Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Explain that you are one of the people who cleared Harry Dresden and that you know how her husband died (Most likely to get her on board, reveals the most about your powers)
-[X][Stunt] Lie "I interrogated his ghost- no I can't help you talk to him don't ask- and although I was able to get some information out of him I didn't get as much as I would have liked. I know that he was killed here in your backyard by someone under a veil so are you going to let investigate the scene of the crime and track down your husbands killer?"
 
[X] Explain that you are one of the people who cleared Harry Dresden and that you know how her husband died (Most likely to get her on board, reveals the most about your powers)
 
[X] Explain that you are one of the people who cleared Harry Dresden and that you know how her husband died (Most likely to get her on board, reveals the most about your powers)
-[X][Stunt] Lie "I interrogated his ghost- no I can't help you talk to him don't ask- and although I was able to get some information out of him I didn't get as much as I would have liked. I know that he was killed here in your backyard by someone under a veil so are you going to let investigate the scene of the crime and track down your husbands killer?"
 
[X] Full Disclosure. Okay, not really, but close!
-[X] Explain that you are one of the people who cleared Harry Dresden and that you know how her husband died.
--[X] Also explain that she didn't just have a barely averted case of sudden suicide, but rather that we convinced the supernatural assassins that were in the process of killing her to leave by destroying the evidence she gathered to use against the White Court.
-[X] Stunt: "There's no nice way to say this, so in the interest of brevity and honesty, you're probably feeling really crappy right now because I just barely prevented the team of supernatural assassins from staging your tragic suicide. On the bright side, I was in the neighborhood to speak with you about my efforts to discover who actually killed your husband when I interrupted their operation."
 
[X] Full Disclosure. Okay, not really, but close!
-[X] Explain that you are one of the people who cleared Harry Dresden and that you know how her husband died.
--[X] Also explain that she didn't just have a barely averted case of sudden suicide, but rather that we convinced the supernatural assassins that were in the process of killing her to leave by destroying the evidence she gathered to use against the White Court.
-[X] Stunt: "There's no nice way to say this, so in the interest of brevity and honesty, you're probably feeling really crappy right now because I just barely prevented the team of supernatural assassins from staging your tragic suicide. On the bright side, I was in the neighborhood to speak with you about my efforts to discover who actually killed your husband when I interrupted their operation."
So what do you plan to say when she asks how we interrupted the assassination? Keep in mind that she is going to notice the missing blackmail.
 
When dealing with Sarah Greene, we have to remember the following:
1) She is not a good person. She is a criminal, and, under most definitions (including, possibly, the USA legal one) a traitor. She willingly aided and abeited White Court crimes, betraying her oaths, comrades and arguably species. She was not a deep cover Library of Congress agent (unless she is, in which case, bravo!).
2) She is vengeful. What she did was not motivated by empathy or compassion. It was solely motivated by her desire to exact revenge on those she considered responsible for... And here's the interesting part - she either jumped to conclusion that White Court was responsible for murdering her husband, in which case she's a very bad investigator, or she's holding them responsible for betraying their (either implicit or explicit) promises to her. Whether the actual death of her husband matters to her is unknown in the second scenario.
3) She is self-destructive or stupid. Even assuming she gets immunity deal, she'll be, at best, in protective custody for the rest of her days. She has to recognize this.

Overall, Sarah Greene is not a good person. It is plausible that she's a worse person than Isabella, who's at least young, indoctrinated and has inhuman ancestry spurring her on. That said, we can use her.

[X] Goldfish
 
So what do you plan to say when she asks how we interrupted the assassination? Keep in mind that she is going to notice the missing blackmail.
We tell her we flew in through the open window and committed homicidium interruptus due to being really scary when we're properly motivated.
 
So do we claim they ran or that we killed them and got rid of the bodies?
No reason not to tell her the truth at this point. They left after we destroyed her evidence. We didn't come here to pick a fight with the White Court and we're not the witness protection program. It was simple and expedient, and the only reason she can complain about is because she's not dead right now. Thanks to us.

If she had some way to reasonably hurt the Whampires, she would be a dead woman walking, despite our timely intervention, so at least this way she has a chance to find out who really killed her husband and maybe even get some revenge on them.
 
No reason not to tell her the truth at this point. They left after we destroyed her evidence. We didn't come here to pick a fight with the White Court and we're not the witness protection program. It was simple and expedient, and the only reason she can complain about is because she's not dead right now. Thanks to us.

If she had some way to reasonably hurt the Whampires, she would be a dead woman walking, despite our timely intervention, so at least this way she has a chance to find out who really killed her husband and maybe even get some revenge on them.
According to DP our read on her means that she is unlikely to view that favorably. It seems likely that she expected to die after getting her revenge.
 
