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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
[X] Counsel her that jumping into this headfirst is not the best idea, most people on the supernatural side keep a foot in both worlds
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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
If we had the kingdom charm right now would we invite Rosie in?
- Location
- washington
there's also the option of just being old with connections and money made over time.
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
As a permanent resident? Probably not. We'd rather she become a well rounded individual who can take the world as it is, who can come and go as she pleases without a single bridge being burned, and vanishing her without a paper trail very much burns one. Even if her family is less than great I'd still like her to spend at least half her time around human beings. The human world is a clusterfucky mess but it still has a lot of great stuff and people mixed in.
Our going corporate would help there, at least. It would be easier for people to find work with our acting as a brokerage for arcane or paperwork deprived goods and services, by which I mean stuff like our diamonds others produce, or as a job placement service. And I imagine we'll have a growing network of more mundane jobs that still require staffing by people in-the-know that would support more arcane side jobs. Some practitioners just won't find their craft suited for proper employment but that isn't all they can do.
The world is unforgiving but it doesn't need to stay that way, this being a cruelty of circumstance and not natural law.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I feel like you are being unfair to our loyal subjects. Our inner world will be just as real as this one.
- Location
- washington
well no can't be old in this quest I'd be amazed if we made it to 4 years in quest in 6 years time. Much less anything remotely old.
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
- Location
- ALSO SCREAMING.
It can be as real as you would like but never settle for half a thing when you can have all of it. Leaving now would mean sacrificing or at least permanently damaging her ability to deal with everything out here. One, she would be making a choice it would be hard for her to choose to step back from and, two, there its a bitch to come back when you were pretty much a missing persons report and that gets worse as time goes on. Hell, even with her parents having severe feet of clay I wouldn't want them wondering if she is dead or squatting in the corner of a drug den.
Escape is an easier drug to get addicted to than most. When enough time passes and she has roots and we can cover for a person disappearing then... maybe.
Then it will be an option but, if we do our job right, an option she doesn't feel she needs to take. She might want to, and god bless her if she does, but the world shouldn't be so godawful she needs to.
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- Location
- Germany
If Michael told the story to his not-yet-magical daughter it can't be that bad.
Don't get me wrong, I don't see any reason to talk about the Fallen right now, it would only scare Rosie for no good reason, but in general it's always better to have the knowledge out there than not.
Dresden not knowing about them is honestly much more a case of his protagonist-disease of needing the world explained to him.
It's very obvious that the majority of supernatural folk either know about the Fallen or, if any of them are nearby, would be better off knowing about them, to avoid or oppose them.
Most people dislike the end of the world after all and won't aid or abett those trying to being it about, regardless of personal power or morality.
Very much this.If information about the fallen, however it is presented, was so dangerous and damaging, Michael wouldn't have explained them to Dresden so easily, or to Molly in this quest.
EDIT: And, besides, this is the wrong thing to focus on in my vote. I mean, we could use the story of old man Matthews, or even our mother as inspiration. Point is - we know people who came back from having their lives ruined worse than Rosie's is.
Not sure if we know Dresden's story.
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The only one of the Laws of magic that cares about what kind of deals you make is the seventh, and it is strictly 'Thou Shalt Not Open the Outer Gates'. Other than that the Laws do not care, there are no technicalities and there are no lesser offenses for dealing with things that are not from the Outside, even if they are the Fallen. Same reason why burning someone within an inch of their lives does not break the First Law
More to the point 'What's an Outsider' is possibility an even more terrifying question than what a Fallen is... and it is one Molly is distressingly well equipped to answer by mortal standards. You cannot just give the boilerplate 'don't summon anything' advice when you have two summoned and bound spirits at the table with you.
With that said it is unlikely Rosie is going to be able to summon anything for a pretty long time. Dream magic is not best suited to the task until you get to the really high levels.
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- washington
By the way I'll note us lecturing her on almost anything aside from don't do this it stupid is kinda stupid? We haven't even begun getting modern occult and knowledge of the power players we have the knowledge equivalent of like 2 pages of a book on the modern supernatural politics. Which honestly was really hoping bob would help with like is that not something we could learn dp? Cause thats like half the point.
Agreed, and I'm not voting for this. I am voting to be emphatic to her issues and inspirational, to counsel her to become better. Thus empathy and Leadership excellencies. Everything else is wrapping around this skeleton.
Molly is pretty filled in by now actually, she can pick out types of Fey and make a guess on what kind of White Vampire might want a certain sort of business, she understands who is at war with who, who would like to be at war but for the lack of power and the big patronage and alliance links around North America.
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- washington
we don't know all the groups, the types of species, the minor species, the laws, and histories though right? I mean even dresden doesn't know of dozens if not more species right? That and the types of magics that exist and their various rules?
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Not all, but then neither does Harry, that is the kind of thing you roll Occult for and you are capable of rolling for it now.
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- washington
do we get a penalty can we use our occult to tie a certain magic to a certain modern species?
Yes, the more modern something is the harder it is to identify, it's the difference between literally having Usum in your head and having to remember what Bob told you.
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- washington
Okay so how can we get our occult score to be useful for 99% of occult stuff on the level of occult 5?
Through experience, there are no shortcuts, at least not ones that are remotely action-effective. Getting a line to Bob would make it so you can sub in his skills though.
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- washington
Well I do mean via training? Like how much time? We at the very least have some level of accelerated learning how long in years? Presumably it's doable in quest time? Cause our occult stat being useless for at minimum half the stuff we see is gonna be annoying.
'You may have some DC increases' is not the same as 'useless'. To get the equivalent of Harry's knowledge and get those DCs all down would take literally years of training, which are not really necessary. Unlike him you can throw Excellency at the problem, even DC 9 (and no not everything will be this hard, it is just an example) starts to look doable when you throw 18 dice at the problem.