Does it really matter all exalted charms use, are explicitly outside fate. Even if the exalted isn't.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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In ExWoD the Loom is broken and fate is screwed, the Sidereals are not so much making use of the mechanisms of fate as doing emergency repairs to the concept that has been running with nothing but Weaver Spirits (oddly enough spiders) for four turnings of the age.
I wonder whats running Fate then. Since the Loom of Fate and Fate isnt just destiny but actual physics and causality.
Also, it would protect us from divination and time seeing I think, if we are Outside Fate, which is still good.
The only non Fate divination I remember is if Sachaverell woke up, but thats also kind of Fate-like, because it sounds like Samsara which is also a Maidens thing.
Edit: I guess stuff like Prophet of Seventeen Cycles and God-King Shrike from 3e is prophecy that just runs on Solar Excellence, but no 3e Infernals or stuff like that and I think exWoD is based on 2e.
Edit 2: Wait, Fate is running only on Pattern Spiders for 4 Ages? Thats pretty scary to think about.
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[X] Yes, Michael takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
The Weaver is running fate, the Weaver being like the unacknowledged patron saint of the Technocracy trying to make everything run by the Rules (TM) though she has limited success since there are all sort of magical powers that violently oppose the rules and do not eat Paradox from vampires to shape-changers to mummies.
Fate does not appear to be an insane giga-pattern spider in his world hence why I could go off on this without spoilers.
Its probably Angels here. If we go by usual angel stuff.
I wouldn't take it as fact until we see it, or we get lore but it seems to fit.
Or Dragons. Those were also a thing.
I wouldn't take it as fact until we see it, or we get lore but it seems to fit.
Even maps to some of the Bureaus.
Or Dragons. Those were also a thing.
@DragonParadox do we have to give a yes/no answer on this, or can we negotiate a little?
I'd rather not break faith with the white god and stuff could come up.
A clause to the effect of avoiding peeking just because we can, and heeding warnings to leave well enough alone when we get them, but that if we see something in his ineffable plan that we can't take on faith that we reserve the right to Ask if his warning doesn't provide some sort of explanation.
Pretty sure that's the literal definition of hubris, but it gives us a well defined out if we see something screwy we need an answer on one way or the other.
For crazy edge case scenarios like the white god seeming to deliberately lowering global essence levels.
I mean Molly may have been raised Catholic and to have respect for the white god, but that clearly isn't absolute. She started playing with magic well before she had confirmation it wasn't a sin, and generally chose to trust her own power over that of the knights of the cross when she was left alone in Chicago.
A lot of her perception of reality has shifted lately, so reserving the right to double check seems like something she could try to do. Especially since the surface level of the supernatural world makes very little sense in the context she'd have been given at church.
I'd rather not break faith with the white god and stuff could come up.
A clause to the effect of avoiding peeking just because we can, and heeding warnings to leave well enough alone when we get them, but that if we see something in his ineffable plan that we can't take on faith that we reserve the right to Ask if his warning doesn't provide some sort of explanation.
Pretty sure that's the literal definition of hubris, but it gives us a well defined out if we see something screwy we need an answer on one way or the other.
For crazy edge case scenarios like the white god seeming to deliberately lowering global essence levels.
I mean Molly may have been raised Catholic and to have respect for the white god, but that clearly isn't absolute. She started playing with magic well before she had confirmation it wasn't a sin, and generally chose to trust her own power over that of the knights of the cross when she was left alone in Chicago.
A lot of her perception of reality has shifted lately, so reserving the right to double check seems like something she could try to do. Especially since the surface level of the supernatural world makes very little sense in the context she'd have been given at church.
Yeah that seemed pretty clear cut to me. We do God a solid by not peaking under the hood and he ensures Molly gets protected in her most vulnerable time by a Knight of the Cross and gets some precious time with her father. That Michael is going to be training us is just a bonus really.Well Michael is is going to have to spend some time being your mentor on the clock if you take it, time that he a Knight of the Cross is not using to do anything else to directly counter the Adversary. Of course you could more than compensate what with being a nuclear powered demigod, but you know that's on Molly, she has free will.
If thats true, theres a Primordial War 2.0, Infernal edition coming...
