Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Does anyone know when Mouse's birthday is? It occurs to me that we could throw him a party, then use either the party itself, or the gifts as a focus for the crown to find his siblings - if I recall correctly some are still missing. That would potentially give Lydia (and maybe one of our siblings?) a powerful familiar, as well as be a boon to Mouse.
 
Lydia's excellency is weak, temp WP scaling is weak
Lydia is a terrestrial. Ur-example of a terrestrial excellency is a dragonblooded Excellency, which adds +five dice maximum and scales off related ability, instead of a singular united attribute - did I ever mention that Excellency that scales off Willpower and allows to slap someone five-ten dice on ability-attribute combination that is at, like, two dots combined is very good?

It is very good.

The moment she gets to WP 7ish, Lydia's excellency would comprehensively outperform usual Terrestrial excellency. At WP 9-10, she, in effect, has Celestial Excellency, especially so if she learns Qiao of Meng/taps into other WP regen mechanics and renders "It scales off temp WP, not permanent WP" drawback completely irrelevant.

This is what makes WP and Essence very efficient purchase for Lydia in nearly all situations, btw.

And she'll probably get to benefit from Molly feeding her dots and shih arts via teaching charms, eventually. NVM if we actually get to slap a posessed template on top of her, the end result would be something that looks awfully like an actual Celestial.

What do people thing about Violence is Worship?
3 dots for +1 Essence regen per scene seems to be a bit much, in a setting where Rendered Villain + Charred Sinner combo exists. A bottle of bleach + ally means Molly has rapid essence regen permanently on.

Alternatively, Murder is meat is one dot, and regens two dots of essence, although RAW essence-regen only usable on spirits and ghosts?

...I guess we could regen essence by repeatedly summoning cyberdevils and banishing them to our own Hell, once we get it. :V
Point is, "Carriage of the Ankou" is a one-dot charm that allows Lydia to summon "a vehicle or mount that you own" at no essence cost to her. Making said vehicle combat-capable transforms this charm into "summon bigger fish" in a lot of situations. We just need to work on how to disguise the combat capabilities.
Actually good transformer would probably involve either high dots of Alchemy/Enchanting, or be an Apparatus in Holden's crafting system. Not Good transformer wouldn't warrant the effort, tbh.
 
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Lydia's Excellency becomes comedically good if she ever gets dots in True Faith as well.

She doesnt appear to have any ambitions to that effect.
And its worth remembering that kingdoms dont generally run themselves. If you're voting to make someone royalty, you're giving them a fulltime job

Like Molly, she can appoint ministers to do the heavy lifting of running her kingdom for her.

Plenty of monarchs have basically spent lifetimes on campaign while other people have run domestic affairs.
 
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Actually good transformer would probably involve either high dots of Alchemy/Enchanting, or be an Apparatus in Holden's crafting system. Not Good transformer wouldn't warrant the effort, tbh.
While I could argue that HMP allows us to cheat a lot, and I mean "throw away more than half of design complexity" a lot, I would agree that a good humanoid transformer would require that 5 dot crafting charm, most likely (for stuff like dimensionally folding parts, impossible power supply, and disguising the transforming nature of it all). However, it still leaves us with an option to make an up-armored car with hidden weapons as a portable cover and heavy firepower summon. Have Lydia buy "Carriage of the Ankou" and "Hunter's Bolt" and in any serious confrontation Lydia's strategy becomes "survive 3 turns it takes for the portable bunker to arrive, then get inside and fire magical attacks from protected position".

We don't even need to make it actually road-worthy. A brick on wheels with tons of armor and weapons that's normally hidden in a garage at her house, or our base, and is only summoned for battle would be more than good enough. For actual travel we could use an actual normallish car.
 
We don't even need to make it actually road-worthy. A brick on wheels with tons of armor and weapons that's normally hidden in a garage at her house, or our base, and is only summoned for battle would be more than good enough. For actual travel we could use an actual normallish car.

How much would a tank cost?

