Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

@uju32, are you completely opposed to contacting Gard?

For those voting to ask Harry for information, you should keep in mind that the feds who kidnapped him with plans for blackmail have absolutely no reason to respect his right to attorney client privilege or general privacy. They're already off the legal reservation, so one more violation of Harry's rights is basically guaranteed at this point.

Also, Harry is not nearly as knowledgeable as Bob about pretty much any magic-related topics you could think of, especially necromancy. He might not have the slightest clue what a Black Feast is, for example, while Bob was probably looking over Kemmler's shoulder when the ritual was devised.

[X] uju32

Yeah, I don't trust the Feds as far as my noodly arms could throw them, that's why I'm hoping to use Molly's socials in directly helping Foothill get Harry released. Then we can talk face-to-face and I'd think our cyberdevils could fuck any direct eavesdropping devices. As sure, I Dresden doesn't know as much as Bob, but if we are time limited I think it's best to alert people who DO know what a big deal Capircorpus is first thing so they can do their own prep while we do ours.

Can't really draw what I'm thinking but I see it as we use our first "time step" to give Dresden and Michael an alert, so they get more "time steps" to do their own preparations. The hope is we'd use the second time step to then grill Bob, or act on whatever the two above know.

Of course could be we're super time limited and won't have any time after visiting Dresden to pop by Bob, but I don't think we are that time limited and if we were, well spending time on Bob would leave us in an end of Watchman style situation of stuff already happening 30-min ago and we should probably try alpha striking even with limited to no info.
 
For those voting to ask Harry for information, you should keep in mind that the feds who kidnapped him with plans for blackmail have absolutely no reason to respect his right to attorney client privilege or general privacy. They're already off the legal reservation, so one more violation of Harry's rights is basically guaranteed at this point.
The idea is to brief him after he's sprung from jail and the Feds are no longer monitoring him. They can't keep surveillance on him after he's free and we have some distance from the station. Not without planting bugs, which is hard when Harry's techbane is in play.
 
The idea is to brief him after he's sprung from jail and the Feds are no longer monitoring him. They can't keep surveillance on him after he's free and we have some distance from the station. Not without planting bugs, which is hard when Harry's techbane is in play.
It's Saturday. Harry isn't getting out of custody before Monday unless he Kool-Aid Man's through the wall or just says 'Fuck it!' and opens a Way right their in the jail and walks out.
 
Yeah, I don't trust the Feds as far as my noodly arms could throw them, that's why I'm hoping to use Molly's socials in directly helping Foothill get Harry released. Then we can talk face-to-face and I'd think our cyberdevils could fuck any direct eavesdropping devices. As sure, I Dresden doesn't know as much as Bob, but if we are time limited I think it's best to alert people who DO know what a big deal Capircorpus is first thing so they can do their own prep while we do ours.

Can't really draw what I'm thinking but I see it as we use our first "time step" to give Dresden and Michael an alert, so they get more "time steps" to do their own preparations. The hope is we'd use the second time step to then grill Bob, or act on whatever the two above know.

Of course could be we're super time limited and won't have any time after visiting Dresden to pop by Bob, but I don't think we are that time limited and if we were, well spending time on Bob would leave us in an end of Watchman style situation of stuff already happening 30-min ago and we should probably try alpha striking even with limited to no info.
We dont know the Capriocorpus is a Big Deal IC.
Hence no justification to freak out before we learn who that is from Bob. And talking to Bob right now is the fastest option for information on the current threat; 15-30 minutes is ample.

PS
Worth noting:
The Capriocorpus can materialize themselves a temporary body as of the events of Ghost Story.
Powerful ghosts can do this; Kravos' Nightmare did so in Grave Peril, and Dresden did so himself in Ghost Story.
Im beginning to think she was the one who framed Dresden on the security footage.

He did kill her after all; taking his shape to frame him for murder looks like something she would do.
 
