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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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DragonParadox said:
Thresholds are not alive, though as in the case of Bane they can be made to be so.
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good to know though if they go more into that in future books you willing to edit that or keep it the same? I doubt they will its just a basic word they attribute to them for some reason in the books which could have more to it or might not ever be touched. Fine either way just curious.
 
Honestly, we might consider making thresholds a sacrifice to the WoD-Fusion.

Just keep them limited to Fey and Blampires and let everyone else ignore them.
Much easier for the threat, no need to consider mechanics of how much power what kind of being looses at them.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Honestly, we might consider making thresholds a sacrifice to the WoD-Fusion.

Just keep them limited to Fey and Blampires and let everyone else ignore them.
Much easier for the threat, no need to consider mechanics of how much power what kind of being looses at them.
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Thresholds are integral to the setting. I'll hash out some rules when I have the time.

firefrog600 said:
good to know though if they go more into that in future books you willing to edit that or keep it the same? I doubt they will its just a basic word they attribute to them for some reason in the books which could have more to it or might not ever be touched. Fine either way just curious.
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Anything in future books will be considered on a case by case basis
 
Artemis1992 said:
Honestly, we might consider making thresholds a sacrifice to the WoD-Fusion.

Just keep them limited to Fey and Blampires and let everyone else ignore them.
Much easier for the threat, no need to consider mechanics of how much power what kind of being looses at them.
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demons explicitly aren't able to enter them most magical beings to a degree aren't. huh holy shit mollys family house threshold can be seen from space.
I'm genuinely a bit offended on wanting to limit thresholds to those beings their one of the most integral things in the setting. I would rather an entire major faction be deleted from the setting then thresholds.
Humans are the most common beings who actually get a threshold. As a non-magical creature, humans can cross thresholds without invitation or harm; though they themselves can influence it, as lots of strangers entering a home can weaken the threshold (at least temporarily, and possibly only when uninvited).[3]

Wizards are able to cross a threshold uninvited, leaving much of their magic and power behind, severely weakening them inside the home. If wizards are invited in, they can pass without loss of or other influence on their magic.[3][4]

  • Red Court vampires are nearly paralyzed by passing a threshold.
  • Black Court vampires can not cross a threshold at all.
  • White Court vampires can cross a threshold but cannot draw on their Hunger for strength and speed.[6]
  • Faeries do not necessarily need to be invited over a threshold if they are benevolent to the inhabitants of the house. While there, they are bound by the Laws of hospitality—the obligations of guest and host.[7]
  • Supernatural and magic creatures, including demons, are much more affected and inconvenienced by a threshold, due to being comprised of and bound to a greater extent by magic and its rules. Forcing themselves through a threshold would not only result in the loss of their 'outer' magical powers while in the home, but often actively endanger their life.[3] Thus many magical creatures are often incapable of crossing a threshold, due to being kept out completely by the barrier, or due to unwillingness to endanger themselves to this extent.
Even if a creature tries to or can force itself through a (possibly weaker) threshold, it usually still takes a lot of effort. All this results in many, if not most magical creatures being unable to cross a threshold unless invited in. Among them are for example demons,[8] or vampires.
 
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We saw a demon force its way through Harry's threshold (and the wards reinforcing them) and remain combat capable, so…
 
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Alratan said:
We saw a demon force its way through Harry's threshold (and the wards reinforcing them) and remain combat capable, so…
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they broke the ward and threshold via suicide tactics I'm fairly sure plus his thresholds not that strong. There are plenty of ways to get around tresholds if your smart after all. Unless your talking about in quest in which case thats a bit annoying but au so meh.

Edit: But, anyways thresholds aren't invincible they can be broken a lot of more powerful beings have greater limits though. But, again harrys not that good generally I'm talking about good family thresholds that have been around for a while. Less than mollys families or heck even murphys generally but still good ones.
 
