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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[X] Yes, try to plant a cyberdevil in her phone (Charisma+Technology)
-[x] It's amazing how easy and reflexive picking a cyber devil from the wicked city has become. Easier now that you know this isn't going to be the last one by a long shot. It doesn't take a moment between deciding you want to bug Alyssa Katherine McGregor's Samsung SYNC and doing it. Nice you should be able to make use of her automatic music subscription on Napster and Yahoo! Ads more preservative then demons.
 
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Prospalz said:
I am not really sure I want to send another servant of ours to permanently reside in enemy's hands. Retrieving Rider is already becoming somewhat of a problem.
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In most cases I don't think that our devil's will mind being left in enemy hands. It will certainly be interesting.
 
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Wwind said:
Per wod that at doesn't stop it from being a place in umbra (never-never). Mages sometimes develop soul realms that are perfectly reachable through umbral travel. Not to mention the exaltations still have changed now.
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Perhaps, but wherever it opens up the fundamental nature is that of an internal exaltation in a thousand hells Halloween mask. Where people can get in doesn't necessarily say much about what we have to do inside.

Yog said:
Yeah, I can see it. I think that the perspective of "death is a mercy of the world that repairs wear and tear of the body, be it from damage in combat or ravages of time" would also be sufficiently innocent.
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I disagree; there's hardly any mystery to it at all if they go through the whole process multiple times. It's scary because it's final, but that's not the same in a lot of fundamental ways.

I can see where you're coming from, but I think it's missing a certain something that would elevate the situation.



BronzeTongue said:
The personal and political turmoil, the art, the cultural shock echoing across a billion+ people suddenly encountering something alien to their experience that's now inextricably part of their new world.
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Circling back to this for second (though it feels weird to quote myself) I'd like to point out that however it shakes out having a high tech hell means it can have its own internet. Which means wed have an excuse to make IC memes about whatever's happening at the time, or just about stuff in Molly's hell.




And other similar shitposting. Truly a most cursed and blessed charm. :V
 
BronzeTongue said:
I disagree; there's hardly any mystery to it at all if they go through the whole process multiple times. It's scary because it's final, but that's not the same in a lot of fundamental ways.

I can see where you're coming from, but I think it's missing a certain something that would elevate the situation.
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We'll probably have to agree to disagree, sorry about that. I think the perspective would be completely different though. I mean, I think I have a good enough analogy: imagine a tribe of sapient phoenixi that never encountered any animal other than themselves. To them, bursting into flames wouldn't be death. It would be organism's natural healing mechanism. Same here - death would be "the world correcting the accumulated damage". I'm not even sure if ritualistic final death happening under the care of specialists would be considered the same process at all. They are for us, outside of it all, but from the inside? I am not so sure. One is a natural process that heals the body and mind. The other is a magical ritual that forever removes you from the world, shrouded and mysticism and religion. They aren't the same.

Now, imagine the outside world, where, when hiking with a friend and getting trapped after an avalanche, you don't blow his and yours heads out. Where the common treatment for disfigurement isn't execution. Where hostage taking is possible and the stakes are different.

Also, yes, all the memes. We'll eventually have to work on connecting our world to the outside internet.
 
Yog said:
We'll probably have to agree to disagree, sorry about that. I think the perspective would be completely different though. I mean, I think I have a good enough analogy: imagine a tribe of sapient phoenixi that never encountered any animal other than themselves. To them, bursting into flames wouldn't be death. It would be organism's natural healing mechanism. Same here - death would be "the world correcting the accumulated damage". I'm not even sure if ritualistic final death happening under the care of specialists would be considered the same process at all. They are for us, outside of it all, but from the inside? I am not so sure. One is a natural process that heals the body and mind. The other is a magical ritual that forever removes you from the world, shrouded and mysticism and religion. They aren't the same.

Now, imagine the outside world, where, when hiking with a friend and getting trapped after an avalanche, you don't blow his and yours heads out. Where the common treatment for disfigurement isn't execution. Where hostage taking is possible and the stakes are different.

Also, yes, all the memes. We'll eventually have to work on connecting our world to the outside internet.
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Yeah; I see what you're saying, but I think there's a qualitative difference in the social consequences of one route over the other. Sure the phoenix of your metaphor view it as awful, but they also know what it is very intimately. They know the feeling of age and decline; the terror is in the permanence, not in grappling with a nearly alien experience of the world.

