- Location
- washington
also can people do plan names? as I'm sure people will be editing plans a little.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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OctarineShrike
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Description of clippys capabilities from our sheet for peoples planning reference.
His wife being in the FBI means that the local cops would get additional FBI assistance, thats all.
Being married to a federal agent doesnt change who has jurisdiction if you're murdered.
Specifically, he's a detective of the CPD. Police officers are notoriously territorial.
In the event of the alleged murder of a CPD police officer, this place should be swarming with CPD officers and there would be journalists speaking breathlessly into cameras.
If his wife was in the FBI, this entire place would still be swarming with cops; maybe some discreet FBI agents if she's senior enough, but their primary involvement would be logistical.
Molly may not know this, especially if she hasnt been watching the right TV shows or reading the right books.
Dresden does, because professional and bitter personal experience.
This shouldnt be happening.
Molly should still be rolling Int 4 even without Law dice.
Clippy would be my justification to stunt this, as long as it has battery power.
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QUESTION
Can Clippy run a social media check for face photographs and names of the subjects here?
And specifically the FBI websites for agent identities?
Dude just flashed a FBI badge; it is supposed to have name, number and photo.
The biggest question is: should we allow Dresden to leave with these people? Are they legitimate, or will Dresden leaving with them put his life in mortal peril? If they are legitimate (even if the case isn't), then we should immediately call Michael (to spring for a lawyer), use the Crown for exonerating physical evidence (traffic, ATM and other cams), and go back to that small town to get people to testify that they saw Dresden.
If they are not legitimate, we should reveal magic, as in "intimidate them with the glory of Infernal Exalted" or "murder them with nuclear hellfire".
And with that thought I am off to sleep.
If they are not legitimate, we should reveal magic, as in "intimidate them with the glory of Infernal Exalted" or "murder them with nuclear hellfire".
And with that thought I am off to sleep.
- This is 2005 so social media is not that developed but she can look yeah
- She can look up name number and photo sure, but you need to tell her, either by talking to her or typing it in
Yeah it does, murder of a family member is covered same as if a federal agent/official of some variety was murdered.
Looking back at the phone pic, I don't recognize the model but I do see what looks like a front facing camera. I assume that means it had a traditional back camera as well, but we can probably still take pictures of their faces with that we have.
- Location
- washington
I'd also like it included that we start recording them. well clippy does discretely.
It does have a back camera as well, yeah.
- Location
- washington
yeah though the charm means we could have it in our pocket and still record things apparently.
No it doesnt; it might investigate a racial murder as a civil rights violation, but other than that it only has jurisdiction over the murder of federal agents and officials only, and in some circumstances their family members
*checks again*
No, the FBI only applies if they have reason to believe that the homicide is in some way connected to attempts to impede the wife's duties as an FBI agent, or to seek revenge for something she did.
Getting shot by your neighbor over a fence dispute doesnt apply.
Neither does getting killed in the normal course of your job as a police officer.
And anyway, you would want local involvement, because you dont have the manpower to match the locals.
Dresden actually has enough handson knowledge of the FBI to notice this is not procedure.
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any plans uju? I'd like it if we used the crown to get some hard to learn sure fire answers, use clippy for background info and make sure they record all of this, and depending on the answers react.No it doesnt; it might investigate a racial murder as a civil rights violation, but other than that it only has jurisdiction over the murder of federal agents and officials only, and in some circumstances their family members
*checks again*
No, the FBI only applies if they have reason to believe that the homicide is in some way connected to attempts to impede the wife's duties as an FBI agent, or to seek revenge for something she did.
US Code 18.115.B.3
Getting shot by your neighbor over a fence dispute doesnt apply.
Neither does getting killed in the normal course of your job as a police officer.
And anyway, you would want local involvement, because you dont have the manpower to match the locals.
Dresden actually has enough handson knowledge of the FBI to notice this is not procedure.
No it doesnt; it might investigate a racial murder as a civil rights violation, but other than that it only has jurisdiction over the murder of federal agents and officials only, and in some circumstances their family members
*checks again*
No, the FBI only applies if they have reason to believe that the homicide is in some way connected to attempts to impede the wife's duties as an FBI agent, or to seek revenge for something she did.
US Code 18.115.B.3
Getting shot by your neighbor over a fence dispute doesnt apply.
Neither does getting killed in the normal course of your job as a police officer.
And anyway, you would want local involvement, because you dont have the manpower to match the locals.
Dresden actually has enough handson knowledge of the FBI to notice this is not procedure.
It gives them a paper thin excuse though. And that means we can't just shut it down.
- Location
- washington
I want to use our crown to determine whether they are indeed fbi or even if they are fbi if their on the side of nazis or monsters of some kind.
- Location
- florida
[X] Explain that Harry has been with you all day (Charisma+Empathy can use Excellency)
-[X] Ask for arrest warrant.
--[X] Have Clippy call FBI and check their identity.
---[X] Call Murphy
I will point out we have no way to verify if a warrant is real or fake. Though we could always snap a picture of it.
-[X] Ask for arrest warrant.
--[X] Have Clippy call FBI and check their identity.
---[X] Call Murphy
I will point out we have no way to verify if a warrant is real or fake. Though we could always snap a picture of it.
- Location
- washington
I'd like to wait for a more detailed plan honestly.
You know, we could always make this a shot show circus ourselves, and crown these three stooges as the clowns.
If they hesitate even a little around being asked for a physical copy of the warrant, or about the video stuff, we call the police ourselves and say some guys claiming to be federal agents are trying to arrest a friend in front of us, but are acting off in X way.
If they are legitimate agents getting kind controlled or otherwise forced into this then abrupt official attention will turn it back on whoever ordered it.
