Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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True, but a lot of modern war fighting equipment is already operating on the assumption that you're playing rocket tag. Sometimes very literally. Shooting missiles from miles away would help deal with normal combat tier evocations.
Fey in particular have that whole iron problem. You can kill a mantle bearing fey lady with box cutters, exploiting that deliberately at an industrial scale could make things highly unpleasant for even decently powerful fey like upper level goblins.
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I think this is called being a Malkavian.heh, one of the reasons why Dreamspeakers are considered so weird. They awaken and talk to items all the time.
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in fairness at minimum there is a powerful powerful dying curse around their body and loot.
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Hey, I didn't even notice this on the first look through the rulebooks:
That sure sounds useful, Molly has Willpower to spare after all.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Huh. I did not know that. Really makes By Agony Empowered, even more useless. That charm was ported in badly.
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thats gonna be useful if the qm lets us use it as its basically shonen power. You think dresden has the equivalent? Cause honestly he deals with not quite crippling injuries all the time throughout the books. Basically every single book hes dealing with broken bones, burnt skin, piercing wounds, etc etc, and just keeps going anyways until he finally collapses at the end.
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That is not an Exalted feature, just a thing any character can do.
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and this is a quest where the qm can pick and choose mechanics.
Modern equipment is not designed to deal with hostiles that can teleport into your rear area at will and disable most of your tech. Just the fetches alone....How do you deal with opposition that can emerge from reflective surfaces when you have screens and windows everywhere?
If you go back and read the Splattercon attacks again, you'll notice that the fae incursion there shut down all the power in the building as an opening move.That police electric torches and phone screens werent illuminating properly. That there was a murk effect fucking everyone's vision until Dresden pulled out his magic light, and that the fetches were able to magically isolate parts of the building from each other in order to slaughter victims at leisure.
And there were less than ten fetches involved in that entire affair. A proper horde, dropped into an army base with actual military order? It would be a catastrophe.
For both sides, because as I understand it the Fae and Humanity are codependent, and that sort of warfare wont go well.
Spending a WP negates your wound penalty.
By Agony Empowered turns your wound penalty dice into wound bonus dice.
For example, Infernal John is Dex 5, Melee 5 for a dice pool of 10.
He is currently Incapacitated(-5 penalty), which would make his effective dice pool 10-5 = 5.
Assuming he could move that is. Because Incap.
If you spend 1 WP, it neutralizes the wound penalty for a turn, so his dice pool is (10-5) + 5 = 10 dice.
If you spend 1 Essence on activating the secondary effect of By Agony Empowered instead, his dice pool is (10+5)= 15 dice.
Its a mini-Excellency effect, thats tacked on to the main <Dont Die unless your enemies can deal Agg> effect.
BAE is an excellent charm.
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Yzarc
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Not worth 5 Dots is my Argument. I could go into detail why this is so and have before.
Not really inclined to argue right now, either.
But my impression is that BAE is non-flashy but solid.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
It does not work as intended due to porting reasons related to overflow of Agg damage which was not a thing in Exalted but is in WoD. It is why it is vastly overpriced at 5 Dots as it does not work due to mechanics already doing what the charm does, with the exception of the wound penalty, which lasts only one turn any way.
Compared to charms of other splats that are 3 Dots and do much more, the charm is badly ported.
Compared to charms of other splats that are 3 Dots and do much more, the charm is badly ported.
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I disagree.
Enemies using lethal damage have to fill up our entire health-track again to put us down.
Doubling our effective health is not trivial, particularly since soak-rolls are not affected by wounds, so it's pretty hard to deal all that damage again.
And meanwhile we can fight on, either by spending willpower or Essence with this charm.
It would really suck to be a Wild Hunt hitsquad that finds out that Molly doesn't about being full of arrows and spears, she will still kill you all before taking a breather.
Edit: And the "effectively doubling our health against lethal" multiplies with other health- increasing effects, like The City Still Stands, our Shintai-healthtrack or Oxen Body.
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By Agony Empowered is actively anti-synergistic with in part with By Pain, which is annoying.
It turns the maluses into bonuses...but since By Pain reduced the malus permanently, it gives less of a bonus than without the other Charm.
And I agree with it not being worth 5 dot, no way.
Its also doubling only if something doesn't deal aggravated damage, so its much more situational than others like City Still Stands or Shintai tracks.
It turns the maluses into bonuses...but since By Pain reduced the malus permanently, it gives less of a bonus than without the other Charm.
And I agree with it not being worth 5 dot, no way.
Its also doubling only if something doesn't deal aggravated damage, so its much more situational than others like City Still Stands or Shintai tracks.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
I will Clarify that my Argument is that it is NOT worth 5 Dots. So with that in Mind....
