Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

No it's not there's other shit that's gonna end it she didn't even end it in canon okay maybe large parts of Chicago not the masquerade as a whole though

Edit: heck ending it wasn't even a plan of hers humans were almost a non factor for her she wanted to harden up the supernatural for some reason.
But it was the fighting with her idiots that took things past the point of no return.

Maybe the masquerade can't be held forever, but if it's getting broken I'd prefer it come from a character that doesn't read like a villain from a particularly shitty fan fic.
 
Its pretty clearly spelled out that Ethniu is a blunt instrument for whoever is really running the show, probably the black council and nemesis.

And i would be careful around her, because idiot or not, shes a serious powerhouse, with an artifact thats perfect defense or bust.
 
But it was the fighting with her idiots that took things past the point of no return.

Maybe the masquerade can't be held forever, but if it's getting broken I'd prefer it come from a character that doesn't read like a villain from a particularly shitty fan fic.
It's not even her heck she's not even broken the masquerade yet in canon just for most of Chicago still lots of cover ups going and others ignoring stuff. Terrorism can still hide what happened in Chicago apparently since its not like any of it was filmed and there are those in the government in the know who will hush the shit up.

Like they arent really the deciding factor its probably more the literal apocalypse the last three books are supposed to be.

Edit: after battleground Harry gets in lawyer trouble or something masquerades still present even in large parts of Chicago after it.
 
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I am just saying that's how it is in 2e. As to whether you use it like that is up to you.
I do think 1 dice specialty is...very weak, so if you don't want to use 3 dice specialty for some reason, maybe something else?
Difficulty reduction maybe? Though I am unsure.
Not really weak.
1 die is 20% of a 5 dot Ability scale, much cheaper to buy than an Ability or Attribute dot, and a specialty can be pretty broad.

Specialties are a boost for mortals to professional levels. Most mortals have only 2 ablity dots, and then pick up specialties to boost them in a particular area. So an experienced mortal tends to have 2-3 stats dots, and 2 ablity dots + their specialties total average 6-8 dice pool. This raises their average to levels where it is possible to regularly make to 2 successes. Remember mortals taking more dots both takes a ton of time, and costs a ton of xp. It not worth for a mortal to buy the full 5 dots.
Mortals, at least in the Ex2 system, benefit from equipment and teamwork bonuses.
Your surgeon has an entire suite of equipment giving either additional dice or autosuccesses depending on equipment, in addition to nurses and other assistants throwing their own dice into the pool.

Thats where it begins to add up.


-Interesting external commentary of Molly's cinematic style of combat and how it worked out in practice.
I have to admit I initially expected them to practice on the back lawn of their home. Charity(and her siblings) actually seeing Molly fight would go some way to reassuring them of her personal safety when she goes out.

Guess that will have to wait for when she learns to fly which should serve as assurance that she can always run away.

-Just occurred to me that the Shadow Clone charm would probably reassure and alarm Charity in equal measure.

With Splintered Gale giving conditional reincarnation, you could leave a clone at home as a guarantee against dying abruptly.
At E2 and with Keys to the Kingdom, you could clone 2 of them, leave 1 in Molly's personal Hell as personality backup and have the other go to school when you have to handle supernatural bullshit.


Not quite, it opens like you would a deck of cards into a hand only it keeps going. Each card is not square, but the arc of a circle that completes when it is done. .
So basically Percy Jackson's shield watch thing.
Or one of Kratos' shields

View: https://youtu.be/9T1w7SRnEzc

I'm a bit worried that head-on means mechanically we attack without parrying, which is I think suboptimal here.
Shouldnt really matter. Our opponent is our father in a practice ring.
Possibly the safest opponent for Molly to fight.

So, a bit of long-term thinking. Should Molly attend university, and, if so, which one?

I would argue that yes, she should aim for a prestigious university. There are several reasons to do so. Yes, Molly can buy knowledge via XP. However, we could also learn like normal people do. Prestigious universities are also a way to network with future best and brightest of humanity. It should be a good place to recruit minions, if nothing else. And mundane world is no less important than magical one (hence the masquerade).

Which university to go to would depend on Molly's access to Ways (and other methods of fast transportation), as well as what she is aiming for. From "future ruler of her domain" politics, economics or something like that might be best. The alternative route could be to get an engineering degree (we could make something and use it as a project to win a free admission in some competition). We could model Molly's public persona as a sort of Tony Stark, really. That's a viable route with her charms, and a way to get money legitimately and productively.
Yes, of course.
University of Chicago is a Top 10 university and has its main campus right there in Chicago. I cannot think of a reason why Molly would not take advantage of the school, its connections and its resources. Including its library and its faculty.

