That would work but if you want literal worldwide coverage and the Nevernever you will need an artifact.
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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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That would work but if you want literal worldwide coverage and the Nevernever you will need an artifact.
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- [X] Ask Arawn how confident he is of staying ahead of Mab, suggest that we may be able to come up with a solution in the next couple of months if he works with us.
Can we afford Essence 3 and The THousand and Oneth Hell? That would be a great place for Lydia and Arawn to hide out from Mab.
I also wonder if we can use VEE on Arawn to remove his Enemy - Mab Flaw.
- [X] Ask Arawn how confident he is of staying ahead of Mab, suggest that we may be able to come up with a solution in the next couple of months if he works with us.
Can we afford Essence 3 and The THousand and Oneth Hell? That would be a great place for Lydia and Arawn to hide out from Mab.
I also wonder if we can use VEE on Arawn to remove his Enemy - Mab Flaw.
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So just Undertown and other dead zones for reception, then?
Yeah that could be done with pure tech.
Did Arawn already ice corpsetaker, and if he did can we use another ghost to fuel the ritual?
[X] Point out that even if he gets away this time they will never be safe from Mab unless they reach some kind of deal
-[X] Explain how we suspect Lydia is part of Mab's plans, and how she too won't be safe from her unless some sort of deal is reached.
-[X] Propose the mantle swap
--[X] Explain how it can be done without (permanent) harm
--[X] Ask Matthews if he's interested. Point out how it would protect him from Kemmlerite retribution.
-[X] Use social excellency
-[X] Stunt: "No, though not wholly for your sake. Tyrant she may be, but that does not make you less a traitor. You who were once a king broke your bonds of fealty. You who were once and may yet be a defender of the dead broke bread with their greatest defiler and bartered for godhood. An act that allowed for the greatest advancement and proliferation of necromancy in the modern era."
—[X] Molly looks him in the eyes, searching for the man behind the mask "If in ages past one of yours had done as you have, as Holt had, would you hold them blameless?" She says with a heavy sigh. " Knowing your daughter makes me want to believe in your better nature, that I misunderstand some of what I've seen, but I find it hard to trust that"
—[X] " However, what she would do to you is not justice, and the innocent in and around your life do not deserve to be caught in it either. "
—[X] "None of you will know peace or safety until a new accord can be reached"
This may be too confrontational, but I think it's worth noting that Arawn is a traitor by the value systems of his time and ours and that what he did had consequences.
Especially since he's trying to play us so obviously. We can work with him, but I don't want to deal with him trying to manipulate us by playing like he's an innocent being cruelly bullied by Mab.
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I'll probably put a better version of something like this up later. I just don't have the time to clean it up more now since I'm doing this during my lunch break.
[X] Point out that even if he gets away this time they will never be safe from Mab unless they reach some kind of deal
-[X] Explain how we suspect Lydia is part of Mab's plans, and how she too won't be safe from her unless some sort of deal is reached.
-[X] Propose the mantle swap
--[X] Explain how it can be done without (permanent) harm
--[X] Ask Matthews if he's interested. Point out how it would protect him from Kemmlerite retribution.
-[X] Use social excellency
-[X] Stunt: "No, though not wholly for your sake. Tyrant she may be, but that does not make you less a traitor. You who were once a king broke your bonds of fealty. You who were once and may yet be a defender of the dead broke bread with their greatest defiler and bartered for godhood. An act that allowed for the greatest advancement and proliferation of necromancy in the modern era."
—[X] Molly looks him in the eyes, searching for the man behind the mask "If in ages past one of yours had done as you have, as Holt had, would you hold them blameless?" She says with a heavy sigh. " Knowing your daughter makes me want to believe in your better nature, that I misunderstand some of what I've seen, but I find it hard to trust that"
—[X] " However, what she would do to you is not justice, and the innocent in and around your life do not deserve to be caught in it either. "
—[X] "None of you will know peace or safety until a new accord can be reached"
This may be too confrontational, but I think it's worth noting that Arawn is a traitor by the value systems of his time and ours and that what he did had consequences.
Especially since he's trying to play us so obviously. We can work with him, but I don't want to deal with him trying to manipulate us by playing like he's an innocent being cruelly bullied by Mab.
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I'll probably put a better version of something like this up later. I just don't have the time to clean it up more now since I'm doing this during my lunch break.