If it's somehow still legit, which I doubt, then we're no worse off than we were before.
Supposing they're imposters seeing a call go through might even get them to attack us, solving the whole problem for us.
We could roll well enough to absolutely convince them he's innocent, and at this stage in the process they'd still arrest him anyway. The expectation is that the truth will out in court if the prosecutor doesn't drop charges before that from a legal perspective.
Telling them things is pointless at this stage, and potentially feeds them ammunition to use against you. Give statements only through a lawyer.
That's not a rule for guilty people either. Innocent people have gone to jail for crimes that forensics later proved they couldn't have committed because the police bullshitted them into accepting responsibility during interrogation.
If they hesitate even a little around being asked for a physical copy of the warrant, or about the video stuff, we call the police ourselves and say some guys claiming to be federal agents are trying to arrest a friend in front of us, but are acting off in X way.
If they are legitimate agents getting kind controlled or otherwise forced into this then abrupt official attention will turn it back on whoever ordered it.
If it's somehow still legit, which I doubt, then we're no worse off than we were before.
Supposing they're imposters seeing a call go through might even get them to attack us, solving the whole problem for us.
Rule one of cops, never tell them anything you don't have to.
We could roll well enough to absolutely convince them he's innocent, and at this stage in the process they'd still arrest him anyway. The expectation is that the truth will out in court if the prosecutor doesn't drop charges before that from a legal perspective.
Telling them things is pointless at this stage, and potentially feeds them ammunition to use against you. Give statements only through a lawyer.
That's not a rule for guilty people either. Innocent people have gone to jail for crimes that forensics later proved they couldn't have committed because the police bullshitted them into accepting responsibility during interrogation.
- Location
- washington
not to be mean guys can we wait to vote for a more detailed plan? One that might include stuff like using the crown to determine why their here I don't like being so hesitant to use the crown. Also for clippy to start recording we need to vote that for future evidence.
This. This is my immediate consideration. This entire gambit relies on his not being alive to contest the charges.
In Fool Moon when Murphy put him in jail, the loup garou happened. When the FBI arrested him in Changes, that gave the Eebs the opportunity to come after him with vampire assassins when he was unarmed and sitting in a cell
Almost as worth noting is that the perp is deliberately weaponizing mundane society.
This is something that magical society has tacitly avoided thus far.
Even the Kemmlerites.
If these are the collaborators/impostors I think they are instead of just dupes, I suspect just making a show of grabbing their ID numbers, or attempting to make a phone call, might well trigger a reaction.
At the very least we're folliwing them to the FBI building.
What of license plate lookup?
These dudes drove here in a car, and license plates are public records; official FBI vehicles come with govt agency ownership tags.
I know we can do internet lookup now, and I think it was accessible back in 2006, but thats a QM ruling.
[X] Plan Who are you again?
-[X] Take out Molly's cell phone and start recording video, making sure to get a clear shot of their faces.
-[X] Ask for each of them to properly show their badges instead of flashing them, so that you can see they're real and have a lawyer speak to them
-[X] Ask for a physical copy of the arrest warrant
-[X] If at any point they become evasive threaten to call the police right then and there and have them sort it out.
—[X] if they keep evading attempt to call the police and claim some people saying they're feds are trying to arrest a friend of ours, but won't provide <insert whatever they're evasive on here>
-[X] Use excellency on the direct requests, and being convincing over the phone if we need to call the cops
If they attack then we're free to beat the shit out of them, but if they're legit even if the warrant isn't we need other witnesses if we don't want to get burned.
-[X] Take out Molly's cell phone and start recording video, making sure to get a clear shot of their faces.
-[X] Ask for each of them to properly show their badges instead of flashing them, so that you can see they're real and have a lawyer speak to them
-[X] Ask for a physical copy of the arrest warrant
-[X] If at any point they become evasive threaten to call the police right then and there and have them sort it out.
—[X] if they keep evading attempt to call the police and claim some people saying they're feds are trying to arrest a friend of ours, but won't provide <insert whatever they're evasive on here>
-[X] Use excellency on the direct requests, and being convincing over the phone if we need to call the cops
If they attack then we're free to beat the shit out of them, but if they're legit even if the warrant isn't we need other witnesses if we don't want to get burned.
https://www.fbi.gov/about/faqs/where-is-the-fbis-authority-written-down
"The FBI has special investigative jurisdiction to investigate violations of state law in limited circumstances, specifically felony killings of state law enforcement officers (28 U.S.C. § 540)"
If they've actually fabricated all the evidence to get to this point, fabricating some sort of link with his wife is not going to be an issue on top of it. If all this is is some goon, the possibility of being the former is enough that it works.*checks again*
No, the FBI only applies if they have reason to believe that the homicide is in some way connected to attempts to impede the wife's duties as an FBI agent, or to seek revenge for something she did.
US Code 18.115.B.3
Getting shot by your neighbor over a fence dispute doesnt apply.
Neither does getting killed in the normal course of your job as a police officer.
And anyway, you would want local involvement, because you dont have the manpower to match the locals.
Dresden actually has enough handson knowledge of the FBI to notice this is not procedure.
If the cops can't find you then this sort of thing might be viable. If they're already arresting you then slipping off is its own slew of crimes they will go after you for.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
I was in the middle of writing up a plan, but this is pretty close to what I was aiming for, so...
[X] Bronzetongue
We could probably work a Crown question into the plan, too. It would be better to do it now, when the information we learn could influence our decisions on how we react to the men, rather than afterward, when ours and Harry's options will be much more limited. Things are going to be much more complicated if we let them take Harry out of his apartment in handcuffs.