And its not like she has to be a fulltime student, or that tuition fees are going to be an issue.

Just take as many or as few courses as she feels she can handle per semester, and defer when necessary. Doesnt matter if it takes her half a decade to graduate with a bachelors; she's in it for the knowledge and connections, not to qualify her to make a living.
As long as she's not doing something with a practical load, like medicine or engineering, she can handle the course work.

Even practical classes are doable as soon as she buys Splintered Gale Incarnation for 20XP and spawns a clone to got to class. Sync up memories every few days.

Frankly she'd benefit from a major in something like political science or international relations.
Something that translates to insight into the political dynamics of nations, which would translate to insight in understanding and predicting the dynamics of supernatural factions and how they impact realworld nations.


That whole plot is orchestrated by a goddess with the emotional and strategic depth of a kiddie pool. If we can't kill her dead and make a fancy hat out of her corpse by the time she's relevant we should hang up the exaltation and go home.
No, by all indications Ethniu was a patsy as well to Nemesis/the Black Council.
Not to mention that you should expect the world will react to our presence as well, especially after we get done shanking the Red Court. You cannot assume the Fomor will be as dumbshit or as arrogant as they were in canon.

A lot of their acting up came from the perceived weakness of the rest of the supernatural world after the end of the Vampire War.
Their encroachment on Chicago and much of the coastal US was in part because Dresden was believed dead, and when he came back Mab spent much of her time nursing him back to health, ignoring the rest of the world.

And in the meantime Nemesis had tainted Maeve the Winter Lady, weakening Winter.

If they thought the Winter Knight, the dude who had murdered genocided the Red Court in their place of power, was alive and active, most of the post-Changes events leading up to Peace Talks and Battlegrounds would not have happened.
If that perceived weakness does not exist, they will be significantly more circumspect.

If there is a Demon Empress-in-waiting with a godslaying sword and ancient Sorcery in Chicago doing the next best thing to a Superman impression, your Titan and the people pulling her strings are likely to pursue other strategies than YOLOing into the city in a headon assault after dropping a challenge to every signatory of the Accords.

Because thats a quick way, not to imprisonment, but to Final Death and getting rendered down for magical reagents without achieving anything.
 
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[X] Head on
-[X] This is the time to, unironically put your trust in god. Right now you're training as safe as you can get with live blades, and this sword you face is a manifestation of god's will. Don't go all out, but let your soul shine as you fight and perhaps against this blade and this person you'll learn something important. That's ultimately what you're about isn't it?


Not really happy with the stunt, but too lazy for a rewrite.
 
[X] Head on
-[X] This is the time to, unironically put your trust in god. Right now you're training as safe as you can get with live blades, and this sword you face is a manifestation of god's will. Don't go all out, but let your soul shine as you fight and perhaps against this blade and this person you'll learn something important. That's ultimately what you're about isn't it?
 
Not really weak.
1 die is 20% of a 5 dot Ability scale, much cheaper to buy than an Ability or Attribute dot, and a specialty can be pretty broad.


Mortals, at least in the Ex2 system, benefit from equipment and teamwork bonuses.
Your surgeon has an entire suite of equipment giving either additional dice or autosuccesses depending on equipment, in addition to nurses and other assistants throwing their own dice into the pool.

Thats where it begins to add up.



-Interesting external commentary of Molly's cinematic style of combat and how it worked out in practice.
I have to admit I initially expected them to practice on the back lawn of their home. Charity(and her siblings) actually seeing Molly fight would go some way to reassuring them of her personal safety when she goes out.

Guess that will have to wait for when she learns to fly which should serve as assurance that she can always run away.

-Just occurred to me that the Shadow Clone charm would probably reassure and alarm Charity in equal measure.

With Splintered Gale giving conditional reincarnation, you could leave a clone at home as a guarantee against dying abruptly.
At E2 and with Keys to the Kingdom, you could clone 2 of them, leave 1 in Molly's personal Hell as personality backup and have the other go to school when you have to handle supernatural bullshit.



So basically Percy Jackson's shield watch thing.


Shouldnt really matter. Our opponent is our father in a practice ring.
Possibly the safest opponent for Molly to fight.