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Given I can see a lot of powerful beings not being able to enter not cause it stops them so much as their bound by rules that make it so their not allowed.
 
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Yog said:
[X] So you know how stage magicians draw attention to one thing in order to hide another... (Explain the whole situation with Eiko, the conspiracy etc...)

The only one we might have wanted to hide this from is Gard, and she already knows.
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I will quote from the latest update:
"What the he..ck was that all about?" Harry asks in an urgent whisper, twisting the word around just in time, possibly because dad is around, though more likely because he, unlike you, does not want to draw the attention of the Daimyo of the Dark.
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If Harry Dresden, regional Warden Commander and White Council wizard believes that Naming things/talking about them directly can draw their attention?
We should wait on talking about this stuff till we're in a secure location, not for our sake, but for others.

I mean, scrying is a thing that Harry has done to other people.
Ditto eavesdropping.
We've seen Mab do it, even.

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[X] I'll explain later, we still have to deal with her boss first


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The fact that there's a nascent conspiracy against one of the most powerful Yama Kings is valuable information that we shouldnt be talking about in public without any anti-eavesdropping tactics.
Especially since we have already been spied on and followed around once this evening without noticing.

When we're going to talk about this, we do so behind wards or in consecrated ground.
Not out in public where anyone might hear.
We already went to too much trouble to mess this up with loose lips.

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Writein and stunt later.
 
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Alratan said:
One of the interesting implications of the way thresholds work is that it strongly incentivise behaviours not acroslly seen in the Dresden Files. Supernatural creatures would really want to marry into or have mortal families that live in the same place for a long time. You also wouldn't see so many minor talents live in flats as we see. Moving out of the family home would be massively selected against as it's asking to be eaten.

It also means you wouldn't see separate headquarters like the White Council's in Edinburgh. They'd have big houses they and their families had lived in for centuries and they'd meet there.
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The ones who can do, but it's worth noting that fooling the threshold effect isn't easy or necessarily worth it for a lot of creatures.

The strength of a threshold is impacted by a lot of things. The greatest of them are generally those where the property fully belongs to the mortals forming the foundation, they regard it as a place of sanctuary, and have lived there a long time. Significant bonus points if you raise a family there and it's a place with unbroken generations of people feeling the same way and doing the same thing.

All of which ends in a threshold that answers to them and not to you.

You could become a legitimate member of the family, but that's a significant investment itself. You can't just pick it up at a useful level by having a couple of mortal brats, they have to care, and that's difficult long term.

It's not impossible, and many wizards do live in fully owned properties that have history to them. Dresden is just weird for a wizard and we mostly see how he does things.

It's also worth noting that thresholds aren't the only kind of defense, they're just really good. Council Headquarters has a lot of leylines to work with, and with enough skilled labor you can make some truly scary stuff out of those kind of resources.

As to the minor talents; they still have to deal with mundane concerns. A significant number of people can't just drop everything and find a century old family home to buy. I wouldn't be surprised if those that have access keep a death grip on them, but the Dresden Files primarily takes place in Chicago so we see a lot more of the people who don't.
 
[X] uju32

Fair point on the need for secrecy. We should make a note about the magician comparison for later though. It's too funny not to use on Dresden for multiple reasons.

Really if we can swing it we should try giving him high quality magical foci that happen to look like stage props just to screw with him.
 
fictionfan said:
I think he is fine as he is. Also in this situation character development isn't really him changing character and more Molly learning more about him.
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I don't dislike them just it would be nice if we actually change usum in any meaningful way. Cause otherwise we're just one exalted in a long line of exalted hes likely known. Probably. Also just to prove that we can affect them in a meaningful way other than the default.
 
DragonParadox said:
To uncover and make use of more powers like your own/To be free of Emma-O through the auspices of your power
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So, don't recall anyone else pointing this out, Eiko did not want to be free of Emma-O. She wanted to redeem him, and study our power to do so, but not remove herself from his service.

