I mean you would have to ask a Harry question but yes you could find out who he talked to
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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I mean you would have to ask a Harry question but yes you could find out who he talked to
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- Hive City Ares, Armageddon, Segmentum Solar
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[X] Yes, you need to know all the trouble he's in if you are going to help him (Charisma+Empathy, can use excellency) -[X] Molly sighs and kneels to look Mouse in the eyes. "Yeah, I figured. And maybe Harry doesn't want me wrapped up in dangerous stuff. But if that's really true... Harry's used to being alone, but it's a lot easier to get through dangerous stuff together. You know I'm not just a pretty face, and I'm probably one of the best suited to help Harry right now. Who's he looking for?"
1)We cant press Dresden. He's in prison. Only conversations between a prisoner and his lawyer have any legal protections against eavesdropping in the US; every other visitor or phone call is recorded or monitored in real time, and in this case we have reason to believe that multiple actors in this case will try to listen in anyway, even if it is illegal.
I presume Dresden will be a lot more unhappy if we ask him about this in the hearing of the NSB.
2)Im not really seeing it. Molly isnt rifling through Dresden's secrets for fun or curiosity here.
He's in multiple interconnected jams that needs unfucking, and this particular information seems relevant.
Remember that Infernal!Molly has soulgazed Dresden.
She's had a cordial conversation with the shadow of the Fallen inside Dresden's head, the one he was worried would get him killed by Michael or the Knights or the White Council.
He already trusts her with secrets that could destroy him.
Bob is dangerous, but a couple tiers down as a hazard.
3) Part of the reality of investigations is that you sometimes need access to private information.
We see this in our PC's immediate backstory, where Molly's use of black magic and Charity's cult history were both materially significant factors in how Molly ended up on a tree of ice in the middle of Arctis Tor and were both things Dresden needed to know to solve the case and save her life.
Dem's the breaks.
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4) Also, as a matter of personal safety, if there is a Winter Court element in this?
We'd much rather have forewarning as soon as possible before blundering into it in the field, so we remember to carry an iron crowbar as backup.
Dresden would presumably be a lot more unhappy if we ran into a squad of fetches in the field with no forewarning and got shanked.
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5)We could get this information directly from the source. By asking Mab.
Int 4 + Occult 5 means we can probably kludge up a Calling, and Cha 3 + Etiquette 2 suggests we would be able to avoid giving offence. But Dresden would presumably like that even less than our asking Bob about this.
None of our choices are perfect.
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See if we had a demon spy network this would not be so hard.
I doubt you'd be able to employ a spirit willing to spy on Mab.
QUESTIONS
1)Is the news of Greene's death on the evening news and the Internet yet?
News reports should have a report on where his body was located, and possibly in what condition.
There should still be crime scene tape even.
2)Did Wright's phone and email account have any information on the location of the crime scene?
What of the forensic report and crime scene report?
Witness list?
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Because the easy part is figuring out who or what killed Greene and dumped his body.
We just need to go to the crime scene and ask an appropriately framed Crown of Eyes question.
Why is a different matter. As is proving it.
But we can do that on Saturday the 22nd after we're tanked up on Essence.
I was thinking of doing this through Forthill, not ourselves.
As DP pointed out, Molly doesn't know what ashes asking for so this particular case it doesn't apply as much, but I'll stand by it as a general statement about our attitude so far.
I don't think you can draw a conclusion about his trust in Molly from the soul gaze or Lash stuff by the by, because he has no choice but to trust her with them. She learned in a way he didn't anticipate and so couldn't try to avoid.
1)That was my initial objection. If he's worried about secrecy and danger, he is not going to tell Forthill.
Telling Forthill just makes things worse by increasing the threat surface.
2)Furthermore, Forthill has no way to prevent people listening in on him when he's talking to Dresden.
Illegality has never stopped law enforcement breaking the law, especially when they are under pressure in a high profile case or its personal like a copkiller case; its just means they cant use that information in court if your lawyer is on the ball.
3) Yes we can.
There's a reason Dresden used the Soulgaze on Old Man Mathews to determine his trustworthiness and vice versa.
He Soulgazed her. He knows what her word is worth.
It has been reported on but not in great detail yet probably because the agents are still keeping in on the down-low so they can offer Harry an easy way out if he cooperates
He was killed around by those warehouses you had the fight with the Red Court, no witnesses to the murder itself only a recording of the body being dismembered and dumped in the lake.
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So Molly has apparent IC evidence that Wright's people lied when they claimed there were witnesses placing him at the scene of the crime. Noted. We know police do this IRL, but I dont think Molly knew this IC.
Isnt going to improve her faith in law enforcement.
2)The VIDEO has Dresden dismembering him? Out in the open, on view of the security cameras? In daytime?
Was he supposed to have been barehanded or with tools? Is he supposed to have walked away all covered in blood from cutting up an adult male?
3)Those warehouses are a known Way termination point.
Wizards, Red Court assassins, Outsiders have all used it to our knowledge. So its looking increasingly likely that the actual killer came out of the NeverNever.
Why Greene would be there is a whole different matter.
I assume he drove here.
QUESTION
Just occurred to me: When is the murder supposed to have taken place according to the security cameras and Wright's phone?
We have his phone and access to emails and the incident/forensic report, so we should know.