Yes, of course.
University of Chicago is a Top 10 university and has its main campus right there in Chicago. I cannot think of a reason why Molly would not take advantage of the school, its connections and its resources. Including its library and its faculty.

And its not like she has to be a fulltime student, or that tuition fees are going to be an issue.

Just take as many or as few courses as she feels she can handle per semester, and defer when necessary. Doesnt matter if it takes her half a decade to graduate with a bachelors; she's in it for the knowledge and connections, not to qualify her to make a living.
As long as she's not doing something with a practical load, like medicine or engineering, she can handle the course work.

Even practical classes are doable as soon as she buys Splintered Gale Incarnation for 20XP and spawns a clone to got to class. Sync up memories every few days.

Frankly she'd benefit from a major in something like political science or international relations.
Something that translates to insight into the political dynamics of nations, which would translate to insight in understanding and predicting the dynamics of supernatural factions and how they impact realworld nations.



No, by all indications Ethniu was a patsy as well to Nemesis/the Black Council.
Not to mention that you should expect the world will react to our presence as well, especially after we get done shanking the Red Court. You cannot assume the Fomor will be as dumbshit or as arrogant as they were in canon.

A lot of their acting up came from the perceived weakness of the rest of the supernatural world after the end of the Vampire War.
Their encroachment on Chicago and much of the coastal US was in part because Dresden was believed dead, and when he came back Mab spent much of her time nursing him back to health, ignoring the rest of the world.

And in the meantime Nemesis had tainted Maeve the Winter Lady, weakening Winter.

If they thought the Winter Knight, the dude who had murdered genocided the Red Court in their place of power, was alive and active, most of the post-Changes events leading up to Peace Talks and Battlegrounds would not have happened.
If that perceived weakness does not exist, they will be significantly more circumspect.

If there is a Demon Empress-in-waiting with a godslaying sword and ancient Sorcery in Chicago doing the next best thing to a Superman impression, your Titan and the people pulling her strings are likely to pursue other strategies than YOLOing into the city in a headon assault after dropping a challenge to every signatory of the Accords.

Because thats a quick way, not to imprisonment, but to Final Death and getting rendered down for magical reagents without achieving anything.
They'd likely go for another setting as important as Chicago is its more that a lot of projection power from certain factions go into it than it's completely unique or special. A lot of shits gone down in Chicago because dresden lives there, cause some people have smuggled stuff in there like powerful artifacts, because the fae courts can project power in many places, and because it meets requirements that some places don't. Sure dresden lives there a lot of shit has teleportarion (nevernever) though new York or Belgium or some other place are just as viable for a lot of stuff.
 
Ethniu would still head for Chicago so long as Queen Mab was in Chicago, and Queen Mab was in Chicago because Dresden was her Knight, and Dresden was her Knight because he's Starborn. Ethniu walked into a meeting with Odin and Ferrovax and spit in their faces after she blasted Mab through several walls and one-shot her like a chump. She risked Demonreach without a care.

Maybe an Infernal Exalt should scare Ethniu, but I guarantee it won't. If Mab is there, Ethniu will be there. She hates Mab.
 
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Ethniu would still head for Chicago so long as Queen Mab was in Chicago, and Queen Mab was in Chicago because Dresden was her Knight, and Dresden was her Knight because he's Starborn. Ethniu walked into a meeting with Odin and Ferrovax and spit in their faces after she blasted Mab through several walls and one-shot her like a chump. She risked Demonreach without a care.

Maybe an Infernal Exalt should scare Ethniu, but I guarantee it won't. If Mab is there, Ethniu will be there. She hates Mab.
Like I said fae are everywhere Chicago's not special in that way.
 
Like I said fae are everywhere Chicago's not special in that way.
...Um, Chicago IS special in the canon setting? Butcher notes that the city is 'a metaphysical crossroads' with 'dozens of leylines running through or coalescing inside the town or nearby', though part of that may be Demonreach.

Heck, even in real life it usually makes the top ten list for Global Cities. It's not London, Tokyo, or New York City but it's the third largest city in the United States and a surprisingly big deal in terms of international trade.

Harry tends to describe Chicago as 'his town' and give local anecdotes like a typical P.I., but it's in sort of the same way Spiderman talks about New York City sometimes. There are other places Mab could be sure, but it's not just Harry that attracts magic, and if Mab intends to hold a big meeting of the Accords that Ethniu wants to crash to destroy Mab AND her life's work publicly, chances are actually pretty good that Mab would hold the meeting in Chicago.
 
