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“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest

Would you Distort or manifest EGO?

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Nottheunmaker said:
Then we have what we now have to be her perspective from here.
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Thanks for reminding me of who she was, allowed me to go look at her mind from the interlude:
Lepidoptera said:
Besides, it wasn't like she could really take credit for what was in here. It just showed up because Argalia had wanted to go somewhere, and she had wanted that place to be somewhere like this. It didn't take any talent or skill just to want something. Everyone did it, and then all their actions were dictated by the things that they wanted. It wasn't anything special, just how things were.
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This part clearly shows that she does indeed think of herself as someone unable to lead, someone so average she ends up mediocre in all she does.

Boy does she needs a pick me up or ten thousands.

Lepidoptera said:
It wasn't the girl's place to argue. She's screwed up enough to learn that she couldn't be trusted with important decisions or responsibilities.
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Second verse same as the first, she *screwed up* in taking what actually could have been a very good decision (if she had reached mitikahara I'm sure X would've helped her) that ended up being a bad one due to bad luck, and now she's stuck thinking that all she can do is screw up.

The mill really ground down her psyche, heh?

Lepidoptera said:
Argalia seemed almost reverent of them, only matched by the way he spoke to the voice
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Oh, and should have seen it at the time but concentrated on what looked like a barrier, but she did show that she was a distortion in this interlude, by talking in a way that implies she had a conversation with Carmen.

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Almost forgot: for those just voting *talk*, you should add some topics and that we should move before doing it, especially the moving, we wouldn't want to be interrupted by the local sentries.
 
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[X] Go to a safe location that isn't our home base but still out of the eyes of the adult.
-[X] Talk

I'm sure that given what Lepid said earlier, X will autopilot it, but sure!
 
[:V] Go to the Library
-[:V] Talk

I'm sure Roland would absolutely love to have a talk with his brother-in-law whom he thought dead, what a touching reunion it will be :V
 
questioningmeme said:
You things are weird when Argalia is the voice of reason in the room...
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This really isn't Albuquerque. This is a mash of souls run through an alien's system and their accumulated grief pressed into a color's shape by magic for reasons I'm sure make a lot of sense to Lair lair pants on fire. Though why Carmen Sandiego is talking to him is another good question.
 
questioningmeme said:
You know what to do.

Strap him to a table and use Lobotomy.
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What did the poor table did to you to be treated this way?

Anyway, I'm more interested in the girl than in our biggest fan, he is probably more set in his way than her, not helped by what he wants being very likely to give day 49 flashbacks to X.

Sure, if we can talk to him and it doesn't seems like he is a flaming lunatic we might be able to come to an understanding, but given his head is on fire right now I somehow doubt it.

It is still interesting to see that he seems to have changed at least a little from the interlude with the girl, because when you see this:

Lepidoptera said:
"Just because a scene isn't abound with sights doesn't make it dull. Subtlety is essential in many great arts." Argalia responded, voice still thrumming with energy.
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Lepidoptera said:
"You remind me of a friend of mine. He had closed himself off from everything that could hurt him, you see. But in the end, it was when he finally chose to dedicate himself to his own wish that he could shine brightest." Argalia said. With a theatrical flair, the man shifted the girl into his off-hand and flicked his scythe up into his grip with a swift kick. "But I'd argue that what it is you're looking for can be something truly special. Not everyone dreams of such artistic scenery."
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Lepidoptera said:
"If that's what you want, I won't begrudge you that. But you really should take pride in these places you've discovered for yourself."
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Taken out of context this can actually be very good advice to make her feel better, and even in context it isn't as bad as it could be, he does not let her be completely blind to her good parts, despite her entire distortion being about her being a tool from what we can see, he's actually giving a valid peptalk here.
 
.... I knew this was coming ever since the first Liar/Argalia interlude, but it still feels weird that we are advocating to talk to the crazy Color. Bah. Anyways, heres my vote:

[X] Get to a safer location first.
-[X] Talk.
--[X] Himself. His plans.
--[X] Why is he looking for X?
--[X] The Adult who tells Lies.
--[X] The 'false' Distortions.
--[X] Leonie.
 
questioningmeme said:
What do you mean by in context exactly?
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In the context of: *Argalia is very good at using people desires and making speeches that seems to buoy them but in reality manipulate them to his ends like he did the ensemble* plus *the guy he is citing as shining more when accepting his desires is Phillip, with the shining more being a reference to when they escaped the light and Philip became a literal sun*

But even in that context I can see way less manipulation to serve him in particular than what I would expect from the guy who lead the ensemble, it seems more sincere than in LoR in a way.
 
Honestly that seems unneeded.

Mainly because Leonie is already basically wishing that shes a tool. So it's highly likely the guy is genuine and is just trying to get his newly adopted compass to stop being such a downer.
 
As an Italian and in the name of Italy, we drop all claims to Argalia and correlated characters. Both he and Angelica in the Innamorato are supposed to be from Eastern and foreign lands, while Roland and the Paladins of Charlemagne are Frankish and therefore closer to the France of today.