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[X] Go see Harry along with Father Forthil as he shows the tape to the CPD, if you are going to spring him before Monday it's going to take some fast talking especially since the argument is 'this is weird supernatural stuff you do not want to get mixed into'
-[X] Have Clippy text Dad with the basic details, aka "Nazi necromancers kidnapped little girl to force her grandfather to do shady stuff," and have her continue to brief him as needed and get him to meet up with us.
--[X] Ensure text includes mentions of a 'Black Feast' and 'Capricorpus'
-[X] After Harry has been briefed on the situation, ask him if he thinks we should call Gard for more backup against Katrina or go straight to using the Crown and then rescuing Cindy, he knows more about whatever supernatural creature they are than you do
 
The idea is to brief him after he's sprung from jail and the Feds are no longer monitoring him. They can't keep surveillance on him after he's free and we have some distance from the station. Not without planting bugs, which is hard when Harry's techbane is in play.
Dp put it as one of the suggested actions.
The Game master thinks it's possible.
Whether it's optimal...
Legally, they can hold him until Monday IIRC.
Even if we can get them to bend the rules to get him out early, which is possible because Chicago vs Infernal Exalt Socials, this is going to take TIME. Possibly a couple hours to navigate the bureaucracy of the CPD.

Literally every other option on the list is faster, including getting a meeting with Gard.

The time is around 12PM now. My thinking is to get that headsup from Bob first.
THEN we can call Murphy and tell her that Forthill is there with a tape confirming Dresden's alibi, before we go to talk to Gard.
If we're done talking to Gard and he isnt out, THEN we go to the station, if we still have time.
 
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can our demons tell if someones listening to them when their a phone like a wiretap?
I dont think so.
Modern wiretaps are either a computer thing at the exchange instead of a physical device on a wire, or they are a stingray for cellphones.

I'd just buy another burner phone, have Clippy call through that line, and have Dresden charge Mab for it.
 
It's Saturday. Harry isn't getting out of custody before Monday unless he Kool-Aid Man's through the wall or just says 'Fuck it!' and opens a Way right their in the jail and walks out.

Well, I think Molly's socials could expedite this, especially since there has to be one person around willing to take the evidence and just listen so they can bail earlier on Friday right?>

We dont know the Capriocorpus is a Big Deal IC.
Hence no justification to freak out before we learn who that is from Bob. And talking to Bob right now is the fastest option for information on the current threat; 15-30 minutes is ample.

PS
Worth noting:
The Capriocorpus can materialize themselves a temporary body as of the events of Ghost Story.
Powerful ghosts can do this; Kravos' Nightmare did so in Grave Peril, and Dresden did so himself in Ghost Story.
Im beginning to think she was the one who framed Dresden on the security footage.

He did kill her after all; taking his shape to frame him for murder looks like something she would do.

Yes I know meta-wise we don't know. However, the fact that the name was mentioned in the Super Sketch Nazi Planning Session Molly eavesdropped on means I think there is plently of IC reason for Molly to share it with people she trusts which in this case includes people that would know to raise the alarm bells and can tell Molly IC what a big deal the Capricorpus is.

As for Bob being quick, well that kinda does depend on travel times right? I dont except DP to model the entirety of Chicago, but I imagine there has to be some of that involved. And we know they're willing to post a sniper overlooking the apartment so shrug
 
I dont think so.
Modern wiretaps are either a computer thing at the exchange instead of a physical device on a wire, or they are a stingray for cellphones.

I'd just buy another burner phone, have Clippy call through that line, and have Dresden charge Mab for it.
I'm now imagining dresden trying to get mab to pay for something.
 
Trivially easy for the demons to hide any contact with each other, just have them talk in the demon language. or some other cypher, they are in the computer code.
 
[X] Go see Harry along with Father Forthil as he shows the tape to the CPD, if you are going to spring him before Monday it's going to take some fast talking especially since the argument is 'this is weird supernatural stuff you do not want to get mixed into'
-[X] Have Clippy text Dad with the basic details, aka "Nazi necromancers kidnapped little girl to force her grandfather to do shady stuff," and have her continue to brief him as needed and get him to meet up with us.
--[X] Ensure text includes mentions of a 'Black Feast' and 'Capricorpus'
-[X] After Harry has been briefed on the situation, ask him if he thinks we should call Gard for more backup against Katrina or go straight to using the Crown and then rescuing Cindy, he knows more about whatever supernatural creature they are than you do


Changing my vote to the updated version of this.
 