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[X] Head on
-[X] This is the time to, unironically put your trust in god. Right now you're training as safe as you can get with live blades, and this sword you face is a manifestation of god's will. Don't go all out, but let your soul shine as you fight and perhaps against this blade and this person you'll learn something important. That's ultimately what you're about isn't it?
 
...Um, Chicago IS special in the canon setting? Butcher notes that the city is 'a metaphysical crossroads' with 'dozens of leylines running through or coalescing inside the town or nearby', though part of that may be Demonreach.

Heck, even in real life it usually makes the top ten list for Global Cities. It's not London, Tokyo, or New York City but it's the third largest city in the United States and a surprisingly big deal in terms of international trade.

Harry tends to describe Chicago as 'his town' and give local anecdotes like a typical P.I., but it's in sort of the same way Spiderman talks about New York City sometimes. There are other places Mab could be sure, but it's not just Harry that attracts magic, and if Mab intends to hold a big meeting of the Accords that Ethniu wants to crash to destroy Mab AND her life's work publicly, chances are actually pretty good that Mab would hold the meeting in Chicago.
never said it was just harry just that chicago is not unique per say many of the big things in dresden files don't permanently live in chicago and hardly any of them are just there. it has a lot of power blocks in it not many of said blocks are JUST in chicago though and a lot of stuff is not strictly unique. also I said in that way chicago isn't the one place fae are around their around in a lot of places.
 
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Ethniu would still head for Chicago so long as Queen Mab was in Chicago, and Queen Mab was in Chicago because Dresden was her Knight, and Dresden was her Knight because he's Starborn. Ethniu walked into a meeting with Odin and Ferrovax and spit in their faces after she blasted Mab through several walls and one-shot her like a chump. She risked Demonreach without a care.

Maybe an Infernal Exalt should scare Ethniu, but I guarantee it won't. If Mab is there, Ethniu will be there. She hates Mab.
Going to note that she hates Mab, but she didnt attack Arctis Tor.
The woman knew damn well where her limits lay; she chose somewhere Mab couldnt afford to bring her full power to bear.
Her threat assessment works just fine.

I am reasonably sure that an extant Infernal Exalt will scare Ethniu. Just like discovering Mouse scared Nicodemus.
Whether or not it prevents her coming after Chicago, it will materially affect her plans and planning.
Like I said fae are everywhere Chicago's not special in that way.
No, Chicago's special. Its a major crossroads with coastal access and proximity to the biggest freshwater lakes in the world.
Demonreach is off its coast for a reason. The Kemmlerites came there for the Darkhallow for a reason. The Summer-Winter War in Summer Knight was fought in the skies over Chicago for a reason.

There's only a handful of places like Chicago. Places like Edinburgh and Chitchen Itza.
Most of them are held firmly by other factions.
Chi-town is more or less open.
never said it was just harry just that chicago is not unique per say many of the big things in dresden files don't permanently live in chicago and hardly any of them are just there. it has a lot of power blocks in it not many of said blocks are JUST in chicago though and a lot of stuff is not strictly unique. also I said in that way chicago isn't the one place fae are around their around in a lot of places.
Yes it is.
I would suggest reading the sourcebooks for the Dresden Files RPG. Or even just reading between the lines of the novels.

The old Summer Knight was based in Chicago before his death. The new Summer Knight Fix used to live there, and still might. Summer Lady Aurora used to live on the shores of Lake Michigan. Summer Lady Lily was a Chicago native. Winter Knight Dresden has lived in the city for more than a decade and half.

Chicago is Important to the fae courts, all the fae courts, in a way not many places are.
Mab and Titania dont make semi-regular appearances in other places.
 
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Going to note that she hates Mab, but she didnt attack Arctis Tor.
The woman knew damn well where her limits lay; she chose somewhere Mab couldnt afford to bring her full power to bear.
Her threat assessment works just fine.

I am reasonably sure that an extant Infernal Exalt will scare Ethniu. Just like discovering Mouse scared Nicodemus.
Whether or not it prevents her coming after Chicago, it will materially affect her plans and planning.

No, Chicago's special. Its a major crossroads with coastal access and proximity to the biggest freshwater lakes in the world.
Demonreach is off its coast for a reason. The Kemmlerites came there for the Darkhallow for a reason. The Summer-Winter War in Summer Knight was fought in the skies over Chicago for a reason.