Even if the weapons have been deactivated we can probably restore them.

Also, if we get a tech hell we may be able to get a tank from there.
 
While I could argue that HMP allows us to cheat a lot
HMP is why I didn't go "No, that is flatly impossible."

That said, yeah, HMP'ed armored cars with guns is intended synergy, methinks. Much like a magic beast or some sort. Making it really good in terms of actual usefulness would be way easier, too.

That said, if it is a legal, registered car, there are some upkeep and security issues.

Tank is also a viable target, if one that would mean that while Lydia is capable of summoning some absolutely non-trivial firepower at will, she also would be unable to use the charm for anything else. Store it in some remote location, summon it only when shit hits the fun. Armored car with guns is something that still could be used for routine transportation.
 
She could switch the target.

I don't really like the tank-idea, but it's definitly possible to have a car marked for most urban situations and to mark a tank for when she goes into the NeverNever or a warzone or such.
 
Higher Dex was literally impossible.
DP already had her pre-made with high mental and social stats, physical had to be her worst group, so I had very few points to spend there.I think I even cheated by spending an extra point on it as her divine Attribute, which usually only Celestial-tier Exigents should get, because I simply didn't have enough freebies left after buying her necessary Charms.

As for Charisma vs Manipulation, the latter fit, in my eyes, better with her academic approach to the world.
She was a bit isolated from her peers, so she has mastered words more in theory than by naturally training her charisma.

Look at the specialities, Well-Reasoned and Persuasive are both under Manipulation and those fit her style of convincing people slightly better than projecting trustworthyness.
Was it?
I'd have dropped her to Strength 1, and put that extra dot in Stamina or Dexterity. Thematically a better fit with the whole "daddy finally convinced me to get some physical training" thing, and mechanically easier to get Strength up to 2 than Dexterity up to 4/5.

The opposite actually.
Manipulation at least is supposed to require that you have some experience with people, and their levers. Charisma doesnt.
I'd expect someone who never really got to mingle to rely a lot more on force of personality than pushing people's levers.

Especially with the fact that you also gave her the Vanilla flaw, which makes her an innocent about human motivations.
Still a moot point.
Just a little theorycrafting.

That's normal cars. Before we get to tinkering with it.

And with cyberdevils (or, I guess, Lydia having some ghost loyal to her possess it), there's very little, in fact nothing at all, stopping us from making a goddamn (possibly literally) transformer. I mean, HMP grants the devils some measure of proprioception, and they can coordinate well, and are human-smart. Take a good, solid car frame as a base, spend a week, maybe two (certainly less than a month) rebuilding it with TTC, leaning into it with cyberdevil support, and Lydia herself helping, while gaming all the possible advantages. Sure, it's difficulty 9 at basis, but with CCC and BSM, it's difficulty 5. Difficulty 3 for environmental protection systems / passenger compartment because TLF.

Point is, "Carriage of the Ankou" is a one-dot charm that allows Lydia to summon "a vehicle or mount that you own" at no essence cost to her. Making said vehicle combat-capable transforms this charm into "summon bigger fish" in a lot of situations. We just need to work on how to disguise the combat capabilities.

And transformers are cool.
Requires high end Enchanting or Exalted Crafting.
And there are very few occasions in this setting where any of that is even vaguely applicable. Urban fantasy, not war story.
Just because you can doesnt mean you should.

She can't drive right now.
Not sure how it is in America, but I believe in most European countries you don't start learning that before 16 (except with these little scooters capped at 25Km/H).In Germany for example you can only make your drivers licence with 17, in Italy with 18.
So unless she has a chauffeur (which I can't rule out, but kinda doubt), there's no reason for a car yet.
She and her father have been in Chicago since November 2005, just after the events of Dead Beat. So ten months roughly.
You get your learner's permit at 15 in Illnois

It would be more surprising if she couldnt drive than if she could. Drive 0 just means she drives like a careful old lady :V

I specifically called out a lease because given her father moving around, owning a car(s) didnt make sense for them.
Better to just lease and pay monthly. High end vehicle because its stated that dude either rented or bought an estate, instead of renting a flat, which points at expensive tastes, along with things like the private tutors and shit.
Still saying that she has a Charm to make super-animals, which might be applied to familiars, depending on how DP rules that, but could also be used besides th
Yeah, I noticed.
Its part of the reason why Familiar is a good investment for her.
And her only flight options are if she takes a bird familiar and the appropriate familiar charm.

