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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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BronzeTongue said:
Fair enough. Honestly I think anonymity through propriety is better for dealing with large groups of tech dependent mortals in most conditions anyway.

As long as we can get the dice pool reasonably large we can make most mooks ignore us.

I doubt it's easy for most groups to field a substantially sized force entirely made up of willpower 5+ people, so good number of most mortal attackers probably won't even be able to roll to respond. The ones who can seem unlikely to be much past 5 unless they're heroic or supernatural.

I bet we could sword fight one of those neo nazi sorcerers in the middle of their own goon squad without interference on a decent roll. Then incapacitate or kill them one at a time after the leaders are neutralized.
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Regular goverment-agents in V20 and M20 both have 6 WP.
So while regular rent-a-mook guys would ignore us, there are definitly ways to get consistently mentally strong people together.

Monoc security propably rents those kind of elite-mooks?
 
uju32 said:
Depends.
A goon squad with spirits of rage/bane-equivalent riders might be able to roll hard enough to shake it off.
Or dude might cast something on them. Or just give them all Three Eye.
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Rage spirit resist might be a thing, but I don't think three eye would help.

The charm keys off target willpower, people can see her they just aren't allowed to pay attention to what she does unless she directly acts against them or she does something they'd find very upsetting. Even then they need 5+ permanent willpower, to make a difficulty 7 roll, and spend a temporary willpower point to acknowledge she exists and is doing something.

A sensory boost, even one that give perfect memory, doesn't help if you can't find the will to focus on what's in front of you.

I'd think the kind of people who get into neonazi cults are probably pretty weak willed in the first place in average, and that rage spirits don't help with self control, so I'd give us good odds in that specific scenario.
 
Keep in mind intimacies are a thing and they help with willpower rolls. A member of the Denarian's little cult for instance would have the intimacy of 'I must serve the masters' for instance which would give them 2-3 more dice depending on how badly the master in question needs them.
 
I figured that as long as we are fighting alongside anyone else catching as many bullets as possible with our face would be ideal.

We are so much tougher.
 
firefrog600 said:
we'll never spend exp on it for our non shintai form right? cause I'd hate for people to argue for basically purchasing again if it doesn't stack. We'd put exp elsewhere right?
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I dont make decisions for the entire voter base, just myself.
I can only say I think its unlikely.
But I dont speak for everyone.
BronzeTongue said:
Rage spirit resist might be a thing, but I don't think three eye would help.

The charm keys off target willpower, people can see her they just aren't allowed to pay attention to what she does unless she directly acts against them or she does something they'd find very upsetting. Even then they need 5+ permanent willpower, to make a difficulty 7 roll, and spend a temporary willpower point to acknowledge she exists and is doing something.

A sensory boost, even one that give perfect memory, doesn't help if you can't find the will to focus on what's in front of you.

I'd think the kind of people who get into neonazi cults are probably pretty weak willed in the first place in average, and that rage spirits don't help with self control, so I'd give us good odds in that specific scenario.
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I wouldnt say that. I think they have beliefs that make them vulnerable to some types of exploitation, but thats not ecessarily the same thing as weak willed. I mean, people can be susceptible to toxic ideologies and stilll be situationally strongwilled and ideologically committed. See ISIS.

Plus like the QM said, Intimacies can result in bonus dice to those sorts of rules.
Whether it's "I aint no punk" or beliefs to that effect.
 
zxzx24 said:
I figured that as long as we are fighting alongside anyone else catching as many bullets as possible with our face would be ideal.

We are so much tougher.
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That's true, but it also depends on how free we are to act and what we do with it.

We're better at soaking damage than our mortal friends are, but if we can speed blitz some guys who don't even know we are there we can stop them from shooting too much in the first place.

Killing then one at a time while they flail into confused panic is probably off the table given what DP and artemis1992 have said, but it's still valuable in terms of positioning.

It also might be helpful for tanking in a different way. Assuming for the moment that blocking shots isn't considered upsetting the same way reading a diary or killing a spouse is we could parry bullets and leave them highly confused about how the hell its happening.
 
Hoping vote ends soon ujus seems to be winning by well a margin I wouldn't say its a good margin it is in fact a margin though!
 
[X] The Glorious Apocalypse Princess

Changing again b/c I like the themes better, soak is good, and saving multiaction for BRR later seems like a solid plan.
 