There's only a handful of places like Chicago. Places like Edinburgh and Chitchen Itza.
Most of them are held firmly by other factions.
Chi-town is more or less open.

Yes it is.
I would suggest reading the sourcebooks for the Dresden Files RPG. Or even just reading between the lines of the novels.

The old Summer Knight was based in Chicago before his death. The new Summer Knight Fix used to live there, and still might. Summer Lady Aurora used to live on the shores of Lake Michigan. Summer Lady Lily was a Chicago native. Winter Knight Dresden has lived in the city for more than a decade and half.

Chicago is Important to the fae courts, all the fae courts, in a way not many places are.
Mab and Titania dont make semi-regular appearances in other places.
fae as a whole I should say are in many places and yes chicago is special to a degree its not the center of the world though and shit happens elsewhere and many of dresdens fights aren't even technically in chicago but in different places. As far as power bases none of the bigger factions are 100% dependent on chicago many aren't even all that reliant on it.

Now for the darkhallow word of jim the ritual can actually be pulled off literally anywhere just needs the base requirement of sacrifices chicago was a convenient (and packed ergo more powerful for the ritualist than most places) enough place. also requires it to be Halloween to do it at least partially cause the boundaries and rules of immortality are more malleable during Halloween.
 
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Canonically the masquerades gonna break in quest not so much. There will be no blending in.
How do we, and humanity at large, benefit from the masquerade long-term? Why should we strenuously uphold the masquerade? Long-term that is.
Yes, of course.
University of Chicago is a Top 10 university and has its main campus right there in Chicago. I cannot think of a reason why Molly would not take advantage of the school, its connections and its resources. Including its library and its faculty.

And its not like she has to be a fulltime student, or that tuition fees are going to be an issue.

Just take as many or as few courses as she feels she can handle per semester, and defer when necessary. Doesnt matter if it takes her half a decade to graduate with a bachelors; she's in it for the knowledge and connections, not to qualify her to make a living.
As long as she's not doing something with a practical load, like medicine or engineering, she can handle the course work.

Even practical classes are doable as soon as she buys Splintered Gale Incarnation for 20XP and spawns a clone to got to class. Sync up memories every few days.

Frankly she'd benefit from a major in something like political science or international relations.
Something that translates to insight into the political dynamics of nations, which would translate to insight in understanding and predicting the dynamics of supernatural factions and how they impact realworld nations.

University of Chicago has the benefit of being close to home. Some other university, like MIT, Harvard, or, hell, Oxford, would have the benefit of being away from Chicago. If (when) we get Splintered Gale Incarnation and are capable of sending a clone to classes, that could serve as a way to obfuscate our real location. If spies of various factions know that "we" are attending classes in Britain, then they will report as such, providing us an opportunity to operate with surprise in other locations. Now, this would work only a limited amount of times before "she can be in two places at once" becomes known, but it's still an advantage.

As to what education to pursue... I am torn a bit. Political science, international relationships work in principle, but a lot of what they teach would focus on humanity's politics specifically and would be unapplicable to dealing with the fae, denarians and other non-humans. In fact, it could give us a disadvantage, where we would expect them to behave one way, based on what we were taught, and they would behave differently due to different basic logic. Now, recruiting some political scientists, diplomats and such, reading them into the magical reality and tasking them with developing political science theories pertaining to magical world might be a very worthwhile idea. It would require money, of course, and general ability to give these people correct information.

As an alternative, we could probably study math (specifically game theory), as it should be universal for everything barring outsiders. We could go with Tony Stark route and major in engineering and either business management or economics as the secondary education. This could probably save us some XP on craft skills, which is a big plus. We know that mundane weapons are very relevant in almost all magical conflicts, so setting up a tech corporation capable of mass producing advanced weapons is a route to power.

As you mention, medicine is actually an interesting possiblity. Infernals don't get healing charms from what I was able to check. So, this is one area where we could actually honestly benefit from education that will have a practical impact on survivability of our loved ones.
 
How do we, and humanity at large, benefit from the masquerade long-term? Why should we strenuously uphold the masquerade? Long-term that is.

University of Chicago has the benefit of being close to home. Some other university, like MIT, Harvard, or, hell, Oxford, would have the benefit of being away from Chicago. If (when) we get Splintered Gale Incarnation and are capable of sending a clone to classes, that could serve as a way to obfuscate our real location. If spies of various factions know that "we" are attending classes in Britain, then they will report as such, providing us an opportunity to operate with surprise in other locations. Now, this would work only a limited amount of times before "she can be in two places at once" becomes known, but it's still an advantage.

