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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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uju32 said:
Look, from my PoV its fairly simple. When the police go to arrest a suspected murderer, they roll deep.
When they go after an alleged copkiller, its like someone broke out a beehive.

Here, the alleged FBI are showing up with 3 dudes and knocking on the door for a case where they claim they have Dresden on camera and his fingerprints as well(we'll get back to prints, and how they got them from a dead body that got dumped in a lake, in less than a couple hours, given how long it takes forensics)

All feds. No locals. No backup.
Its so patently ridiculous that Im halfway convinced that if we had access to any police database and scanned for the faces of these fellows, they'd have criminal records.

Getting Clippy to search for their faces on Facebook/Myspace/social media and the like might be worth doing.

They said they had video.
That immediately limits where it could have allegedly happened, since there arent that many places with electronically recorded video in 2006. And there are no federal lands in and around Chicago for FBI jurisdiction to apply.

And the dead give away here: three men.
Look at any police response to an alleged cop killer in the US; they're literally swarming all over the place, like a gang.
And the FBI would not attempt to arrest a copkiller without more people or more local backup.

Also worth noting that Dresden remembers the FBI hexenwulfen.
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given while all your saying adds up and 100% should mean their fake in some way this could just be sorry to say to dp slightly badly thought out? Not like he has to take in modern politics or tech in his other quests until now.
 
If this was the FBI and they really thought they were 'arresting' the killer of a cop who was an FBI agent's husband, then the first we knew about it would be when the door was knocked down by a ram and flash bangs were thrown in, rapidly followed by them shooting anything moving.

Lucky for them they didn't, as Molly would have then killed them all.
 
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uju32 said:
Look, from my PoV its fairly simple. When the police go to arrest a suspected murderer, they roll deep.
When they go after an alleged copkiller, its like someone broke out a beehive.

Here, the alleged FBI are showing up with 3 dudes and knocking on the door for a case where they claim they have Dresden on camera and his fingerprints as well(we'll get back to prints, and how they got them from a dead body that got dumped in a lake, in less than a couple hours, given how long it takes forensics)

All feds. No locals. No backup.
Its so patently ridiculous that Im halfway convinced that if we had access to any police database and scanned for the faces of these fellows, they'd have criminal records.

Getting Clippy to search for their faces on Facebook/Myspace/social media and the like might be worth doing.

They said they had video.
That immediately limits where it could have allegedly happened, since there arent that many places with electronically recorded video in 2006. And there are no federal lands in and around Chicago for FBI jurisdiction to apply.

And the dead give away here: three men.
Look at any police response to an alleged cop killer in the US; they're literally swarming all over the place, like a gang.
And the FBI would not attempt to arrest a copkiller without more people or more local backup.

Also worth noting that Dresden remembers the FBI hexenwulfen.
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Something odd is certainly going on, I cannot really say more because Molly has no dots in Law so I cannot even rolls this stuff IC.
 
I think the most important thing we can find out from the crown right now is how legit this is and these guys are.

If they are just Nazis in costumes letting them take him is unbelievably foolish.

If they are actual FBI agents slicing them up like Thanksgiving turkey is unbelievably foolish as well.
 
zxzx24 said:
I think the most important thing we can find out from the crown right now is how legit this is and these guys are.

If they are just Nazis in costumes letting them take him is unbelievably foolish.

If they are actual FBI agents slicing them up like Thanksgiving turkey is unbelievably foolish as well.
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also from dresdens perspective while he should know this he also can't cause a scene and fight them publicly most likely cause it'd look like a guy fighting fbi in a place where he can be noticed. Though its not the worst place to start a fight.

I want to use the crown to check these guys and or the case in some capacity, I want clippy to check these guys up right now online and to check this so called evidence, and I want to possibly call them out based on what we know.
 
There should be a simple test. Pull out Molly's phone and tell them we're recording and want badge numbers to verify their identities. For something like this they have to provide that information since it's not an emergency.