Well, I think Molly's socials could expedite this, especially since there has to be one person around willing to take the evidence and just listen so they can bail earlier on Friday right?>



Yes I know meta-wise we don't know. However, the fact that the name was mentioned in the Super Sketch Nazi Planning Session Molly eavesdropped on means I think there is plently of IC reason for Molly to share it with people she trusts which in this case includes people that would know to raise the alarm bells and can tell Molly IC what a big deal the Capricorpus is.

As for Bob being quick, well that kinda does depend on travel times right? I dont except DP to model the entirety of Chicago, but I imagine there has to be some of that involved. And we know they're willing to post a sniper overlooking the apartment so shrug
The only people she trusts that well are her father and Dresden.
Her father isnt going to be up on magical society lore the way Bob is.
And Dresden is in jail.

I imagine that travel times from St Mary's to Dresden's apartment building on a Sat afternoon is not going to be worse than travel time to CPD HQ. At his apartment we get to see Bob immediately, and then walk out.

At CPD HQ we wait our turn to talk to the cops. Then wait time before you see whoever's in charge of the case over the weekend, then we have to get their boss to come in on a Saturday afternoon in summer, plus the FBI, then we actually have to deal with the lockup.....Just looking at the Cook County Jail website, paying bail is estimated to routinely take at least two to three hours.

There's a reason Im fairly sure this is the most time consuming option. Let Forthill start on it.
 
Dp put it as one of the suggested actions.

The Game master thinks it's possible.

Whether it's optimal...
Well, I think Molly's socials could expedite this, especially since there has to be one person around willing to take the evidence and just listen so they can bail earlier on Friday right?>
If it happens it won't be because of our social skills or the videotape, though the tape could eventually legally exonerate Harry.

It'll be because someone with serious clout pulled enough strings to put Agent Cole's boss's nuts in the frying pan, and probably his boss's boss, too.
 
If it happens it won't be because of our social skills or the videotape, though the tape could eventually legally exonerate Harry.

It'll be because someone with serious clout pulled enough strings to put Agent Cole's boss's nuts in the frying pan, and probably his boss's boss, too.

One thing that should be noted, you have inhuman amounts of charisma and intimidation, like a legendary success is 5 successes. With the right stunt Molly can roll 20 intimidation die and get twice that many successes on average for intimidation. That is the point where people might well be more scared of whatever you are threatening them with than trying to get the bail request before a judge on a Sunday.

Just as a general example, you do not have to intimidate, it is just what Molly is best at.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 1, 2022 at 3:55 PM, finished with 200 posts and 15 votes.

  • [X] Get more information from Bob, maybe he knows who Capricorpus is, that's a new name
    -[X]Text Michael.Tell him you've handed off tape to Forthill. Add heads up, and ask him to get his stuff while you try getting some extra information from Harry's place.
    [X] Go see Harry along with Father Forthil as he shows the tape to the CPD, if you are going to spring him before Monday it's going to take some fast talking especially since the argument is 'this is weird supernatural stuff you do not want to get mixed into'
    -[X] Have Clippy text Dad with the basic details, aka "Nazi necromancers kidnapped little girl to force her grandfather to do shady stuff," and have her continue to brief him as needed and get him to meet up with us.
    --[X] Ensure text includes mentions of a 'Black Feast' and 'Capricorpus'
    -[X] After Harry has been briefed on the situation, ask him if he thinks we should call Gard for more backup against Katrina or go straight to using the Crown and then rescuing Cindy, he knows more about whatever supernatural creature they are than you do
    [X] Go see Harry along with Father Forthil as he shows the tape to the CPD, if you are going to spring him before Monday it's going to take some fast talking especially since the argument is 'this is weird supernatural stuff you do not want to get mixed into'
    [X] Ask Black Rider to kill the engine so you win some time
    -[X] Search for Cindy with the Crown if you can get her out Katrina loses her leverage on Matthews
    -[X] Call Gard, ask her if she has a sister with a sideline in kidnapping children and trying to eat retired death gods. You could use some backup even if it is gangsters
    [X] Call Gard, ask her if she has a sister with a sideline in kidnapping children and trying to eat retired death gods. You could use some backup even if it is gangsters
    [X] Go see Harry along with Father Forthil as he shows the tape to the CPD, if you are going to spring him before Monday it's going to take some fast talking especially since the argument is 'this is weird supernatural stuff you do not want to get mixed into'
    -[X] Text Michael. Tell him you've handed off tape to Forthill. Add heads up, and ask him to get his stuff while you help Forthill.
    -[X] Once you are assembled ask your Crown for the location of the girl.
 