The First part, I have underlines, is a feature of Exalted where Lethal Damage does not overflow. Meaning once you are Incapacitated, you fall unconscious and are either killed or captured.
In WoD, Lethal Damage overflows into Agg damage. Naturally. So that entire mechanic, which is a core feature of the charm, becomes redundant.
The Second part, we can only remain active IF we pass a willpower roll at 8 at a -4 dice penalty. By Pain Reforged and By Agony Empowered both stop the effects of Bashing and Lethal damage in the final health level. But where By Pain Reforged is automatic, AND reduces wounds by -1, Agony by comparison, requires you to pass a DC 8 Will roll at a -4 penalty. If you fail, the charm essentially fails as you are knocked out in a fight close to something that put you down in the first place and it allows you to spend 1 essence to get a max of +4 dice for one turn (Since Pain reforged reduces -5 penalty to -4).
So the "Double your health level" is very much conditional on a dice throw. Literally. The only advantage of Agony over pain reforged is that it works on Lethal Dice and gives us the "chance" of being able to continue fighting. If it did not have the Roll DC 8 Will then yeah, 4 Dots would be ok but the charm, well, is meh. Especially since it still compares very badly to 3 Dot charms from other splats.
Now we come to the penalty and Bonus +4 part.
With regards to Penalty negotiator, lets compare the charm to other similar charms.
Here are a few penalty negotiators and the Dragonblooded have a scene long penalty negator. So in terms of negating penalty, it is worthless.
Now lets look at the +4 Dice bonus it gives.
Both of the examples are scene long or Essence +1. By comparison, ours lasts only one round. So here too it is flat out inferior to a 2 Dot Charm and a 1 Dot Charm.
That is why I said, the charm is not worth more then 3 Dots max. It does not work as intended and is poorly ported and vastly over priced for what it does.
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while good to know and it definitely has its uses most here probably agree its best to spend exp on different things in the future. Not that we'll ever really run out of uses for exp it'd be nice to go for other things and put said ability far far far out into a theoretical future. We could be handed like 130 exp right now or something absurd and we wouldn't have enough for everything we want. So its probably safe to assume we'll go for many things more useful in the future and with less caveats.
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was it a big thing of some kind?
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Kind of. There was already a whole discussion with DP about its cost and how ot works etc, etc, etc
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If we believe RPG, Sirothrax was performing very important role in Los Angeles. He was using energy from vice and sacrifices to keep even greater evil contained under the city. So, basically city is in covert supernatural war and the best hope is someone wins, takes on Dragon's mantle and resumes sacrifices before the thing gets out and glasses half the US.
EDIT: Also, aggravated is a thing in Exalted. Just very rare.
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fairly sure mantling a dragon isn't a thing creating a mantle is probably possible though. Being honest if someone used the darkhallow successfully they probably wouldn't be considered mortal by the rules anymore and while immortal will probably be bound to many new rules. Word of jim whatever the fae queens and mothers did was something similar to the darkhallow. Who knows maybe they ate something just like how most wanted to eat a bunch of human souls, creatures, and the erlking in what was it literally the last book chronologically here?
odin or vadderung or however you spell their name is allowed to be more overt by sacrificing much of his power and actually going I accept I can die like this and choosing to accept that. Mantles are vague from our perspective though we know upcoming books some will at least have a gods plot and some a dragon plot before the apocalypse trilogy. We don't even know dragons have mantles just vague rules some of which can include things like causing another ice age or separating parts of a continent via creating new rivers or something.
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I think wound penalties might be a generally bad idea for high fantasy games like Exalted, because this is not the only system where I've seen people convert them into wound bonuses with the appropriate magic.
This creates 1) a dubious fluff issue of character builds that want to walk around wounded, 2) a dubious mechanics issue of untyped bonuses and questions about stacking and dicecap, 3) a mess when resolving interaction with vicious magical attacks that have effects along the lines of "Damage from this attack is extra painful, treat the wound penalty as one step worse".
This creates 1) a dubious fluff issue of character builds that want to walk around wounded, 2) a dubious mechanics issue of untyped bonuses and questions about stacking and dicecap, 3) a mess when resolving interaction with vicious magical attacks that have effects along the lines of "Damage from this attack is extra painful, treat the wound penalty as one step worse".
Are you sure about this? Can I get a page citation? Because Im staring at a copy of V20 right here. Page 284-285.
As I understand it, Bashing
But Agg requires that you use weapons that deal Agg to that creature type; for vampires thats fire, sunlight and magic, for werewolves its silver and magic.
Damage doesnt just morph overflow into Agg once you get a victim down into Incap.
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IIRC, Exalted has Bashing overflow into Lethal naturally.
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