Their response would give us some more information on how legitimate they are and how aware they are of the supernatural.

No heavy magic is being thrown around, so even if they are magically aware any imposter would have to give serious thought to the idea that they could end up on film impersonating a federal agent to kidnap someone.
 
Actually; just get clippy to record everything is a first step.

The second is to ask for their warrant, which they need to come into someone home and arrest them.
 
Would calling Murphy or Forthill make sense?

Murphy is still a cop and Forthill is a lawyer.


Can Molly's phone even record? Idk how good those old Motorola's are.
 
Dresden could propably dissapear easily, thus getting time to resolve this. This arrest is unlikely to work unless he plays along.

The important part to note is, if this is any kind of trick then they will have planned the second half of the trick.

Nobody acting against someone like Dresden would be stupid enough to just rely on faked evidence to get him convicted of anything, even if this is a real manipulated FBI arrest.
We have to assume that once he is arrested he will be brought in a situation were he either dies or is forced to kill some legit cops/agents, or something similar.

We have to regain the initiative, we can not go along with this fiction for even a moment, or else there is a high chance that things will get massivly worse for Harry (as they usually tend to do).
 
This is 2006 not 2022. Social media hasn't taken off quite as hard just yet.

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@Artemis1992 So what your saying is we need to set the apartment on fire 🤔
 
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I honestly believe this should be approached from multiple angles guys and we shouldn't do just one thing. I think crown should be used, I think clippy should be used, I think asking for warrants and identity should be used.
 
Lost Star said:
[X] Excuse you?! Why are there three FBI agents here for a murder arrest? Where's the warrant and the police? Despite what cop dramas say, they can't just cowboy it up here, especially when he's not in the process of a crime!
-[X] Call Murphy ASAP too.
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Do we actually say that first part (or a variation on that) to their faces? Would be funny, if nothing else.
 
this could also be corrupt fbi agents and or moles of some group who obviously can't go after dresden guns blazing cause they know dresden can hit back. So they only sent a couple agents cause they don't have the amount of moles needed.
 
Okay, to start off, we need an excellency here. Charisma + Empathy with excellency gives us 12 dice to convince these people there might be reasonable doubt if they're legit, and Perception + Empathy with excellency gives us 10 dice to figure out if these guys are on the up-and-up or if there's something fishy going on. Stunts are even better.

Not sure what exactly step 2 is, but activating an excellency should definitely be part of step 1.

Oh, right, kidnapping someone while impersonating a federal officer on film is a great way to call their bluff if these guys aren't legit, and it would also give us video of their faces to ask questions about them later with the crown no matter what happens. That's a good move. And if they attack us first, we have video evidence of that, too!
 
Another thought. These guys might have mobile phones themselves. We can put some cyber demons in them.

Edit: also get Clippy to go on the web and tell us what the law is. There were/are some resources that lay the rules out in simple terms.
 
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bengalqueen said:
Okay, to start off, we need an excellency here. Charisma + Empathy with excellency gives us 12 dice to convince these people there might be reasonable doubt if they're legit, and Perception + Empathy with excellency gives us 10 dice to figure out if these guys are on the up-and-up or if there's something fishy going on. Stunts are even better.

Not sure what exactly step 2 is, but activating an excellency should definitely be part of step 1.

Oh, right, kidnapping someone while impersonating a federal officer on film is a great way to call their bluff if these guys aren't legit, and it would also give us video of their faces to ask questions about them later with the crown no matter what happens. That's a good move. And if they attack us first, we have video evidence of that, too!
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if our phone does video which dp hasn't answered yet.
 
For all we know these guys are legit and have been mind controlled or any of another dozen scenarios, delay and information gathering should be our first move, especially as Molly isn't aware of how the law could apply here.
 
Trying to use OOC knowledge about law enforcement strikes me as a bad idea when the character we are controlling has 0 dots in it.
 
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