Best to just leave it there I guess.

Interdimensional internet would be fun through, especially if Molly started posting.

Would it be blasphemous for her to use this as her profile pic?

What ability would we roll to run a quest on HellishVelocity without giving the game away?
 
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glamor. "Sir Jack Huntington lived around your time did he not? Midsummer Night's Dream was first portrayed while he lived. He too said treason doth never prosper. Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

Mab just stops, not like a flesh and blood woman would pause to take stock, more like water turning to ice with a sudden frost. "Child be thou a thousand times mightier and a thousand times again you shall not stop me from daring to call a true thing true. I have dared grater peril than you can in your darkest nightmares contemplate."
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Sort of want to get NSS and see just how much willpower Mab is willing to spend to maintain that commitment.

Important question: what do we name the cyber devil we send out into the Whampires phone? I recommend Carmina.
 
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DragonParadox said:
No, there is no instant return aspect to the charm, the only way to get the devil back is to destroy it's housing. Well that or wait out the duration assuming it's not permanent.
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Would the cyber devil have enough control of the phone to bypass the safeties to fry it and/or cook off the battery?

A smart phone is a lot more fragile than a car, so it seems like it should be easier to destroy it for the purposes of the charm's escape clause.

Also, somewhat unrelated, but I wanted to ask about cyber devil security. Not sure if this has been answered already, but can they be used in place of regular encryption?

If we used some of the extra cash from the diamonds to buy cheap prepaid smartphones could we load them with devils then pass them out to Lydia, Micheal, and Charity to have secure communications?
 
BronzeTongue said:
Would the cyber devil have enough control of the phone to bypass the safeties to fry it and/or cook off the battery?

A smart phone is a lot more fragile than a car, so it seems like it should be easier to destroy it for the purposes of the charm's escape clause.

Also, somewhat unrelated, but I wanted to ask about cyber devil security. Not sure if this has been answered already, but can they be used in place of regular encryption?

If we used some of the extra cash from the diamonds to buy cheap prepaid smartphones could we load them with devils then pass them out to Lydia, Micheal, and Charity to have secure communications?
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I would say no, that is not the kind of thing that is tied into the processor.
 
As for encryption, when they are actually speaking to each other cyberdevils can be as good at encryption as you would expect two people with professional knowledge of codding to be, assuming they did not eat, drink or need to go to the bathroom, which is to say they are decent at it but not as good as bespoke encryption software
 
DragonParadox said:
I would say no, that is not the kind of thing that is tied into the processor.
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The major cause of lithium ion battery failure explosions are short circuits between the anode and cathode, which happens when the bit of plastic separating them fails. Usually it's a manufacturing defect, but I could see a cyber devil melting/deforming a bit of plastic by redlining everything even if it couldn't directly cook off the battery cells.

Fair enough if you just don't want to deal with it though.
 
BronzeTongue said:
The major cause of lithium ion battery failure explosions are short circuits between the anode and cathode, which happens when the bit of plastic separating them fails. Usually it's a manufacturing defect, but I could see a cyber devil melting/deforming a bit of plastic by redlining everything even if it couldn't directly cook off the battery cells.

Fair enough if you just don't want to deal with it though.
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Molly could certainly modify a phone that allows the resident devil to self-destruct, but as long as there is nothing the electronic or mobile parts of the phone can do to melt it the phone cannot self destruct into a bomb in someone's pocket.
 
At least cyberdevils provide better antivirus then money can buy. Virus basically always depend on the system that they are inflecting not being smart.
 
Goldfish said:
It's almost certainly not for driving around. I doubt it's for use as trophy, either, and using it as an arcane focus doesn't make much sense to me. More likely, Katrina recently had some dealings with the White Court and they want the car to tie up loose ends, on the off chance that it might point someone in their direction if they have the Sight to see such things.
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Possible.

Lara has controlled the White Court for the last couple years though, and I dont see any benefit to her or the White Court from helping Kattrin with anything. Quite the opposite; involvement with Kattrin here would pull aggro with both Odin and Mab as well as the White Council.

And while Papa Raith was quite happy to work with black magicians and to make a deal with an Outsider, Whampire corporate policys seem to have generally avoided involvement with the Denarians and necromancers
Probably because they want to control society, not blow it up.