She does have a 2-Dot Charm that gives her a permanently usable ranged attack, no reload or Essence needed.
Just a bit short on range, but not terribly so.
Noted.

Her Excellency is pretty strong anyway, compared to a Terrestrial one, so having a flaw like this is a good thing?
And I said that in response to the idea that someone can WP-tap her by making social attacks while fighting, which I think is either impossible or at least requires split actions.
Lydia is a terrestrial. Ur-example of a terrestrial excellency is a dragonblooded Excellency, which adds +five dice maximum and scales off related ability, instead of a singular united attribute - did I ever mention that Excellency that scales off Willpower and allows to slap someone five-ten dice on ability-attribute combination that is at, like, two dots combined is very good?

It is very good.
Its not about its being strong, its about it being predictable. Or rather unpredictable.
The normal course of Exalted/WoD mechanics has WP as an expendable resource that you are supposed to expend and regain pretty regularly. The only thing you spend more is Essence.

If she has to maintain high WP, and thus far average WP regain is 1/day(QM isnt using the Nature mechanic much, if at all), that changes a lot of things for her.Especially with an Essence pool of 6.
Any occasion where she has to spend multiple WP markedly weakens her for up to a week.
3 dots for +1 Essence regen per scene seems to be a bit much, in a setting where Rendered Villain + Charred Sinner combo exists. A bottle of bleach + ally means Molly has rapid essence regen permanently on
Different applications.

The Rendered Villain+ Charred Sinner combo are essentially strategic in nature that require at least some downtime and advance planning, but allow you to regenerate your mojo fully. Violence is Worship is a lot more tactical in application. As is Murder is Meat.
Both of them are aimed at ensuring you have at least a minimum amount of Essence in the event of combat breaking out.

Actually good transformer would probably involve either high dots of Alchemy/Enchanting, or be an Apparatus in Holden's crafting system. Not Good transformer wouldn't warrant the effort, tbh.
Essentially this.

Lydia's Excellency becomes comedically good if she ever gets dots in True Faith as well.

Like Molly, she can appoint ministers to do the heavy lifting of running her kingdom for her.
Plenty of monarchs have basically spent lifetimes on campaign while other people have run domestic affairs.
Molly gets to spec citizens with fiat-backed loyalty and a Hell that essentially runs itself.
Other places dont get that.
Even the White God didnt implement fiat-backed loyalty in his own favor in this setting. Hence the Fallen, and Lucifer.

And with Nemesis running around, you dont attempt to set up a base of power and leave it unsupervised.
Plenty of monarchs have been overthrown or ganked for getting their attention drawn away from their kingdom.
 
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Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 29, 2022 at 1:48 AM, finished with 122 posts and 24 votes.