I don't have any problem with the 'The Carpenter In Iron And Brass' mechanically, but much prefer 'Glorious Apocalypse Princess' thematically and visually. I like the idea of actual armor, and I like that the appearance isn't tied so strongly to Arctic Tor.

The whole 'shackles still on her' thing, even if they are broken, is just kinda sad.

You might as well stab Harry and her parents in the gut every time they see her like that. Not in a 'scary' way, in a 'we failed her' way.
 
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offhand funny idea that will probably occur in character when we get a soul kingdom will molly at all teach them about Christianity? :p
 
zxzx24 said:
[X]Plan The Carpenter In Iron and Brass.
[X] The Glorious Apocalypse Princess
[X] The Light that shines at the World's End

After much deliberaion. I decided to vote after all.

Why telekinesis instead of extra arms @uju32 I know it's probably more optimal or something, but i have to know.
The weight is crushing me.
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Partly cinematic style, because I think TK makes for better visuals and stunt fodder than an extra arm or two; Force choke looks much better when you arent actually holding the dude, for example.
Partly because its probably an easier social sell.

And partly because any sufficiently strong dude with a melee weapon can chop your extra arm(s) off.
A lot harder to mess with your telekinesis.
Not impossible, but harder.
 
Current Tally is tied
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Aug 14, 2022 at 5:01 PM, finished with 301 posts and 43 votes.
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uju32 said:
Partly cinematic style, because I think TK makes for better visuals and stunt fodder than an extra arm or two; Force choke looks much better when you arent actually holding the dude, for example.
Partly because its probably an easier social sell.

And partly because any sufficiently strong dude with a melee weapon can chop your extra arm(s) off.
A lot harder to mess with your telekinesis.
Not impossible, but harder.
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Their are no downside to either option.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
Their are no downside to either option.
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ujus does sort of prevent us from eventually getting a power in base form once we reach essence 3 its a while away though and they make a good point especially since there are so many things we can spend exp on it'll never be a worry really. Still like apocalypse princess better though.

Edit: actually how much exp for essence 3,4, and 5?
 
drake_azathoth said:
I don't have any problem with the 'The Carpenter In Iron And Brass' mechanically, but much prefer 'Glorious Apocalypse Princess' thematically and visually. I like the idea of actual armor, and I like that the appearance isn't tied so strongly to Arctic Tor.

The whole 'shackles still on her' thing, even if they are broken, is just kinda sad.

You might as well stab Harry and her parents in the gut every time they see her like that. Not in a 'scary' way, in a 'we failed her' way.
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Very much the same. I don't know enough about the specifics of this system to comment on mechanics/build, but personally I like the asthetics of Glorious Apocalypse Princess the most.
 
We're starting to close in on votes matching the max number of viewers this thread sees. Might need someone to flip a vote to resolve it.

Or just hope for a lurker to chime in I suppose.

Anyone from one of the smaller plans want to break the tie?
 
drake_azathoth said:
I don't have any problem with the 'The Carpenter In Iron And Brass' mechanically, but much prefer 'Glorious Apocalypse Princess' thematically and visually. I like the idea of actual armor, and I like that the appearance isn't tied so strongly to Arctic Tor.

The whole 'shackles still on her' thing, even if they are broken, is just kinda sad.
You might as well stab Harry and her parents in the gut every time they see her like that. Not in a 'scary' way, in a 'we failed her' way.
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Im not sure how this follows.

Being the deadliest thing in five hundred miles, and deliberately using mementos of her imprisonment as a symbol of her triumphing over something that few others have, and its supposed to be a thing of distress?
Thats like mourning that a kid has the bear that attacked them as a rug on their bedroom floor.

By that reasoning, literally every time Molly uses her power its a gut stab to the adults in her life that let her be kidnapped.

As for thematics....🤷
Thats really a matter of personal taste.
But the setting is an urban fantasy setting, so I want to play an urban fantasy, with urban fantasy thematics.
 
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uju32 said:
Thats like saying that if we bought a gun, it would be automatically immune to techbane without a spirit inside it.
This is a narrative game, and not everything will be mechanically statted out ahead of time.
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??? We had a fight about this just 24 hours ago with you on the side that unless explicitly stated in the text charms have no downsides, and can't be exploited against you.
 
Blueshift said:
Very much the same. I don't know enough about the specifics of this system to comment on mechanics/build, but personally I like the asthetics of Glorious Apocalypse Princess the most.
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I prefer the aesthetics of Glorious Apocalypse Princess, but the Telekinesis from The Carpenter In Iron and Brass is winning my vote.
 
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