That is to say, I am merely denying this because he simply isn't dramatic enough! The word 'opera' comes from our esteemed languages and he's got nothing on us, :p!
 
[X] Go to a safe location that isn't our home base but still out of the eyes of the adult.
-[X] Talk
--[X] How are you even alive?
--[X] Why are you in The Adult's territory?
--[X] Are you friend or foe?
--[X] What are you planning to do now you have met me, since you clearly have something planned.

Yeah, I like this.
 
AbyssRay said:
As an Italian and in the name of Italy, we drop all claims to Argalia and correlated characters. Both he and Angelica in the Innamorato are supposed to be from Eastern and foreign lands, while Roland and the Paladins of Charlemagne are Frankish and therefore closer to the France of today.

That is to say, I am merely denying this because he simply isn't dramatic enough! The word 'opera' comes from our esteemed languages and he's got nothing on us, :p!
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The title is a reference to Argalia and Mami both being charismatic, highly competent combatants with a preference towards refinement and elegance while serving as recruiters for a nebulous manipulative force that they believe they share a strong bond with. They also both have some relations to Italy despite not being italian.
 
Lepidoptera said:
The title is a reference to Argalia and Mami both being charismatic, highly competent combatants with a preference towards refinement and elegance while serving as recruiters for a nebulous manipulative force that they believe they share a strong bond with. They also both have some relations to Italy despite not being italian.
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I did not expect to get a serious reply out of this but on the other hand: comparing Argalia and Mami is a cursed thought that I will not be sleeping at night with. Thank you good sir.
 
A thought of Arglebarglewargle and his advice towards Leonie. Because while it could just be altruism, it could also be enlightened self interest. Because while Leonie does have powers and use as she is, she's also a mostly inanimate object, and lacks any means of locomotion. She can't go anywhere on her own. Kyoko may be half horse all glass and on fire without her disguise, but she can still move around as she pleases and touch anything she wants. Leonie's form is extremely limited.

So if I'm a not-person made of liquid depression, and I have a loyal partner that can't move, but could if she got out of her funk, it would be in my own best interest to get her out of that funk.

Now these are not exclusive, you can be kind while looking out for yourself, but it's something to bare in mind during this likely to be long conversation.
 
Nottheunmaker said:
So if I'm a not-person made of liquid depression, and I have a loyal partner that can't move, but could if she got out of her funk, it would be in my own best interest to get her out of that funk.
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True, though can distortions actually evolve in a straightforward manner like that? As far as I know across all works there's just the Distorted Ensemble, who got a Light boost from the Library's release and probably some help from Carmen, and that one guy from Leviathan who became... Schadenfreude?
 
We actually don't know what happened to him.
My theory is A little portion of Lobotomy corporation substance (the things starts with E)producers and becomes Cogito when interested by a human, Since cogito is the only way for human to connect to the well of human subconscious, than a extraction process of some kind happened and Schadenfreude was extracted out of him, Killing him instantly while spawning the Abno.
but canonly, we do not know anything About what happened and we will get Info about it in Limbus I presume.
 
Suleverf said:
True, though can distortions actually evolve in a straightforward manner like that? As far as I know across all works there's just the Distorted Ensemble, who got a Light boost from the Library's release and probably some help from Carmen, and that one guy from Leviathan who became... Schadenfreude?
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something then, or my point was unclear. Distortions, if my understanding is correct, can become EGO users, yes? And an EGO user is basically a person with a cool power/weapon and drip. I'm not completely clear on how a person makes the transition between the two, but a good first step would to me seem like getting the person out of the mindset that made them into a Distortion.

We also know within this quest that a person doesn't just have one form their Distorted self can take, and is influenced by a multitude of factors. To me, that would indicate that the form of a Distortion is not set and can be changed. We know Kyoko could've ended up in a much worse state, for example. Therefore it's not unreasonable to think that form could be changed post distortion.

Either of these would work for Argamemnon if he's working under either of so far assumed motivations.
 
Nottheunmaker said:
Distortions, if my understanding is correct, can become EGO users, yes?
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From my understanding, distortions and EGO are forks in the road of Light manifestation, and don't lead into one another easily. If a distorted person reverts, they don't immediately gain an EGO in the process. In theory there's nothing stopping them from eventually doing so afterwards. But I can't think of any case where a person gets EGO after fully distorting, or distorts after obtaining complete EGO. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

By nature of the distortion, a person's mindset crystalizes to the point of being given physical form, so for that reason I think it would be resistant to changes that don't drastically reform the mindset again. A bit like how after a sword is forged, it must be reheated to change shape. Though perhaps this is indeed what Argalia intends. And I don't doubt that a self-serving motive of making people more useful for his plans would suit him just fine.
 
Saying that if he is trying to undistort her, he's going about it the wrong way. Or he doesn't know how to in the first place.

Given the process of undistorting someone as said by Moses in Distortion Detective, what Argalia is doing isn't enough to undistort Leonie.
 
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