As to what education to pursue... I am torn a bit. Political science, international relationships work in principle, but a lot of what they teach would focus on humanity's politics specifically and would be unapplicable to dealing with the fae, denarians and other non-humans. In fact, it could give us a disadvantage, where we would expect them to behave one way, based on what we were taught, and they would behave differently due to different basic logic. Now, recruiting some political scientists, diplomats and such, reading them into the magical reality and tasking them with developing political science theories pertaining to magical world might be a very worthwhile idea. It would require money, of course, and general ability to give these people correct information.

As an alternative, we could probably study math (specifically game theory), as it should be universal for everything barring outsiders. We could go with Tony Stark route and major in engineering and either business management or economics as the secondary education. This could probably save us some XP on craft skills, which is a big plus. We know that mundane weapons are very relevant in almost all magical conflicts, so setting up a tech corporation capable of mass producing advanced weapons is a route to power.

As you mention, medicine is actually an interesting possiblity. Infernals don't get healing charms from what I was able to check. So, this is one area where we could actually honestly benefit from education that will have a practical impact on survivability of our loved ones.
Us? Well almost not at all its an inconvenience for us most of the time. Uhhh societally it could cause full societal collapse potentially and war a lot of war so that'd be a bummer and some friends would likely be scared of us and some people we don't want to fight at all might want to kill us.

Also medicine honestly not that useful since what we would learn is still mundane stuff which you know doesn't cure shit like a sliced off foot, or any mid-combat application, or magic plagues. We're also never no matter what not gonna be good at everything so best have you know actual support to do certain shit in our stead instead like healing. Also the chances of us getting through a single in game year in a real year even that is iffy making it to college seems unlikely especially when money wise we could work better, contacts we can get just walking around chicago or supernatural contacts via talking to the many we will know, its also I guarantee fuck us over sometimes when we're busy trying to deal with something. Also lets be honest a couple million words and aswah got through what three years was it even that much time? I don't want to spend updates around a mundane college for the most part if your interested in mundane contacts of just about any type we have a super crown that can answer us questions we are spoiled for ways to find those we want and introduce ourselves.
 
Our best bet for healing would propably be to try and recreate some Malfeas-demons in our personal Hell.
Could be justified with ancient memories?

Like, a Sesselja or Neomah would be inherently more useful for that than mundane medicine can be.
 
Or, depending on how the QM wants to handle custom charms, we could try to research a healing charm? At the very least, if we do ever decide to research custom homebrew charms for any reason, healing ones are near the top of the list.
 
There's an Ink-Monkey Charm for Infernal Healing, we might adapt that to ExWoD:

Wound-Drowning Metamorphosis


Cost: 20m, 1wp; Mins: Essence 3; Type: Simple
Keywords: Desecration, Shaping, Touch
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Sea Dissolves Herself


The Infernal washes away the wounds of suppliants in the ocean of her benevolence, bidding them rise in new flesh. The tainted mutants and monstrous prodigies born from her mercy are found in the retinues of well-heeled Infernals, serving loyally for fear that the warlock's generosity might be reversed. Touching a willing character, the Infernal rolls (Wits + Medicine) to heal them, adding (Compassion) bonus dice if she is targeting a beloved character or herself. Every success can heal a level of bashing or lethal damage or convert a level of aggravated damage to lethal, dissolving the beneficiaries wounds before solidifying their flesh in a new, altered form. Every level of damage healed or downgraded inflicts one point of aquatic-themed mutations chosen by the Infernal on the patient, up to a maximum of (Essence + Medicine) points of mutation from one application. The warlock cannot choose to grant less than the maximum amount of mutations (even to herself), unless her target still retains this amount of mutations from a prior use of this Charm. Once a character has been subjected to this flesh-warping Desecration, they must receive a full night's rest before they can be healed by it any further.


Those whom the Infernal have healed live at her mercy, and should be mindful of this fact lest they incur her spurned wrath. She may reflexively pay a point of Willpower to withdraw her healing from any recipient of this Charm she can see, removing all mutations granted by this Charm and inflicting a level of lethal damage for each point of mutation removed. A character who is killed by this reversion dissolves into an organic sludge, unable to regain any semblance of solid form.


The Willpower cost of using this Charm to heal a character or to withdraw mutations from a previously healed character is waived if they are submerged in water.
Obvious issue might be the Mutations, but better squid than dead.
 
