explain to the bane that if he doesn't injure the girl on leaving you might not tear his essence to shreds afterwards.


Seems like the Bad Cop is our best part to play here.
We can really murder the spirit and we have Excellency and a huge boost against little CoDs like this to make it believe that too.
If I expected Intimidation to work, Molly would just give it an order and it would leave immediately.
Hell, it would have fled as soon as it saw Molly in demon shintai form; it was less than twenty yards from where Molly shanked the greater akuma, so it knows very well what Molly feels like.


This is more in Michael and Forthill's line, with the help of Amoracchius. At least until Molly learns Ancient Sorcery.
If we're lucky, maybe watching an exorcism will give us a discount on Sapphire Circle Banishment.
Yeah, we should have ATB running.
Demon Shintai is a physical transformation into your inner demon unless there is a canon source saying otherwise I'd say it is very much noticeable the whole way through
Physical transformation, sure.
But looking at the source book, there is no indication there are physical signs before the change completes, any more than there would be for, say, Denarians going warform. This isnt the Hulk.

I think its fair that anyone with magical senses, or even high Awareness, would get a roll to notice the activation as the kueijin or akuma's demon rose to the surface
I just dont expect there to be physical signs prior to a full change.

But whatever you think works for the quest.



I dont really have any questions to ask.
At least, none that I would expect what is essentially a specialized containment team to have answers for.

Good chance these guys are driving to an airport, then going on a transport plane.
Shortens the opportunity for mischief or ambush if its a fifteen minute drive to an airport, then a one hour flight in daytime rather than driving several hours by road.

We have faces for 9x Library agents if we should get curious in the future.
Moving on.

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[X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
-[X]Activate All Things Betray, as long as we dont think it contravenes our deal with Uriel: 1m



ATB for the Perception boost to watch the exorcism if allowed
We might get discounts to Sapphire Circle Banishment that way.
 
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Physical transformation, sure.
But looking at the source book, there is no indication there are physical signs before the change completes, any more than there would be for, say, Denarians going warform.

I think its fair that anyone with magical senses, or even high Awareness, would get a roll to notice the activation as the kueijin or akuma's demon rose to the surface
I just dont expect there to be physical signs prior to a full change.

But whatever you think works for the quest.

I'd say Denarians going warform are just faster, like Molly herself they take one turn to do it. Wan Kuei are worse at it because they actually have to dredge up their po manually without any otherworldly help. So you cannot really interrupt one of them whereas you totally interrupt a vampire... as long as they do not use Black Wind to do those three turns in one.
 
They seem to know what they're doing,
Speaking of, don't jades/Akuma have that thing where if their chi gets unbalanced stabbing them in the heart with a stake of wood/metal depending on the way it's tilted cripples their powers but doesn't paralyze or kill them?

Shouldn't we have staked them, or told the library to do it on page one of the doc we voted to give them on Akuma containment?
This is solid confirmation that the Library of Congress has Rhampire assets, or at least thinks they do.
Or that they have half vampires/work with that half red faction that is allied with the white council.

Another important note is that blood has a lot more uses than for feeding vamps, and most are effected by the shelf life of the blood.

I wouldn't be totally surprised if they used this equipment for stuff like transporting blood samples from crime scenes so they can use it for magical forensics and possibly curses.

They also seem to like alchemy, so if the enchantment is good enough to preserve delicate magical properties it might be used for reagent transport or to extend potion shelf life at duty stations. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what it was originally developed for, since that sort of investment would have been a lot more useful to them a lot earlier in their history than being able to feed vampires.

These particular people almost certainly only use it for vamp stuff, but the technology as a whole has a lot of nice uses across a broad enough organization.
 
I see no reason to reveal it either, but we have seen that adding a cyber devil to someone's phone can be done subtlely.
As long as they're rubes sure. This team probably wouldn't pick up on their presence, but we've seen that decent quality spiritualists can notice them even when they're sitting in someone's pocket not actively doing anything.

If they walk through a spooky side metal detector or something things could get spicy.

Doesn't seem like a good idea to make that sort of gamble without further understanding of how they operate.

[X] No, continue to Saint Mary's where Father Forthil will try to exorcise that poor girl
-[X]Activate All Things Betray, as long as we dont think it contravenes our deal with Uriel: 1m
 
Speaking of, don't jades/Akuma have that thing where if their chi gets unbalanced stabbing them in the heart with a stake of wood/metal depending on the way it's tilted cripples their powers but doesn't paralyze or kill them?

Shouldn't we have staked them, or told the library to do it on page one of the doc we voted to give them on Akuma containment?

Unbalancing chi is good if you want to choose what kind of disciplines they throw at you, but it is not as good as threatening you will blow up.

'Night guys, see you tomorrow with an exorcism and then carrier day at school. I'm sure Molly will have a fun time at it. :V
 
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