Molly is an alibi from around late morning/midday of the 21st, and we can find video and witnesses to corroborate if we go back to Merominee. But that isnt going to help if the murder was supposed to have happened on the night of the 20th.
This decides whether we need to go to Merominee or not.
It's also probably worth asking who's cameras those were.
If I recall correctly that whole area is decaying, which is part of what makes it a good waypoint for things coming out of dark paths.
Not the kind of place to have a lot of security cameras, or that Dresden likely would mark as a good point if it's hard to get in and out without getting caught on camera.
Maybe it's nothing, but it might be worth checking into what hardware was used and where it came from.
There is video of him in what is supposed to have been an abandoned warehouse which 'just so happened' to have working security cameras, really good ones at that. 'Harry' is then seen putting the pieces in a watertight sack which he then walks out of the warehouse. the remains were found later that day in the water near where the video was taken. Witnesses did come forward saying they saw him come out of that warehouse with the bags.
'The crime' in this context was the dismemberment not the murder, the agents were playing fast and loose with the literal truth as a means of hopefully scaring him. This all happened in the late morning when you were serving as his alibi
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[X] No, if this is an important secret for Harry you won't snoop, you can ask Father Forthil ask him, or better yet get him out of jail and ask in in person
Property records are public knowledge, and depending on the source you check, free.
So Clippy can tell us who owns the warehouses and the cameras around them without us even leaving the house by checking the county tax assessor's website.
Identifying the cameras and when they were purchased is going to require showing up and taking pictures of the cameras though, but once we have them Clippy should run down the camera make and model. Actually knowing when they were bought will require talking to people or a Crown of Eyes use.
And like you said, decaying areas dont have top of the line security camera setups.
I would not be surprised if the cameras are physically incapable of taking footage of that quality.
Like getting 1080P footage out of a 480P camera.
1) So its not a murder charge, its an accessory to murder charge at worst.
That vastly recontextualizes this entire affair, and the stakes.
And the motive as well.
And it makes the owner and the staff of the warehouse of acute interest to Molly and Dresden both; abandoned warehouses dont have top of the line security cameras and the DVRs to record the take.
2)Okay, so we need the records and witnesses from Merominee.
ASAP.
Guess Molly's leaving home at 5 in the morning
3)Warehouse and waterfront dumping location count as separate locations for the purposes of Crown of Eyes, I think.
Greene's actual murder location will count as another.
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Is that digitalized in 2006?
A lot of archival material that is publically accesible in theory is only getting digitalized now and had to be actually looked up in person on paper previously.
Murder specifically murder one is what they are trying to stick him with on the grounds that Greene had conflict with Dresden before and there is no other suspect.
By 2006? Yup.
Its a modern record thats updated every year for the purposes of property taxes, and Chicago is a major city that wants its money.
Historical records will probably require going to the county clerk's office, though I dont know what counts as historical here.
Definitely pre-1950.
Earlier may or may not have been digitized.
Yeah, lol. Stranger things have happened to less fortunate people with shit lawyers.
The super resolution cameras that caught Dresden taking the body parts away but conveniently didnt notice the person who actually put the body parts there in the first place.
I begin to understand some of the apparent police lack of reaction.
It probably doesnt smell right to any local cop with career ambitions or even experience, so they are skirting it carefully so that if/when it blows up, it does so in someone else's face.
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I wonder if we put a demon in the surveillance cameras, if it will recover the video of who actually put the body parts there.
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Nah.
Easier to simply find the place where Greene was murdered and find the perp.
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I'll cover more of this in the next update, I want to make sure that people just reading the updates get all the facts as Molly knows them.
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Sure, no problem.
Its just a great example of why its always good advice when dealing with hostile law enforcement to shut up and lawyer up as an opening move.
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All of this is assuming, of course, that Dresden hasn't already been silenced, one way or another. Perhaps he 'escaped', likely killing a number of cops and civilians in the process (in order to utterly destroy any good reputation he has), or was 'regrettably shot' during an 'escape attempt,' in which case we are one of the only other people who has anything close to the whole picture…
Oh shit. They could very well end up trying to capture our family to hold hostage against us/to draw us in to silence us as well.
Either way, I doubt that they'll let it blow up, probably keeping it hushed up by either threatening/bribing/blackmailing people into silence, or by silencing them permanently.
For the record, I wouldn't put any of this past them.
On another note, though, just how bad can techbane get? Can it affect plastic, gasoline, or electricity? What about paper or glass, or gunpowder or steel?
In other words, just how badly can one get screwed over by techbane? Does it get to the point where one cannot even enter modern society, much less be a part of it?
Oh shit. They could very well end up trying to capture our family to hold hostage against us/to draw us in to silence us as well.
Either way, I doubt that they'll let it blow up, probably keeping it hushed up by either threatening/bribing/blackmailing people into silence, or by silencing them permanently.
For the record, I wouldn't put any of this past them.
On another note, though, just how bad can techbane get? Can it affect plastic, gasoline, or electricity? What about paper or glass, or gunpowder or steel?
In other words, just how badly can one get screwed over by techbane? Does it get to the point where one cannot even enter modern society, much less be a part of it?
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Only affects devices with electrical systems, with electronics being most vulnerable.
No sign it affects materials or chemical processes.