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I love eeeet
Like, they just planned and attempted to blackmail the actual experienced god by threatening the family, something which he also fears. If you want manipulation, make it in terms of 'eternal soul this', 'hunt them down that' instead of this 'you'll be safe' nonsense, even in the winter faction.
You're all also assuming that Arawn will actually want to shed the mantle. I suppose that'll be in the realm of dice-rolls.
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Now I'm imagining Mab making a counter-argument appealing to the fact of the Confederacy attempting to declare independence and being coerced back in line.
Then Arawn objects that the Confederacy was trying to preserve slavery, and Mab retorts that the Union didn't invade to abolish slavery, that was a side effect of Union invading to subjugate the Confederacy.
Yes, Mab plans to murder her father and hold returning him to life hostage on her signing up to eternal slavery.
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We used the Crown to get the certainty.
Something we are trying to keep secret, which is why we are presenting it as a best guess.
I'm not sure why Matthews would want to become the Eldest Ankou. Doing so is likely to at best significantly compromise his free will, and by doing so he and his grandchildren will be under threat from both the Kemmlerites, who will be after him to eat him, and also from Mab, as she can and will threaten his grandchildren to get additional leverage over him.
It's a shit deal for him. If he's wanted immortality that badly, he could have figuratively sold his soul to the Kemmlerites and been a necromancer, rather than literally selling his soul to Mab.
Fomori are shit though, and that's the type of supernatural you can get from the Thousand and Oneth Hell. Solars and Abyssals can make vastly better minions.
It's a shit deal for him. If he's wanted immortality that badly, he could have figuratively sold his soul to the Kemmlerites and been a necromancer, rather than literally selling his soul to Mab.
Fomori are shit though, and that's the type of supernatural you can get from the Thousand and Oneth Hell. Solars and Abyssals can make vastly better minions.
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The Kemmlerites are not interested in the Eldest Ankou's mantle exept as a foe, as far as I can tell.
They wanted Arawn for his unique mortal/divinity whatever gained with Kemmlers help.
So, some comments about the chapter:
1) The description of the Exaltation as a "reverse mantle" is something I like very much. In a way, Molly is her exaltation's mantle or something very close to it. The thing that defines the role of the mantle's bearer, something that empowers, constraints, directs. Yes, it fits very well. And it also fits with the fundamental difference in the purpose of the mantles and exaltations. Mantles are the tools intended to preserve the status quo of the world in the basest of meanings - to preserve the world itself. Exaltations are the weapons of the first and greatest revolution. They are the bringers of change, whether said change is constructive, transformative or destructive.
Mantles are, in a way, anti-exaltations.
2) Arawn can't tell what our exaltation is, but he can guess a lot. He can tell that it's a "seer's crown" at a glance. So, Mab is very likely to know that our accurate guesses come from being able to scry her, whether we tell her or not.
3) Arawn is familiar with Lanka, based on the quote "there is am flame I know, but only from its bindings now broken.".
1) The description of the Exaltation as a "reverse mantle" is something I like very much. In a way, Molly is her exaltation's mantle or something very close to it. The thing that defines the role of the mantle's bearer, something that empowers, constraints, directs. Yes, it fits very well. And it also fits with the fundamental difference in the purpose of the mantles and exaltations. Mantles are the tools intended to preserve the status quo of the world in the basest of meanings - to preserve the world itself. Exaltations are the weapons of the first and greatest revolution. They are the bringers of change, whether said change is constructive, transformative or destructive.
Mantles are, in a way, anti-exaltations.
2) Arawn can't tell what our exaltation is, but he can guess a lot. He can tell that it's a "seer's crown" at a glance. So, Mab is very likely to know that our accurate guesses come from being able to scry her, whether we tell her or not.
3) Arawn is familiar with Lanka, based on the quote "there is am flame I know, but only from its bindings now broken.".
1)More like a bluff.
He got mousetrapped and trussed up like a lamb to the slaughter by Kattrin and the Corpsetaker.
He has no allies.
Immediately threatening a member of the rescue team seems unwise at best, and presupposes he's strong enough to punch through the mental defenses of the guy who fucked over the Darkhallow last year.
2)Like I said, I know very little about his motives.
You might be right. The deal with Kemmler keeps in the forefront of my brain though.
And I'm not at all missing that he's trying to manipulate us; he timed that question about tyrants for Lydia's return.
Lydia may be our friend. Arawn has thus far only proven to be the enemy of our enemy.
Nah.