She isn't the traitor we were looking for. Whoever it is is still out there, be it the Will of Kakuri, or just some of the lesser akuma.
 
Odysseus2099 said:
So, don't recall anyone else pointing this out, Eiko did not want to be free of Emma-O. She wanted to redeem him, and study our power to do so, but not remove herself from his service.

She isn't the traitor we were looking for. Whoever it is is still out there, be it the Will of Kakuri, or just some of the lesser akuma.
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though could just be a mistake neat catch if your right something to ask the qm later. Not like directly answering the question so much as asking if they've made a mistake or molly can realize this in character as we are.
 
Odysseus2099 said:
So, don't recall anyone else pointing this out, Eiko did not want to be free of Emma-O. She wanted to redeem him, and study our power to do so, but not remove herself from his service.

She isn't the traitor we were looking for. Whoever it is is still out there, be it the Will of Kakuri, or just some of the lesser akuma.
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She wants to be free and keep her power without being smote by Emma-O. Redemption is a vehicle to achieving that because it allows her to work around her oaths.
 
[x] I'll explain later, we still have to deal with her boss first
[x][Stunt] "Not here, not now. Once we have dealt with the greater foe, and are back under wards, I will explain. Even as dawn comes, the night still has ears."

Let's not take the chance of being overheard, we have after all just drawn their attention by beating the crap out of their lieutenant(?).
 
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BronzeTongue said:
She wants to be free and keep her power without being smote by Emma-O. Redemption is a vehicle to achieving that because it allows her to work around her oaths.
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I'm not convinced. Redeeming Emma-O doesn't free her, it just gives her a nicer boss.

There's at least one unfallen Yama King who accepts akuma into her service.
 
[X] So you know how stage magicians draw attention to one thing in order to hide another... (Explain the whole situation with Eiko, the conspiracy etc...)
-[X]See if you can prompt an occult secret out of one of your teammates.

Want to recover more essence.
 
Alratan said:
I'm not convinced. Redeeming Emma-O doesn't free her, it just gives her a nicer boss.

There's at least one unfallen Yama King who accepts akuma into her service.
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DragonParadox said:
Oh... the realization is less lightning bolt from the blue and more round peg finally fitting into the round hole. Lady Eiko had convinced herself that it would be in Emma-O's interest, above all others if he abandoned the darkness he has cultivated... which would not so incidentally allow her to restore her Dharma without losing the parts of herself that have been claimed by the Lord of the Night Realm. That is why she had been asking about forgiveness, redemption, not for herself but for her lord.

"Yes..." Usum's voice is barely even a whisper in your mind, more of a hum, vaguely appreciative at that. "If she has a standing order to follow her lord's interests that might be enough to step around or even eschew many lesser priorities, but surely not all. If this became known to Emma-O, that one of his servants seeks to shape him, his wrath would be beyond words." Now he is giggling, an eerie near-musical sound, like silver bells recorded on half-ruined tape.
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Seems pretty clear to me that this is the only path she believes is open to her under the constraints of her orders. Or at least the most promising loophole she's aware of in her bindings.

I doubt she knows about the yama king you're talking about, that she'd trust them if she did, or that getting a new boss as opposed to getting her will back is what she's after.

My thought here is that she's hoping to be released by this better Emma-O, but that she isn't letting herself think too far in that direction to avoid contaminating the mindset that slows her to plot.
 
its kinda sad I don't see any real actual way to change emma-o and it kinda just seems like an effort in utility. Not that we shouldn't try its just so far beyond us I'm not sure we'd even be able to pull it off as an essence 5 exalt.
 
firefrog600 said:
its kinda sad I don't see any real actual way to change emma-o and it kinda just seems like an effort in utility. Not that we shouldn't try its just so far beyond us I'm not sure we'd even be able to pull it off as an essence 5 exalt.
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There are ways, but I don't think that the thread would be up for the redeeming process that Infernal charms allow for.
 
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