Arc 2 Post 25: Of Wicked Workings
Of Wicked Workings

22st of July 2006 A.D.

"Did something else happen?" Father Forthil asks as he takes the tape. He sounds worried, though to be fair that might be because the radio is changing on its own as the Wagon looks for a decent station. He probably thinks it's malfunctioning because of magic.

"I met someone who's involved in bad things, maybe not framing Harry, but a little girl god kidnapped to get her grandfather to do something. It would be really good if you could get Harry out soon. "

He sighs and shakes his head, a few drops of the errant summer that had just passed rain flying off his shoulders. "Getting a judge to hear a request for bail before Monday is beyond all but perhaps the FBI agents themselves and even for them it would not be easy to arrange. Judges are... ornery about their free time. With the courts being as backed up as they are I can't say I blame them for all I wish they would make an exception in this case I don't think that's likely."

Bob it is then, not that you had expected something else. From what Clippy had been able to find about Cook County Jail it does not seem like the sort of place you walk out of easily, innocent or not.

After rolling past a McDonald Drivethrough to get a Big Mac and a particularly sad looking salad as well as one small burger each for Mouse and Mister to keep them from getting bored with their food if nothing else, you spend the drive to Harry's with one hand on the wheel that mostly moves itself while you text dad:

Found proof Harry was out of town, tape with Father F. It's spooky out there. Pls. get your stuff and meet me outside Harry's apartment

There that should be relatively innocuous even if the NSB people had bugged your phone and you had only shortened the message a little, much as it pains you to spell everything out like you are writing a letter in cursive. The last thing you need is a back and fourth chain of text explaining stuff. If reading through Wright's phone had taught you anything about snooping it's that context is king.

****​

As Mister picks carefully at the meat inside the hamburger Mouse had already eaten his in one bite before leading you through the wards to the lab again. He's obviously happy that you had found something to help exonerate Harry though he's worried as you would expect at the thought of more dark wizards in town and as angry as you are at the thought of a little girl kidnapped. Hopefully Bob can help you unravel the mystery.

The eyes of the skull flare open as soon as Clippy's lantern hits him this time.. "Why hello there. Miss me already?" He tries for a husky voice, but the limitations of form being what they are, it comes out more like dry and clinking.

"Desperately," you deadpan. "Listen I met someone nasty and I bugged their car with a demon, it's not important..."

"Oh sure, sure I see acts of divine authority enacted upon servitor spirits all the time," he mimics your tone, then when you look at his startled he honest to goodness cackles. "The look on your face."

A reluctant smile creeps onto your face. "I would tell you to go into stand up comedy but you can't," you quip back. You wait for the clattering laugh to pass and continue. "They mentioned a person, I think it was: Capricorpus."

The laughter is gone from Bob in and instant, his eye flames dimming down to embers hiding in the deep sockets of the skull. "Oh no, no, no she is supposed to be dead, like for real dead though."

She you quickly learn had earned well the name Capricorpus, a body jumping necromancer and former apprentice of the departed and unregreted Big Bad himself, Kemmler. According to Bob the Corpsetaker had been around for the big showdown on Halloween where she had been able to change bodies with Warden Captain Lucio while mortally wounded and she would have gotten away with it as well it Harry hadn't noticed the chance and shot her. You are a bit vague on what a Warden Captain is, but from Bob's manner you guess it's a big deal,

"Wait a second, if Harry is supposed to have killed her did he fight off her death curse or is he still under it?" you ask, starting to get an inkling on what might have happened.

"Harry said he surprised her..." Bob starts but you cut him off.