Actually... The more I think about it, the less I am inclined to explain stuff to her. Not until we know more. I want to see whether the attack on White Court is revenge for the person she loved, or a narcissistic "you betrayed me, how dare you" lashing out.

[X] Claim that you are a friend of Harry Dresden who had been framed for her husband's death (Reveal some occult connections)
-[X] You have some guesses who was behind it, and could use a help of an FBI investigator

We we can reveal more later.
 
According to DP our read on her means that she is unlikely to view that favorably. It seems likely that she expected to die after getting her revenge.
And if she was getting her revenge against the wrong monsters? That's just a wasted death. If nothing else, we can point her towards the real culprits.
 
[X] Claim that you are a friend of Harry Dresden who had been framed for her husband's death (Reveal some occult connections)
-[X] You have some guesses who was behind it, and could use a help of an FBI investigator
 
[X] Claim that you are a friend of Harry Dresden who had been framed for her husband's death (Reveal some occult connections)
-[X] You have some guesses who was behind it, and could use a help of an FBI investigator
 
[X] Claim that you are a friend of Harry Dresden who had been framed for her husband's death (Reveal some occult connections)
-[X] You have some guesses who was behind it, and could use a help of an FBI investigator
 
What do you mean by implusive. Its not an impulse at all. These are beings that prey on peoples despair. They are actively helping cover and likely are part of human trafficking. They are already at war with any being that has a shred of morality. This wouldn't be a war that we started, its just one that we will finish.
1) You wanted to get in a fight with a White Court operative of unknown capabilities in the home of an FBI agent.
In daytime. In a residential neighborhood with a dying civilian and a Whamp fledgeling in close proximity.
With our car parked upfront.

No idea if he had backup or a driver. No plan for evidence disposal.

Even mortal enemies in the supernatural world typically dont get into open fights in those sorts of locations.
Not in the US.
So yeah, impulsive.


2)You dont realize how big the niche of emotion eaters is in the Dresdenverse.


3) Human trafficking is a very broad definition.
It includes everything from being paid to smuggle people to places where they want to go, to paying for people to travel for purposes of sexual exploitation, all the way to debt peonage and actual human slavery.

Critically, human trafficking is not in and of itself a capital crime.


4)This is a materially inaccurate assertion.
Like I've pointed out previously, Knights of the Cross do not attack Whampires on sight, and they appear to set the standard for in-setting morality; people trust their word, even their enemies.

The White Court has not been at war with anyone in the last century at least.

That's fair, and essentially what I want to do. My impression has been that this is much larger than you're making it out to be, and much darker than you're implying though.
Fair enough.

I doubt it is, given just how easy it is IRL to recruit pretty young people into the trade with money and a dash of glamor.
But thats just my personal impression.
I won't quibble over the definition of slavery here, because that's a derail we probably don't want to get into. I will say that compelling people into sex work is screwed up, and that the way it's being backed here makes it incredibly difficult for mundane authorities to manage.

My (probably somewhat unrealistic) hope is that the library is run by competent people interested in protecting mortals, with the subtly to oppose this sort of thing, but lacking in the power to really make it sting for the vampire courts.

If that's the case we can hand the evidence off to them and they can coordinate law enforcement in a way that won't instantly turn into a shit show*. Once we have RVD we could break tricky hard points for them to fill in for their weak point.

I don't expect to be able to roll the whole thing up, because the white court isn't exactly a pushover, but we could help a lot of people who are being victimized. If we're clever about it we could even push them towards being less awful.

In any operation some triage is necessary, and not all white court establishments will be run the same way. If there are people running on recruitment by way of offering piles of money then they go on the bottom of the list. The guys doing things like smuggling people into the country and using their immigration status to keep them trapped go towards the top.

Even if the library can't help we can still do something, if in a less effective way.
We probably can't stop them from being assholes regardless, but we can make being a huge one more dangerous and less profitable.
Oh certainly, if there's any compulsion involved.
The sheer numbers of mostly willing entrants into the real life sex trade makes it unlikely that magical compulsion is involved at any scale, short of individual Whampires looking to be assholes.

The porn trade has no shortage of new actresses, escort agencies have no shortage of recruits, and there have always been aspiring models and aspiring actresses being preyed upon. In the series, Marcone's "health clubs" in Chicago dont need magic to recruit nubile young women as staff, or even to keep the cops away.

Where I might expect you might see Whampire magic being useful is in filtering potential recruits (magical perception OP; Lara was able to tell Ramirez was a virgin on their first meeting), persuading people to keep their mouths shut about their clients, and in providing protection against both law enforcement investigations and organized crime muscling in.

And yes, its incredibly difficult for mundane authorities to get ahold of.
What else is new?