Us? Well almost not at all its an inconvenience for us most of the time. Uhhh societally it could cause full societal collapse potentially and war a lot of war so that'd be a bummer and some friends would likely be scared of us and some people we don't want to fight at all might want to kill us.
"It inconveniences us only a little bit" is a lot different from "it benefits us". We are in active, total hot war with a lot of factions (denarians, outsiders at the very least, possibly winter fae too). If the status quo benefits them more than us, then the status quo should be changed.

Large scale I would assume that societal collapse and drama will depend on how the reveal happens. If it's "hordes of fomorians flood the streets slaughtering the innocent", then it would be bad. However, it is not the only scenario. For example, and something that I favor, development of motonic science would likely not be noticed by most factions until it is too late, and would be a way to unite mundane and magical societies into one in a benign way. Because motonic science is science. And it is the thing that can, as the endpoint, create something like Stellar Intelligences and exaltation-like power ups.

Also the chances of us getting through a single in game year in a real year even that is iffy making it to college seems unlikely especially when money wise we could work better, contacts we can get just walking around chicago or supernatural contacts via talking to the many we will know, its also I guarantee fuck us over sometimes when we're busy trying to deal with something. Also lets be honest a couple million words and aswah got through what three years was it even that much time? I don't want to spend updates around a mundane college for the most part if your interested in mundane contacts of just about any type we have a super crown that can answer us questions we are spoiled for ways to find those we want and introduce ourselves.
This is a matter of pacing. It's absolutely possible to have timeline move a year or more in a reasonable amount of words. And we will be moving onto month-long turns soon, indicating that the author wants to keep the timeline moving:
OOC: After this week we will be moving on to one month turns and also we will be spending XP for the arc.
 
How do we, and humanity at large, benefit from the masquerade long-term? Why should we strenuously uphold the masquerade? Long-term that is.

University of Chicago has the benefit of being close to home. Some other university, like MIT, Harvard, or, hell, Oxford, would have the benefit of being away from Chicago. If (when) we get Splintered Gale Incarnation and are capable of sending a clone to classes, that could serve as a way to obfuscate our real location. If spies of various factions know that "we" are attending classes in Britain, then they will report as such, providing us an opportunity to operate with surprise in other locations. Now, this would work only a limited amount of times before "she can be in two places at once" becomes known, but it's still an advantage.

As to what education to pursue... I am torn a bit. Political science, international relationships work in principle, but a lot of what they teach would focus on humanity's politics specifically and would be unapplicable to dealing with the fae, denarians and other non-humans. In fact, it could give us a disadvantage, where we would expect them to behave one way, based on what we were taught, and they would behave differently due to different basic logic. Now, recruiting some political scientists, diplomats and such, reading them into the magical reality and tasking them with developing political science theories pertaining to magical world might be a very worthwhile idea. It would require money, of course, and general ability to give these people correct information.

As an alternative, we could probably study math (specifically game theory), as it should be universal for everything barring outsiders. We could go with Tony Stark route and major in engineering and either business management or economics as the secondary education. This could probably save us some XP on craft skills, which is a big plus. We know that mundane weapons are very relevant in almost all magical conflicts, so setting up a tech corporation capable of mass producing advanced weapons is a route to power.

As you mention, medicine is actually an interesting possiblity. Infernals don't get healing charms from what I was able to check. So, this is one area where we could actually honestly benefit from education that will have a practical impact on survivability of our loved ones.
1) I dont really agree. Most of the time we wont benefit from such obfuscation, and its a stratagem we can only employ once anyway before other people will know to take it into account. On the rare occasions we really want to obfuscate our presence, Disguise of the New Face is a Sorcery spell we can apply to other people to fake our presence if we so chose.

We need to learn, not just to acquire the cachet of having gone to Yale/Harvard/Oxford, and the effort to get into those other schools as a non-local is nontrivial. The juice is not worth the squeeze.

And that doesnt count that UC is a very big deal in its own right in the US university system, with top 3 rankings in law and business, the 9th largest library among US universities, the University of Chicago Medical Center, and administration of multiple national research labs, including Fermilab and Argonne National Laboratory

It will comfortably fill our needs without us having to figure the logistics of attending another school in another city away from family and all the action.


2)Pretty much every major supernatural faction is based on human society, human customs and human politics and is either of human ancestry or directly draws power from human society and economics.