Michael does not have any authority to negotiate here he is just the messenger's messenger as it were so the best you can do right now if you want another offer is say no and specify that you would like a better offer.
The Catholic faith disavows magic, mostly on the basis that its not real. As in they have actually tested that stuff and none of it works.
One of the problems with a masquerade setting really, the church would not be against actual magic, as it would just be another part of the divine to them. If anything the Catholics would in a setting with actual magic, be some of its strongest practitioners.
I don't know about catholic doctrine specifically, but Eastern Orthodox Church would be all over it, and the Dresden model of magic being the stuff of creation already fits into their theosis models imo.
Do keep in mind that Michael, the actual real life paladin was running around town with a wizard and the priest who knows the most about him Father Forthill was also fine with giving sanctuary to various kinds of magicians numerous times (and that is not mentioning his Eye of Toth tattoo that he got when he killed a vampire as a young man together with some buddies from the seminary). The person who was arguing that magic is wrong the most in Molly's life is Charity, which as she discovered had her own reasons. How much the Church at large knows and what it does with that knowledge you do not know IC.
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[X] Yes, Micheal takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
What's scarier than a Demon Empress? One who has the backing of Heaven. Let's not give that up.
What's scarier than a Demon Empress? One who has the backing of Heaven. Let's not give that up.
This occurred to me earlier. Could Oramus have somehow become (inverted into?) the Outer Gates/Outside in the same sense that Malfeas seems to have degenerated into the realm and creatures of Lanka?
I guess its possible it but it would just be weird, I guess?
He was bound in his own wings because nothing could bind him but himself, so what could cause him to circle all existence until he becomes a natural border to Beyond?
I guess a possibility is that someone (Titan or Exalt) broke him into that shape.
Vaalintine
Wild Wondorous Wolfalope
[X] Yes, Michael takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
Question in this system what attribute+skill is gambling ability. Feels like intelligence+Empathy Or Intelligence+Subterfuge but not sure.
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Of course?
Uriel doesn't force people, ever. He is an angel, he asks and gives one a choice.
The only thing that implies is that Uriel Respects molly's free will, which is a duh! Thing. That's what he is all about
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Depends, if you are trying to play say poker fair it's wits+empathy, if you are trying to cheat at the same game it's wits+larcery. If you are trying to cheat at dice it's dex+larceny. Dice played fair is just random chance and you cannot impact it with skills.
Esoteric Christianity and the use of theurgy are not new concepts, there's not a huge leap between prayer, especially ritualistic prayer and what we traditionally consider 'magic'.
Heck, communion is a ritual that transforms bread and wine into the flesh and blood of Christ.
The issues are with seeking powers not of God, there's that whole thing of the Church initially prosecuting those who accused others of being a witch because that meant you thought witches were real and had power, or were cynically attacking someone else.
Esoteric ritualism is more a matter of denomination and debate rather than a thing to be totally denounced.
Heck, communion is a ritual that transforms bread and wine into the flesh and blood of Christ.
The issues are with seeking powers not of God, there's that whole thing of the Church initially prosecuting those who accused others of being a witch because that meant you thought witches were real and had power, or were cynically attacking someone else.
Esoteric ritualism is more a matter of denomination and debate rather than a thing to be totally denounced.
Who needs to cheat when your exalted, using the excellency Molly Rolls Wits+Empathy at 12 dice. In a favored skill, to prevent 1's subtracting. I think we have found our money maker. Head to a poker tables, and clean up. Should not take long before Molly is getting invites to the high stakes games. Maybe enter a few tournaments.
Well you are underage so you cannot legally gamble even assuming you would find a legal gambling establishment in Chicago so to Gentleman Johnny's establishments you go if you want that. Also you need enough money for a buy in. Molly does not know how much that is because the workings of illegal casinos were not part of her education.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Become exalted. Inherit vast infernal lore. Become heir to the broken and forgotten creators of the world. Slay alien eldritch beings.
Too young to gamble.
Yup, sounds about right.
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That sounds like our biggest mistake today was not checking if the vamps we killed had money or watches on them.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Would not have gone over well with the company at the time.
Remember we still had to convince that guy that we were sane and showing Murderhobo tendencies would not have gone over well.