"Maybe, or maybe the body-snatcher didn't have as narrow a view of life and death as the rest of us. I mean the only difference between projecting your Hun soul out of your body and being a Hun soul ghost is that one has a astral chord and the other does not, well that and the ghost needs direct spiritual infusion to sustain themselves instead of being sustained by the Po soul bridging the soul-body divide, but that is the difference between running your oil lamp on whale oil or on kerosene, both make light they just smell different."

"You would have to be really bent to think that way as a mortal..." Bob trails off considering the implication. "So you think she didn't use her death curse because she did not think she was dying?"

"And because she had better uses for that power," you nod. "Revenge is nice, but survival is better because you can still have your revenge as a side-dish and still do other things once it's done." That felt like a very Usum sort of thought, but he had not spoken at all, you guess you have just learned to anticipate how the logic of something like the Corpsetaker would work.

"Ankou is probably hunting her, rider of the stolen steeds," Bob offers

"And Katrina is hunting him with the Corpsetaker as bait," you finish. "Trying to eat his power or something with a ritual, she called it the Black Feast..."

"That's... odd," the spirit says slowly and for the first time since you met him it is like he is struggling to remember something which for a spirit of intellect is odd in and off itself. "The Black Feast is a form of metaphagy, soul eating basically though that is not a good translation because souls aren't meat. You do not break them up for energy but co-opt them for knowledge. There has to be a level of mutual understanding and an equilibrium reached between he who consumes and that which is consumed."

Though the lecture you are nodding along, it all makes sense by your understanding of how souls work.

"Just one problem though," Bob continues. "As far as I know the Black Feast was designed in imitation of the way the Black Court feed, drinking more than their blood and it only works on mortals not elder fey."

"How sure are you of that?" you probe.

"I could show you the math for it, Harry never wants to see the math," Bob says, starting to sound a bit more chipper again.

"Maybe later, I'm on the clock right now," you demure. You are pretty sure you know what he means by 'the math' and it would take days or weeks to run though the heuristics and harmonies of ritual magic. Also I probably should not be learning soul eating rituals, you remind yourself. It is surprisingly easy to forget that around Bob. "Cliff notes, why doesn't it work on immortals like the Ankou?"

"Because the main stem of the magic is a shared understanding and shared fear of death, it is the only truly human thing the Black Court keept and since it was inspired from their feeding..."

"You might as well start from scratch and make a new ritual. That is still more than I knew when I came down here." you finish getting up to leave. "Thanks again Bob, you're a lifesaver maybe literally."

"Take care of yourself out there will you," he says and you are about to tell him not to worry when he adds. "It would be a waste in more ways than one if you died." And then he checks you out again.

"Never change Bob," you chuckle at the now silent skull.

Gain 2 Essence

Your dad hadn't arrived by the time you leave the apartment leaving you enough time to call Gard or use your Crown to figure out where Cindy is before he gets here. Meanwhile Katrina had long since left her own car parked.

What do you do next?

[] Call Gard, ask her if she has a sister with a sideline in kidnapping children and trying to eat retired death gods. You could use some backup even if it is gangsters

[] Search for Cindy with the Crown if you can get her out Katrina loses her leverage on Matthews

[] All this talk of old Welsh spirits turned winter's fixers make you think of Lydia and in particular her globetrotting father. This is probably not how Daniel anticipated introducing his girlfriend to dad, but needs must


[] Write in

OOC: Harry will have quite the... er... interesting reaction when he finds out what kind of magic Bob was talking to Molly about.
 
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[X] Call Gard, ask her if she has a sister with a sideline in kidnapping children and trying to eat retired death gods. You could use some backup even if it is gangsters
 
We need to search for Cindy, but that's something we can do in a few minutes, after we talk to Gard. If Gard is going to be able and/or willing to help, time could be of the essence, so even speaking to her five minutes sooner could make the difference between her being able to mobilize any assistance she can gather or being too late because we delayed calling her for too long.

@DragonParadox, did we learn any secrets from Bob that were sufficient to restore some of our spent Essence?

[X] Call Gard, ask her if she has a sister with a sideline in kidnapping children and trying to eat retired death gods. You could use some backup even if it is gangsters
 
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