  • [X] 2 Essence from you and one fron Lydia, that is... proportional and if you time it right three is one of the numbers of great significance
    -[X]Molly: 1 temporary Willpower: Autosuccess
    -[X]Crown of Eyes: Focus: Cauldron contents, ladle. Aim: Optimizing safety.
    -[X]Occult Excellency: 1 mote
    -[X]Lydia: Intelligence Excellency + Mentor Background: 1 mote
    -[X]STUNT: You hesitate for a moment at the smell of ash and brine, fascinated despite yourself at how much resemblance this portion of the ritual bore to the principles of alchemy as you've been learning them. Mistress, Usum whispers a reminder, and you stop woolgathering. Extending your senses towards the magic cauldron, you focus on the ladle as it mixes the contents and look for an answer. In response, you begin to mold Essence for entry into the brew even as Usum calls out adjustments. "Ladies," you remember to warn "We are both going to glow like something out of the Old Testament, or a Japanese animation show for several minutes. Its normal. Lydia, on my mark."
    [X] Just 1 Essence, you do not want to mingle too many sorts of eldritch power in this, old Cauldron or no
    [X] 2 Essence from you and one fron Lydia, that is... proportional and if you time it right three is one of the numbers of great significance
    -[X] Use Occult Excellency
    -[X] Lydia uses Intelligence Excellency
    [X] 1 Essence from you and 1 from Lydia, that way you can both contribute
    -[x]Stunt: Drawing on your knowledge of Kakuri the Night Realm you notice a few improvements to the bad luck charm. Using your essanse you light a cold fire under the caldron. That should brew up some trouble. Not just giving bad luck, but luck with malice that makes everything feel hopeless and spiteful. Where all the world seems turned against you because it is. Every paper cuts, every tile edge stubs a toe, every drop of water causes a slip and the night does not hide them only blinds them.
    -[x]Stunt: Lydia seems to have some ideas of her own. "By the pricking of my thumb something wicked this way comes!" Lydia cackles. It isn't entirely thematic, by adding her blood to the spell Lydia managed to add a trigger that will make every dog and Crow within a football field go crazy with noise making when these wards are activated as well as directing their ire.
    -[X] Use Occult Excellency
    -[X] Lydia uses Intelligence Excellency
    [X] 2 Essence from you and one fron Lydia, that is... proportional and if you time it right three is one of the numbers of great significance
    -[X] Use Occult Excellency
    -[X] Use Crown of Eyes on the Cauldron for ways to make the power channeling through it safer
    -[X] Lydia uses Intelligence Excellency
    [X] 2 Essence from you and one fron Lydia, that is... proportional and if you time it right three is one of the numbers of great significance
 
Arc 4 Post 29: With Malice Towards Some
With Malice Towards Some

25th of August 2006 A.D.

They were old and new the arts which had forged this cauldron, drawn forth from the lore of loche and moor from the whispers of the fairy folk and taken with trembling hands from those who had dwelt for ages dwelt neath quaking aspen, paper birch, oak and hickory. They were the arts of the interloper come with holy book in one hand and burning brand in the other to distant shores and yet they were the arts of folks who worried about the turning of the seasons and the coming of the rain, about the lives of their loved ones in places far off and about warding away the winter's grip. There was power in the forging, but it was a brittle thing, as the iron of the cauldron.

"Do you have a pair of shears and a sieve?" You ask suddenly.

Abby is intrigued, and little wonder this is her sort of magic, divination, though not of the future but of the present, the sieve atop a pair of shears was said among the cunning folk of New England to turn or fall when the answer to some burning question is positive, in this case the question is simple:

Will you sunder?

Slowly at first, then faster and faster as you speak the sieve begins to turn, drawn a raft set on in ethereal currents as words of old made new bubble from your lips:

"Expeller of evildoers,
loud is thy bark,
think not but bite,
balk not but strike!"


Verdant flame leaps from your hand into eldritch symbols that twist and devour the light all around, but lo that their shadow is not that of serpent, of dragon or wyrm, but a hound swift and sleek, with only its tail rising in alien semblance , the stinger of a scorpion.In verse that echoes younger days, still long past from memory to legend, mist shrouded tor and ghostly moor, speaks the daughter of Arawn, her soul like moonlit veil on the air, like the tears of the unquiet dead:

Let him be speechless, ghastly, wan,
Like him of whom the story ran,
Who spoke the spectre hound in man

And by that light you six you begin to turn, all six caught in a wild reel, with grace uncanny, with swiftness now of falling night. To argent beckons the hound now rises, mist and shadow ash and soot, of sweet thistle scented with eyes as white as rolling, blind to all but evildoers, them it sees past all deception

Green lighting dances though the silver fog that pours and pours from the depths of the cauldron, more than the iron can hold, more than mortal sorcery can bind.