Harry is doing a job for Mab is not the same thing as Harry being in debt to Mab.
We know about the debt; he doesnt.
Besides, Harry has been Mab's Emissary before, during Summer Knight.
Thats should be common knowledge among supernaturals.
Yeah.
Charm's better.
Because it provides protection from his old associates coming to force him back into service, like just happened with Kattrin.
Because it means he has the full force of Winter behind him as backup when necessary.
Because it provides a living and protection for his grandkids until they grow up.
Because its insurance against the White Council misunderstanding the events here and seeking to punish him.
Elaine Mallory went into service with the Summer Court for protection after fleeing DuMorne for much the same reason.
Its entirely dependent on which type of Fomori you get. Your 1-2 Gift mook is a very different matter from a 6-Gift Ferectoi.
And no, they arent the only type of supernatural you get, just an example; the option says, and I quote:
What types of supernaturals are there is a matter of game balance and QM fiat.
There could be a small population of fomori and psychics.
Or we could have more wizards than the White Council. Or a breeding population of lesser dragons. Or a bunch of Incarna-level spirits. Even a bunch of former inhabitants of the Thousand Hells like Shikome Assassins is a fairly potent set of enforcers.
Thats a matter of QM fiat.
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He has Wards specifically against Fae at his home.
He won't be interested.
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Pretty sure that one's a bit out there.
The Yama Kings are the only things close to being Incarna-level spirits in their Hells.
But yeah, the local spirits can be pretty good in their own right.
Looking at Shikome, or Lanka's Rakshasa or the Wicked City's cyborg-assassin things, there are powerful things down there.
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I'm hoping we have dinosaurs just for the sheer wtf of bringing a dinosaur to earth.
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If it's a bluff it's a good one, since Molly seems to believe he'll try.
That's certainly true, but not a mark against him in my book.
He's in a bad position, even if he seems confident. He plays what cards he has.
His situation might actually be better if dad were here, but that's idle speculation.
It is worth keeping in mind that per Corpsetaker the mental defenses of the White Council's wardens are terrible for their potential skill level because they do not practice properly for fear of the Laws. Harry had plenty of raw will on this side, but that is about all he has... unless he is willing to cut a deal with Lash for a boost, but there is no way Arawn can know about her.
One of his grandkids was kidnapped by Thule Society operatives, he was coerced out of retirement and he literally got mindjacked to almost sacrifice himself in a blood ritual until we got there and interfered.
Theres's good odds he is undergoing a rapid threat reassessment of whats more hazardous to his life and family.
Are we talking the same thing?
Incarna-level spirits in World of Darkness are not the same thing as Incarna-level spirits from Exalted.
They're a rank below Celestine-level spirits
Incarna (WOD)
Incarna is a term used by the Fera to describe a certain class of spirits; weaker than the Celestines, but still greater spirits by any measure. An Incarna is a powerful spirit among the denizens of the Umbra, usually a servant to a Celestine servings as servants, warriors, and advisors to those...
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1)Good bluff sure. Dude's more than a thousand years old; he kinda has to have a good poker face.
2)Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on how fair Michael thinks he's playing. Really hard to lie to a Knight's face when they are on the job
Oh sure, they arent anywhere near where they should be against an insidious threat like the Corpsetaker.
But something like a straight mental attack, they seem to be pretty good against.
Wizards have been walking through Blampire and phobophage mind whammies for decades.
And critically, Arawn is in no position to know what current WC mental training standards are like.
Corpsetaker used to be White Council, so she had a good idea, and knew how to defeat it.
Arawn wasnt.
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Right, mixed those up.Are we talking the same thing?
Incarna-level spirits in World of Darkness are not the same thing as Incarna-level spirits from Exalted.
They're a rank below Celestine-level spirits
Incarna (WOD)
Incarna is a term used by the Fera to describe a certain class of spirits; weaker than the Celestines, but still greater spirits by any measure. An Incarna is a powerful spirit among the denizens of the Umbra, usually a servant to a Celestine servings as servants, warriors, and advisors to those...
I thought Incarna were the highest tier.
Thanks.
He just claimed Capricorpus just as he did those poor museum workers, although she was far less willing... her insights may not be that far from him. Also in terms of the nature of his powers, sleep and death are not so distant kin Hypnos was brother to Thanatos. Just because he lost to a bunch of Kemlerities who had a plan and awareness of his weakness it does not mean Arawn is fundamentally weaker than them in all things.