White God makes a terrifying amount of sense as a devil tiger. A virtuous 10+ essence post-Infernal whose heretical charms are centered around Free Will, and Compassion. Someone who indeed surpasses the previous generation of Primordials.
I would disagree.
Primordials as written, which is what a full grown Devil Tiger is, appear to scale well below Dresdenverse archangels.

I could put it up to a vote next chapter, though I would also have to figure out how it interacts with companions... maybe just have them share your Essence level because otherwise they would quickly fall behind.
For what its what worth?
I actually agree that changing Essence rules mid-game is not really a good idea.
At most I would go for automatically pegging party member Essence to Molly's.

But thats my two cents.
 
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[X] Claim that you are a friend of Harry Dresden who had been framed for her husband's death (Reveal some occult connections)
-[X] You have some guesses who was behind it, and could use a help of an FBI investigator


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We rolled 7 successes on our social introduction, and 10 successes on reading her.
Both Legendary levels of success; double Legendary on reading her.

I'll go with @Yog on this. Middle road.
Like he pointed out, current evidence points at her being a bomb thrower; we want rather more information before arming her with information about Molly to throw around.

And it gives us insight to see how she acts when dealing with someone she doesnt realize knows rather more about the case than she does.
 
You wanted to get in a fight with a White Court operative of unknown capabilities in the home of an FBI agent.
In daytime. In a residential neighborhood with a dying civilian and a Whamp fledgeling in close proximity.
With our car parked upfront.

No idea if he had backup or a driver. No plan for evidence disposal.
Bo hoo, you are claiming a fight where everything isn't stacked in our favour is impuslive. Its not, its knowing when the risk is worth it versus the danger. It was worth it there.
2)You dont realize how big the niche of emotion eaters is in the Dresdenverse.
Lmao, spare me the fear of a bargin bin carmilla.

Exalts are designed to fight beings that would make make every supernatural things in this world cry And win. Especially us as we can have an entire nation backing us by the end of this turn if we wanted to.
3) Human trafficking is a very broad definition.
It includes everything from being paid to smuggle people to places where they want to go, to paying for people to travel for purposes of sexual exploitation, all the way to debt peonage and actual human slavery.

Critically, human trafficking is not in and of itself a capital crime.
These are emotion leeches using people as party favours, so stop with the obfuscation. We both know what they are doing.
4)This is a materially inaccurate assertion.
Like I've pointed out previously, Knights of the Cross do not attack Whampires on sight, and they appear to set the standard for in-setting morality; people trust their word, even their enemies.
No they are not, they set the standard of the people that don't attack them because they are too weak to survive the war. The whampires aren't their mission and they don't have divine support fighting them. If you sincerely think Michel is ok with white court human trafficking, then you need to understand the man better.


And thats not even a valid argument any way. The fact that the most moral person in the series is ok with human trafficking doesn't make it moral, it makes the setting morally bankrupt.


Molly pointed out this in the update when she doubts herself. It was indeed the easy way out, the one that cowards walk.
 
[X] Claim that you are a friend of Harry Dresden who had been framed for her husband's death (Reveal some occult connections)
-[X] You have some guesses who was behind it, and could use a help of an FBI investigator

Look, guys. I really don't think full disclosure is a good idea here.

Yes, yes, we're a good Christian gurl with demonic powers but I do think Sarah needs to be handled with some finesse here. For one thing, she's possibly grieving, possibly histerical, possibly suicidal, possibly faking all of the three for her own gains, and definitely damaged from the White Court assault and thus certainly not in the right state of mind.

Let's just see what her character is like, and then we can go about what truth we can.
 
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I doubt it is, given just how easy it is IRL to recruit pretty young people into the trade with money and a dash of glamor.
But thats just my personal impression
Not for nothing, but the quote you yourself pulled specifically outlines compulsion and says nothing about anything else. It's possible -and probable - that they're using a mix, but we know that they are using some significant amount of compulsion to run their businesses.
 
I would disagree.
Primordials as written, which is what a full grown Devil Tiger is, appear to scale well below Dresdenverse archangels.
I am really going to fight this interpretation. You keep saying it and it's still not supported.

Someone looking at an angel who's melon sized brain can't even comprehend the size of the sun is not the authority on how powerful angels are with only a brief peak using the sight. And well Primordials did not tend to do much in the way of gigaton effects like throwing galaxies around the absolute and perfect effects that they imposed as a matter of course are actually more impressive.

Making a shield that can stop any attack no matter what is more impressive than throwing a galaxy. Throwing a galaxy is just biggatons human civilization is likely to manage it one day. We are unlikely to ever make a single perfect effect.

The primordials had no need of biggatons. Why even bother to shoot a Lensmen series sunbeam when you can do perfect attacks?
 
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