"Don't...?" you begin to call out but Helen Beckit shakes her head, a pin flying from her tight but to clink on the floor unseen, hair flying wilder in the casting.

"I know my reach and my grasp."

So it seems she does as she draws through fingers adorned with gold and agates threads of grey mist that bind the shadow you had conjured from deathless essence and chants of old. She does not touch it as you feared she might. This was not a beast meant for petting, it could work naught but death and ruin upon all which it touched. yet it was still a dog and heart and not a wolf, to its master faithful friend.

Still dancing, still turning Pauline takes the threads in one hand and raises the other as though to cut, her words too soft to hear but not too soft to feel, in that all encompassing sight which allows you to spot even the most cunningly hidden of enemies, you see the danger before it can manifest.

"Don't cut it loose all at once, it does not have to be one curse, but many, that which the foe fears, but the master of the hearth does not, the hound at the threshold whose meat it fear, whose drink is warning praise. Make a..." thaunic focus point... geomantic spike, hollow heartstone socket. The words flow through your mind like water, but each one you know would cause more confusion than understanding. "A post, the length of the chain is your will and each link in the chain is a curse you want to work upon the interloper."

"But that's... you can't do...."

"Yes you can. Focus!" You shout, voice sharp with urgency. The chill around you grows until the mist of the cauldron falls down like sleet upon your creation, jet black hide turned grizzled with age and wisdom, in eyes of mist a spark of poison green now gleaming.

In the depths of your mind, among the alien gears of a power twice gifted, twice cursed, a voice, a recording, crackling with static from some far off flash whispers:

"Ig...iti...n"

Lost 4 Motes -> Now at 6/12

The sieve falls shatters as though it were made of crystal or ice as Pauline stumbles in her next step only for Lydia to catch her... and then the hound, the curse template speaks:

"Awaiting Instruction/Purpose/Meaning"

"Guard the house from all those of ill intent to Helen, warn her of danger and work mischief and misfortune upon the guilty matching each to their intent threefold."

The spirit... least god, something in you whispers, nods and melts into the floor.

Least God of the Threshold Created -> Constructive Convergence of Principles Charm discounted by 2 XP

Deathly silence falls in the wake of its passing, Lydia looks tired but exhilarated, Pauline shaken to her core, Abby keeps blinking owlishly as though trying to get rid of something in her eyes and Helen is still staring at the point where your collective... creation had gone. It's Anna who finally speaks:

"Did you mean to do that, whatever that is?"

Truth be told you had not, all you had been trying for was a flexible curse that would vary the amount of pain it inflicted according to the severity of the trespass, but, like someone attempting to make an alarm system and instead designing an AI, you had somewhat exceeded specifications. You bite back what might have been a somewhat giggle as you answer:

[] Yes, what better ward than a guardian

[] No, but this is even better than what you had envisaged


OOC: I had initially forgotten about Transcendent Lord of Flies which would have given you a more modest but still respectable 15 combined successes.... then I did a reroll with the proper DC and got 29.
 
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For their dice caps and target difficulty, everyone rolled well, and Molly rolled very well. Nobody rolled 20 sux on 20 dice though, this is all just a bunch of good results tackled upon each other. +One Infernal running excellency and difficulty adjuster.

Highlight is Molly rolling 18 dice, but with 20 dice/target difficulty 4 that is just very good, not an uber-legendary once in ever roll.
 
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[X] Yes, what batter ward than a guardian

So the vote options are "seem unreliable because we say one thing and do another" and "seem unreliable because we don't control our obviously super evil power very well".
Option one seems like the least bad choice.
 
on one side, i think we just made a certain someone's home super secure aganst all but the highest order of threats - the kind that Harry will consider as way above him, and then insult, on principle.

on the other, if one of them ever has a reason to glance at that threshold, unlikely as that seems, they will be most interested in this peculiar protection.
 
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