Which is why Im suddenly possessed of burning curiosity.
BronzeTongue said:
You have a point, but it's worth considering that as far as vampires go she's really young, and that the culture isn't necessarily the same in terms of her options and access to personal resources. The freedom and lifestyles of Thomas and his siblings aren't necessarily representative of the average white court vamp, since they have relational politics on their side to at least some extent.

It's possible that she's high enough on the totem pole that she isn't easily capable of screwing off like the ones that live in the undercity are apparently allowed to (in contrast with Thomas' crazy sister), but low enough she's still basically a goon that needs more social leverage to get personal luxury resources instead of needing to justify how she spends house funds.

Alternatively, if she is actually the white court version of a baronet or similar, she could be trawling for cheap but fancy cars to class herself up on a budget by accessorizing her goons. There's a lot of speculation in this line of reasoning, so I could be off in a number of ways. However, I think it's overall more likely that this is something simple and direct rather than being some sort of plot.
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-Yeah, she's young by Whamp standards at 39. She, Thomas and Charity would be age mates. That said, by mortal standards a mortal professional would be near mid-career. Say, a Big Law associate who graduated law school at 25 would have been practicing for 14 years. Ditto a doctor who started college at 18. It seems a reasonable extrapolation.

-To the best of my knowledge, most Whites who arent just trust fund babies mooching off family fortunes(see: Madeline Raith) are either installed in positions of social influence or are very well off.

Connor Black in the Jury Duty short story was a Malvora and stockbroker. Tania Raith in the same story was the assistant and handler of an assistant DA after graduating law school. Madrigal Raith was a movie director. Charles Barrowhill from the "I was a Teenage Bigfoot" short story was a businessman with Congressmen in his pocket and his own personal security team of ghouls.

And of course Thomas was officially cut off financially, blew his nestegg on bailing Dresden out with Kincaid, and then bootstrapped his way back up to successful small business owner.
Only one I can recall who wasnt just very well off was Inari Raith, and she was barely out of college.

Functional Whites dont really seem to do poor in the Dresden Files. Too many social advantages.
But thats canon, and this is an AU. We'll see how the QM chooses to handle it.
Cavalar said:
I feel a bit vindicated now.
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Not confirmed yet.

Prospalz said:
I am not really sure I want to send another servant of ours to permanently reside in enemy's hands. Retrieving Rider is already becoming somewhat of a problem.
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Eh.
By the time we get our Hell up and running, we'll either be able to dispatch backup teams for that sort of thing if necessary.
Or we'll buy a Hellfire Path/Fortune Path ritual for precisely this eventuality.

There's also a 2-dot charm, Electric Devil Caress, for locating, identifying, accessing, controlling and destroying electronics in an Essence*5 yards radius.
Which is on my mediumterm buy list, because it allows us to identify electronic devices, and to pwn people's phones electronics.

DragonParadox said:
Molly could certainly modify a phone that allows the resident devil to self-destruct, but as long as there is nothing the electronic or mobile parts of the phone can do to melt it the phone cannot self destruct into a bomb in someone's pocket.
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Destroying a phone doesnt really require any of that.
Delete the firmware and the phone stops working. EMP the phone and the electronics will burn out.
Unless by destroyed, you mean with physical signs of damage.
 
uju32 said:
Possible.

Lara has controlled the White Court for the last couple years though, and I dont see any benefit to her or the White Court from helping Kattrin with anything. Quite the opposite; involvement with Kattrin here would pull aggro with both Odin and Mab as well as the White Council.

And while Papa Raith was quite happy to work with black magicians and to make a deal with an Outsider, Whampire corporate policys seem to have generally avoided involvement with the Denarians and necromancers
Probably because they want to control society, not blow it up.

Which is why Im suddenly possessed of burning curiosity.

-Yeah, she's young by Whamp standards at 39. She, Thomas and Charity would be age mates. That said, by mortal standards a mortal professional would be near mid-career. Say, a Big Law associate who graduated law school at 25 would have been practicing for 14 years. Ditto a doctor who started college at 18. It seems a reasonable extrapolation.

-To the best of my knowledge, most Whites who arent just trust fund babies mooching off family fortunes(see: Madeline Raith) are either installed in positions of social influence or are very well off.