Mab and Titania were human, as are a lot of Sidhe; you can draw a direct correlation to why a lot of the practices enshrined in the Unseelie Accords are formalizations of human diplomatic practices from a thousand years ago. A large proportion of the fae have parthuman ancestry.

All the Vampire Courts used to be human, live in human society, farm human society for victims and manipulate human society to stay hidden. The ghoul clans speak Etruscan, an old Italian language.

The White Council are rooted in human society; they use Latin as their formal language due to their history from Roman times. They wield enormous economic power due to years of investment in human economies. Even now, a major front of their war with the Reds is using that economic power to target and destroy Red Court holdings and influence in the real world.

Dont let all the trash talk by various supernaturals about the kine fool you.
Besides a few small players like the Dragons, its all based on mortal human politics, with some semblance of human ethics.
So direct studies of international relations, with some study of human history and folklore, has direct applicability.

Basically, power is power. No matter what you look like.


3)No, we dont need a math nor an engineering degree.
We're not magic Tony Stark, we're magic Superman from a long dead civilization with a base of Kryptonian technology reality hacks that are not of common applicability.

And while I think we need some medicine, we dont actually need to be a doctor or formal certification, just to be good enough to stabilize people so they dont die from trauma, and to recognize when something is wrong that needs fixing. Everything else?
Thats why we have charms, Ancient Sorcery, modern sorcery and the ability to make magic robots.

We're the Demon Empress of the 1001st Hell.
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How do we, and humanity at large,
Our interests and humanity at large's interests aren't necessarily the same. The masquerade does cause us some issues, but it also has benefits.

One being that we can flout mortal law as we please because they don't even know the tools we'd use to do so exist. No one is going to ask us for our demon summoning permit or where we got that suspicious jar of vampire hearts so long as the mortal government doesn't openly know about the supernatural.

The other aspect is that no matter how the masquerade is broken there will be literal witch hunts and lynchings, which we stand a good chance of being subject to. I don't think a crowd of mortals could kill a mid essence infernal unless the exalt let them, but we'd still need to deal with it and the social complications related to being an obvious scary monster when people stop ignoring our tells.

Coin flip on whether we have to save Dresden from one or if the fact that he's been listed as a wizard for something like a decade at this point means he'd be rolling in cash.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see the governments of the world to react in some inconvenient ways if they don't collapse.

Here in the US I imagine the military industrial complex would pick up a billions in new weapons contracts, resulting in new weapons getting pushed into production to try leveling the playing field against creatures like Molly. I'd rather not eat a drone strike or something if we can avoid it.

More than that, I'd bet there'll be a number of "fuck you" laws passed against supernatural interference in business and politics unless the throughly compromised block them. It'd suck if any companies we run at that point have their accounts frozen because we're under suspicion of using magic to unfairly compete with mortals.

Maybe breaking the masquerade ourselves is the right thing to do, but the potential consequences are significant enough that it's worth acknowledging them.
 
Maybe breaking the masquerade ourselves is the right thing to do, but the potential consequences are significant enough that it's worth acknowledging them.
If there was a masquerade break and we were also personally outed, the only good way forward in my opinion is buying the Kakuri 5 dot disguise Charm and disappearing somewhere or taking over an identity.
 
The other aspect is that no matter how the masquerade is broken there will be literal witch hunts and lynchings, which we stand a good chance of being subject to. I don't think a crowd of mortals could kill a mid essence infernal unless the exalt let them, but we'd still need to deal with it and the social complications related to being an obvious scary monster when people stop ignoring our tells.
Yeah, its worth noting that not even the clued-in parts of the Catholic Church or the Denarians, mortal enemies whose powers and influence are largely independent of the Masquerade, seem to think that engineering a masquerade breach is a good idea.
When mortal enemies agree, there's probably good reason for it.

Maybe breaking the masquerade ourselves is the right thing to do, but the potential consequences are significant enough that it's worth acknowledging them
Also worth noting that the extent of the Masquerade varies by region. Its strongest in the West and in urban areas.
In a lot of rural areas it can get pretty thin. There are places in-setting in Florida where the local sheriff is a changeling and the closest thing to a mayor is a weregator, and its something everyone in the community knows.

In Latin America the Masquerade is close to threadbare in large swathes of the continent, and people believe more readily.
Before McCoy happened to him, Paolo Ortega had his Casaverde estate right next to a Honduran village he openly farmed for blood.
And Chichen Itza had a military/paramilitary unit sized between a company and a battalion openly providing security for the Red Court.
 
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