Connor Black in the Jury Duty short story was a Malvora and stockbroker. Tania Raith in the same story was the assistant and handler of an assistant DA after graduating law school. Madrigal Raith was a movie director. Charles Barrowhill from the "I was a Teenage Bigfoot" short story was a businessman with Congressmen in his pocket and his own personal security team of ghouls.

And of course Thomas was officially cut off financially, blew his nestegg on bailing Dresden out with Kincaid, and then bootstrapped his way back up to successful small business owner.
Only one I can recall who wasnt just very well off was Inari Raith, and she was barely out of college.

Functional Whites dont really seem to do poor in the Dresden Files. Too many social advantages.
But thats canon, and this is an AU. We'll see how the QM chooses to handle it.

Not confirmed yet.


Eh.
By the time we get our Hell up and running, we'll either be able to dispatch backup teams for that sort of thing if necessary.
Or we'll buy a Hellfire Path/Fortune Path ritual for precisely this eventuality.

There's also a 2-dot charm, Electric Devil Caress, for locating, identifying, accessing, controlling and destroying electronics in an Essence*5 yards radius.
Which is on my mediumterm buy list, because it allows us to identify electronic devices, and to pwn people's phones electronics.


Destroying a phone doesnt really require any of that.
Delete the firmware and the phone stops working. EMP the phone and the electronics will burn out.
Unless by destroyed, you mean with physical signs of damage.
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A piece of possessed electronics, whether that be a phone or a high tech toaster cannot be destroyed by any loss of software, that is because the demon does not work off the software, it suborns it. So for instance a demon in the toaster is just as smart as the one in the phone despite the fact that one has vastly more complex software than the other. That said an EMP would do it, as that physically damages the device in a wide spectrum manner.
 
uju32 said:
Functional Whites dont really seem to do poor in the Dresden Files. Too many social advantages.
But thats canon, and this is an AU. We'll see how the QM chooses to handle it.
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High appearance, and a few unnatural mental influence 'charms*' ontop of that. With just that a white should be able to do well even without any social skills. And there is nothing stopping them from developing good social skills besides laziness (which should not be discounted as something that likely happens alot).

Anyone want to try and create a standard white court vampire template?

*What do we call them?
 
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Just superhuman appearance could suffice to represent mid-level white vamp social; rules allow to breeze through most social interactions without a roll as long as your Attribute+Skill is high enough. Superhuman is high enough for most everything.

Stuff that Lara does to Papa Raith and other blatant mind-manipulation stuff that comes out when White Vamp Tries Really Hard could be represented with oWoD Dominate, probably. Hedge Magic Fascinate is also a good reference for effects, if unsuitable mechanically.
 
Speaking of appearance - if we were to use TTC for an hour each morning for beautiification purposes (spa, tanning booth, makeup using robotic manipulators with submicrometer precision and mechanically precise coloring, hair and nail styling), would that affect our effective appearance score?
 
Yog said:
Speaking of appearance - if we were to use TTC for an hour each morning for beautiification purposes (spa, tanning booth, makeup using robotic manipulators with submicrometer precision and mechanically precise coloring, hair and nail styling), would that affect our effective appearance score?
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I think a more relevant question is what the difficulty is on the willpower roll Molly needs to make to stick her head into whatever demented bastard child of a blender, squid, and salon hair drier TTC conjures up for her. :V
 
Yog said:
Speaking of appearance - if we were to use TTC for an hour each morning for beautiification purposes (spa, tanning booth, makeup using robotic manipulators with submicrometer precision and mechanically precise coloring, hair and nail styling), would that affect our effective appearance score?
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I mean logically going to a high end beauty salon would give a temporary bonus to appearance. And Tool Transcending Constructs allow us to manifest whatever tools we want for the purpose of creating, modifying, or repairing something which should include ourself. But I would expect a somewhat transhuman bent if we used it like that.

Most likely we could reduce the XP cost for buying appearance.
 
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I wonder what we'll be rolling for beautification from hell. Also, as a bonus, Molly won't be hogging the shower - her siblings will be grateful at least.
BronzeTongue said:
I think a more relevant question is what the difficulty is on the willpower roll Molly needs to make to stick her head into whatever demented bastard child of a blender, squid, and salon hair drier TTC conjures up for her. :V
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Normally true, but on a bit more serious note Molly knows that TTC manifestations can't hurt her. Charity, on the other hand, might have to roll willpower if she ever walks in on us using steel cutting lasers for skin cair.
 
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